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I am cannot believe these grades. The 81/82 were hand picked out of 150 factory sets. the 83 football are directly out of wax and all were so sharp and centered....I expected 9's at the low end on all. I cannot and will not ever send another card to PSA. Do you have do be a big dealer sending thousands of cards to get 10's....or in this case freakin 9's??? IS it possible i just got a grader having a bad day or something? Anyway i have sent 150+ cards to PSA and have exactly zero 10's come back. Now i collect mostly early 80's on back so i know that is tough but come on....I have sent in some BLAZERS and it comes back a freakin 8 or 9 everytime. Or since these were $5 submissions does that hurt you?? I always send in bulk lots to keep costs down. MAybe if i was paying $15 a card i would get some 10's!! Anyway....once i get these back i will scan some of these....this grader was skin crack when he graded the 81/82's especially....Anyone have any ideas other than to switch the BGS?
PSA Order Status for Submission # 4404652
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 06408790 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 8
1 06408791 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 8
1 06408792 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 9
1 06408793 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 9
2 06408794 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
2 06408795 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
2 06408796 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
2 06408797 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 9
2 06408798 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
3 06408799 1981 TOPPS 69 REGGIE THEUS MID-WEST 8
3 06408800 1981 TOPPS 69 REGGIE THEUS MID-WEST 7
3 06408801 1981 TOPPS 69 REGGIE THEUS MID-WEST 8
4 06408802 1981 TOPPS 71 MIKE BRATZ MID-WEST 8
4 06408803 1981 TOPPS 71 MIKE BRATZ MID-WEST 8
5 06408804 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
5 06408805 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 9
5 06408806 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
5 06408807 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
5 06408808 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
6 06408809 1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8OC
7 06408810 1984 TOPPS 280 ERIC DICKERSON N/A 8
8 06408811 1983 TOPPS 46 TONY DORSETT N/A 6
9 06408812 1983 TOPPS 38 MIKE SINGLETARY N/A 7
9 06408813 1983 TOPPS 38 MIKE SINGLETARY N/A 7
10 06408814 1983 TOPPS 294 MARCUS ALLEN N/A 9
11 06408815 1983 TOPPS 28 BEARS TEAM LEADERS WALTER PAYTON 9
12 06408816 1983 TOPPS 293 RAIDERS TEAM LDRS. MARCUS ALLEN 8
Date Received: 07/06/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 07/31/2006
Date Shipped: 07/31/2006
PSA Order Status for Submission # 4404652
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 06408790 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 8
1 06408791 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 8
1 06408792 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 9
1 06408793 1981 TOPPS 67 DAVID GREENWOOD MID-WEST 9
2 06408794 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
2 06408795 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
2 06408796 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
2 06408797 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 9
2 06408798 1981 TOPPS 68 DWIGHT JONES MID-WEST 8
3 06408799 1981 TOPPS 69 REGGIE THEUS MID-WEST 8
3 06408800 1981 TOPPS 69 REGGIE THEUS MID-WEST 7
3 06408801 1981 TOPPS 69 REGGIE THEUS MID-WEST 8
4 06408802 1981 TOPPS 71 MIKE BRATZ MID-WEST 8
4 06408803 1981 TOPPS 71 MIKE BRATZ MID-WEST 8
5 06408804 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
5 06408805 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 9
5 06408806 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
5 06408807 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
5 06408808 1981 TOPPS 72 KENNY CARR MID-WEST 8
6 06408809 1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8OC
7 06408810 1984 TOPPS 280 ERIC DICKERSON N/A 8
8 06408811 1983 TOPPS 46 TONY DORSETT N/A 6
9 06408812 1983 TOPPS 38 MIKE SINGLETARY N/A 7
9 06408813 1983 TOPPS 38 MIKE SINGLETARY N/A 7
10 06408814 1983 TOPPS 294 MARCUS ALLEN N/A 9
11 06408815 1983 TOPPS 28 BEARS TEAM LEADERS WALTER PAYTON 9
12 06408816 1983 TOPPS 293 RAIDERS TEAM LDRS. MARCUS ALLEN 8
Date Received: 07/06/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 07/31/2006
Date Shipped: 07/31/2006
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Looking for Topps rookies as well.
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When amateurs grade a card, they're looking at just the card and not the "condition" of the card. You'll find out most amateurs don't pay much attention to the corners, centering, surface, edges or color of the card. Most of the amateurs are distracted by the image of baseball players and such and often times can't determine the condition of the card.
That's not the case with professionals. At PSA, they're trained and certified professionals, who have graded TEN MILLION cards. They have the unique ability to spot defects others cannot. I would suggest that in the future, you take a look at some PSA 10 cards so you can learn what a "10" really is and go from there.
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as far as our brand new poster-zach you don't need to send in thousands of cards to get 10's, just gem mint ones. as mentioned they NORMALLY do not hand out 10's "willy-nilly". if you are sending in cards that are getting oc's you need to do a better job at checking. they can come out factory sets, fresh open pack, vending boxes or about anywhere else in this world and that doesn't mean they are 10's. people speculate daily on old wax-it is like a lotto ticket. fun to do but most of the time you are on the short end $$$$wise.
dbh-great post.
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<< <i>One of the harshest lessons for any new submitter is learning the difference between the professional grading standards of PSA versus those of weekend warrior part-time amateurs.
When amateurs grade a card, they're looking at just the card and not the "condition" of the card. You'll find out most amateurs don't pay much attention to the corners, centering, surface, edges or color of the card. Most of the amateurs are distracted by the image of baseball players and such and often times can't determine the condition of the card.
That's not the case with professionals. At PSA, they're trained and certified professionals, who have graded TEN MILLION cards. They have the unique ability to spot defects others cannot. I would suggest that in the future, you take a look at some PSA 10 cards so you can learn what a "10" really is and go from there.
See you learn something new everyday!!
DOH!!..I would have passed right over that card due to resolution(can't think of the proper term)
Thanks again DBH, I can now go through all the cards I have given to my nephew as I'm sure many now exhibit the qualities needed for a 10.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Paul
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Rich
Collecting Bowman Chrome Phillies Rookie Cards and Mike Schmidt certified auto cards.
<< <i>PSA doesn't hand out 10's willy nilly. Your cards were probably not gem. >>
Oh.. pimpin'! There is an imposter! You still not getting an invitation to the playa's ball.
Play-On...
Welcome to the PSA boards - the "Home of the Big Whopper!"
Or was that Da Big Whopper?
Oh well...... can you tell us something of how you selected the cards?
Did you use any light source to look at the surface - halogen or Ott light? Secondly, did you use a 10X loupe to check out the corners?
When you get them back - how about a scan of a few you think you were robbed on?
In the interim, don't be a stranger, shoes optional.
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mike
John
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Like PSA has never made a mistake before. I know you would drink their bathwater DBH, but they are not infallible.
If that Griffey is an example of a 10 it needs to be regraded. That lower left corner is far from perfect.
I wish those guys would read threads like this and realize PSA doesn't hand out 9's and 10's carefree. If they were so sloppy, 9's and 10's wouldn't be so rare.
I would suggest that in the future, you take a look at some PSA 10 cards so you can learn what a "10" really is and go from there.
Yes, the Griffey is a great example.
Lee
The good news is you can do this in a relatively short amount of time. It's taken me a little less than 2 years to get an 85-90% batting average on submissions.
Stay classy,
Ron
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
I am not a newbie to collecting (since 1978)
But i will take a hint on the printer loupe. As you guys understand when you look at 150 of the same card....you take out 60-80 with print defects. Another 60 to 70 with corner or edge damage or print issues...so when i saw these grades i knew something had to be up.......They were the "mint of the mint" and perfectly centered. But my stupidity in shipping probably did cost me some tens.
I will send in some more shipped better and let you guys know....
As a side note.....are some of you guys emplyees or PSA or something?? LOL.....a few of you take things awful personal!!
You really dont think that a grader could not have a bad day? or that certain large clients dont get an occasional upgrade when a card is "close". I think you would be living in dream world if you don't think those things go on...preferential treatment is given in my business everyday!!
Keep 'em coming!
You really dont think that a grader could not have a bad day? or that certain large clients dont get an occasional upgrade when a card is "close". I think you would be living in dream world if you don't think those things go on...preferential treatment is given in my business everyday!! >>
uh boy!!
<< <i>At least you know if it had 4 razor sharp corners; it's been butchered. >>
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<< <i>Well glad to see I hit a chord on my first post. I got the cards back today. I rescind my earlier comments. I sent all of 81/82 in a hard plastic 50 count box with packing....which was my bad....Every single bottom right corner has a ding that was not on the card when i sent them. Must have been dropped hard in shipping. I was trying not put them in palstic to not hurt the bottom edges of the card. So PSA was justified on the grades. I have 150 midwest sets and only sent in the first 5 cards as a test. SO i will have to do some more "picking"
I am not a newbie to collecting (since 1978)
But i will take a hint on the printer loupe. As you guys understand when you look at 150 of the same card....you take out 60-80 with print defects. Another 60 to 70 with corner or edge damage or print issues...so when i saw these grades i knew something had to be up.......They were the "mint of the mint" and perfectly centered. But my stupidity in shipping probably did cost me some tens.
I will send in some more shipped better and let you guys know....
As a side note.....are some of you guys emplyees or PSA or something?? LOL.....a few of you take things awful personal!!
You really dont think that a grader could not have a bad day? or that certain large clients dont get an occasional upgrade when a card is "close". I think you would be living in dream world if you don't think those things go on...preferential treatment is given in my business everyday!! >>
Are you saying that you did not put the cards in CardSavers or any sort of top loader? Just in a 50 count plastic box? Sure it can be hard to get a card in a penny sleeve into a CardSaver, but it's worth the trouble. Eventually you get the hang of holding the Saver open with one hand and sliding that baby in with no damage, and it doesn't have to hit bottom.
You said it, the packaging did you in.
Better luck next time.
FWIW - follow PSAs packing instructions.
Keith
<< <i>I see DBH is on his knees again to PSA..
Like PSA has never made a mistake before. I know you would drink their bathwater DBH, but they are not infallible.
If that Griffey is an example of a 10 it needs to be regraded. That lower left corner is far from perfect. >>
You seem to know a lot about being on knees..was this something your mother taught you and your friends?
I'm just curious, because every other post you make makes references to knees..or demanding someone give you their ebay account name so you can put them on your blocked bidders list.
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As an Ebay seller I don't have time to play with buyers or other sellers who seem to just look for problems and seem to be the type to cause problems so I want to go ahead and include them on my BBL to prevent those problems. Last time I checked I was well within my legal rights to do so.
Your suggestion in another post that I would use this information to ruin others auctions was just unbased and stupid and when I addressed it in PRIVATE by telling you that I felt you were just cheering an obvious scammer on you came back in here with your tail between your legs telling everyone I threatened you. That is crap those losers at work pull. They are big and bad in groups but alone they are p****ys. If that is a threat to you then you need help buddy. Then you went on to start with the name calling and crap which I never did and you have the balls to tell me I am a keyboard warrior look in the mirror B###ch.
I was one of about 100 sellers who had their original selling accounts on Ebay ruined and that is why I will not give my ID out in a public forum. We call it the July 4th massacre ask on just about any message board on Ebay about it and they will verify the story.
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I was one of about 100 sellers who had their original selling accounts on Ebay ruined and that is why I will not give my ID out in a public forum. We call it the July 4th massacre ask on just about any message board on Ebay about it and they will verify the story. >>
Yet you keep demanding from other posters their Ebay IDs...
How about a post without profanity? or is that too much for your pea-sized brain?
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I guess the old saying the truth hurt is true..
I still want to know how I threatened you??? I guess to little girls what I said would be a threat.
Again dummy if someone wants to give me their ID so I can block them I am going to ask or is that too much for your pea brain to understand. There is no law against that.. Unless your "divine" wisdom just made one up. I know you think you are some kind of freaking god
You can be a man and admit that you were wrong or we can keep going its your choice.
<< <i>I dont cuss in most of my posts on here only when you are involved. YOU are the cause of our problems not me and until you realize that you are just going to have to deal with it.
I guess the old saying the truth hurt is true..
I still want to know how I threatened you??? I guess to little girls what I said would be a threat.
Again dummy if someone wants to give me their ID so I can block them I am going to ask or is that too much for your pea brain to understand. There is no law against that.. Unless your "divine" wisdom just made one up. I know you think you are some kind of freaking god
You can be a man and admit that you were wrong or we can keep going its your choice. >>
Wiz-You're just missing DBH's humor...it took me quite some time to get it as well, but I finally came around. If you don't look at it so literally you will see the true intentions. Some of his later posts have been more obviously facetious...
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<< <i>I dont cuss in most of my posts on here only when you are involved. Do I need to remind you of your first PM back to me?? YOU are the cause of our problems not me and until you realize that you are just going to have to deal with it. I guess the old saying the truth hurt is true..
I still want to know how I threatened you??? I guess to little girls what I said would be a threat.
Again dummy if someone wants to give me their ID so I can block them I am going to ask or is that too much for your pea brain to understand. There is no law against that.. Unless your "divine" wisdom just made one up. I know you think you are some kind of freaking god
You can be a man and admit that you were wrong or we can keep going its your choice. >>
Little girls, getting on your knees..is there anything else you obsess over? damn, give it a rest already! Nobody wants to hear about your problems on a baseball card message board!
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My problem lies with his false assumptions and him saying I threatened him. All I said was if he was not so busy with PSA then he would see that another poster here was a scammer. It has since been proven. Remember the thread that "need not be named."
Somehow he took that as a threat.
I am not giving it a rest until you admit you were wrong.
Nobody wants to hear about your problems on a baseball card message board
Nobody wants to hear from you PERIOD... That why you are all by yourself in that pic.
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So tough guy, I have a question..let's say I don't "admit I was wrong" (because I'm right). What exactly are you going to do about it?
Cry some more?
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Yeah, this guy isn't nuts
At least I got a set..
That's what I thought.
Now be a good little boy and fetch your shine box!
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Now who is threatening who??
Honestly though what am I going to do, but tell the truth about you over a computer. If I were closer we all know you would cower like a little puppy when I come over to stomp a mudhole in your a##.
I sent you my phone number and you don't even have the balls to talk to me that way. Instead you want to put on a show for a group. When you get isolated you become nothing but in a group you are the baddest man that ever walked the planet.
You may get off on bullying others on here, like I have seen you do in so many of your posts. You are not going to do that here with me.
I am through wasting my time with you, you are obviously just a little B***h and you will always be a little B***h in my mind.
<< <i>Whatever we know who the B####h is...
Now who is threatening who??
Honestly though what am I going to do, but tell the truth about you over a computer. If I were closer we all know you would cower like a little puppy when I come over to stomp a mudhole in your a##.
I sent you my phone number and you don't even have the balls to talk to me that way. Instead you want to put on a show for a group. When you get isolated you become nothing but in a group you are the baddest man that ever walked the planet.
You may get off on bullying others on here, like I have seen you do in so many of your posts. You are not going to do that here with me.
I am through wasting my time with you, you are obviously just a little B***h and you will always be a little B***h in my mind. >>
Normally, I wouldn't be scared by a threat of physical bodily harm on a baseball card message board, but since you have a Darth Vader avatar and all, I think I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on tonight.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>One of the harshest lessons for any new submitter is learning the difference between the professional grading standards of PSA versus those of weekend warrior part-time amateurs.
When amateurs grade a card, they're looking at just the card and not the "condition" of the card. You'll find out most amateurs don't pay much attention to the corners, centering, surface, edges or color of the card. Most of the amateurs are distracted by the image of baseball players and such and often times can't determine the condition of the card.
That's not the case with professionals. At PSA, they're trained and certified professionals, who have graded TEN MILLION cards. They have the unique ability to spot defects others cannot. I would suggest that in the future, you take a look at some PSA 10 cards so you can learn what a "10" really is and go from there.
That is not the greatest example. chaz
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