What is GAI 3 comparable to in PSA standards? Pic added

mkg809

What is GAI 3 comparable to in PSA standards?
I am considering purchasing an E93 but I know nothing about GAI grading.

Thanks!

lawnmowerman

Possibly;

N-1 Evidence of Trimming - When a card’s edge has been altered, a card doctor may use scissors, scalpel, cutter, or any other cutting instrument. A trimmed card may show one of the following: Hook up or down, have one razor sharp edge, a difference in toning along the edge, a wavy look.
N-2 Evidence of Restoration - When a card’s paper stock is built up - for example, when ripped corners are built up to look like new corners.
N-3 Evidence of Recoloration - Where a card’s color has been artificially improved.
N-4 Questionable Authenticity - This is the term used when a card is counterfeit.
N-5 Altered Stock - This term is used when the paper stock is altered in one or more of the following ways: Stretching and trimming, recoloring and restoring, trimming and recoloring, restoring an trimming, crease or wrinkle is pressed out, or gloss is enhanced.

Matt

earlycalguy

my experience is that a gai 3 - very good - is generally the same as a psa 3.

Griffins

Anything from a 1-4, with a chance of evid of trim.
Try and cross it in its GAI holder "chance" becomes "lock"

mkg809

Thanks guys.
I guess I'll stay away from this one.

schr1st

You beat me to it.



<< <i>Possibly;

N-1 Evidence of Trimming - When a card’s edge has been altered, a card doctor may use scissors, scalpel, cutter, or any other cutting instrument. A trimmed card may show one of the following: Hook up or down, have one razor sharp edge, a difference in toning along the edge, a wavy look.
N-2 Evidence of Restoration - When a card’s paper stock is built up - for example, when ripped corners are built up to look like new corners.
N-3 Evidence of Recoloration - Where a card’s color has been artificially improved.
N-4 Questionable Authenticity - This is the term used when a card is counterfeit.
N-5 Altered Stock - This term is used when the paper stock is altered in one or more of the following ways: Stretching and trimming, recoloring and restoring, trimming and recoloring, restoring an trimming, crease or wrinkle is pressed out, or gloss is enhanced.

Matt >>

Wizardsguildcards

My expereince tells me it would be a PSA 3 to 4, unless you send it in its GAI holder then it will be trimmed or something like that.

yawie99

I can't speak to the perception of widespread grading of trimmed cards, but the GAI stuff I've bought - including a couple of lower-grade E93's - does look to be graded a bit more generously than SGC or PSA cards in the same grade.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

My GAI 5 came back a BGS 4.

RonBurgundy

It's likely a PSA 3. Despite all of the hyperbole on this board, the grading standards among the major companies are closer than some wish to believe. If Baker at GAI graded the card a 3, then it's a 3.


Ron

1420sports

Is GAI still around? I have heard that they are ready to unveil the GAI 11 - which is also known as PRISTINE AND THEN SOME

1420sports

If you want to buy a graded card, stick with PSA and SGC.

RonBurgundy

1420 - The ghost of Ronald Reagan just appeared and muttered, "There you go again."



Stay classy,


Ron

1420sports

Just stating what is generally considered a golden rule in the hobby ... at least from what I have seen, heard, read, and experienced.

DaBigHurt

If it's a GAI/SGC/BGS graded card, there's a good chance it was passed along by Osama Bin Laden and terrorists at one point.

I would suggest you stick with PSA for your sports cards needs and help keep freedom on the march and support our troops.

Davalillo

Ron,

You sort of hope he goes away but then he comes back and says something stupid....again...and again...and again.

1420sports

Hey Jim .... FAH Q you annoying woodpecker

Why must you always attack me? This has absolutely nothing to with you but yet you keep beggin, and beggin, and beggin for more ....

speaking of stupid, did anyone hear the opening joke at the PSA luncheon? I heard it was rather boorish.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>You beat me to it. >>





matt

Davalillo

You are attacking a very good friend of mine who has too much class to bother responding. As Ron says, informed people in the industry consider the grading standards of GAI, SGC and PSA to be very close. If you knew any major submitters they would tell you.

Lets hear you talk again about how GAI and Pro are the same and you are going to tell Baker that at a show again so we can all have a good laugh.

Actually I have had many requests for copies of my speech and even more for my joke. Joe Orlando thought it was very funny and asked for a copy.

Stone193

<< <i>Is GAI still around? I have heard that they are ready to unveil the GAI 11 - which is also known as PRISTINE AND THEN SOME >>

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

Actually my friends order when looked up online says the grade of 11. I assume it is a generic term for something though.

Stone193

Hey guys,

I guess I've been under that rock again...

Isn't this a bit of a harsh "generalization" about the standards and practices of GAI?

The business model that is being alluded to would seal the fate of GAI as DOA?

Anyone have any specifics? Just curious.

From under the rock
mike

1420sports

You are attacking a very good friend of mine who has too much class to bother responding

I think the reason he does not have the time to respond is because they are busy looking for lost wax packs and doing some telemarketing on the side.

Leave me alone, and stop following me around. I already told you that I will never accept your apology, so please stay away.

Stone193

Hey wait a minute?

1420 was only saying what others had to say about GAI...

Why is he being singled out?

Not fair/nice IMO.
mike

Davalillo

You attack me relentlessly and I should apologize to you? What an outright lie.

Go away and if you insist on cluttering up the CU Boards try to avoid sounding stupid(an impossibility).

Stone193

<< <i>You attack me relentlessly and I should apologize to you? What an outright lie.

Go away and if you insist on cluttering up the CU Boards try to avoid sounding stupid(an impossibility). >>


Dav
Where did 1420 attack you in this thread.

He stated his opine on GAI and you came out of the clouds with guns blazing.

mike

MajorDanby

there is some variability in crossovers, but by how much?? Some board members have done some small sample analyses on crossovers, and the verdict is that the grades usually crossover consistently. of course, these experiments deal with small samples...so, there is a large element of random variations in the data. but, i *think* someone did a very large sample study of SGC/PSA crossovers. Maybe, if someone is curious enough, a large PSA/GAI crossover experiment would be interesting.

my opinion based purely on observations....GAI and PSA are rather consistent in their grading. variability might reach 1 grade, but my gut tells me not more than that. ditto with GAI/SGC and SGC/PSA. but, variaiblity will likely increase given the year of the card (for instance, SGC is more consistent in their grading in pre war vs GAI/PSA...and SGC is more sketchy in post war).

as far as BGS...other than modern cards, i dont know how BVG would compare to PSA/SGC/GAI.

Davalillo

Mike,

In this thread he did not--but he has many many times in the past.

Here he is attacking GAI--in other threads he has personally attacked Baker. Baker and Rocchi are good friends of mine and I will stand up for them. He equates their quality of grading with Pro and has even offered to confront Baker on this. Baker has long been known as the best grader in the hobby. Needless to say, he was forced to retract this.

You should visit their Easton, Pa office.

RonBurgundy

Wow, what a hornet's nest was stirred here. I've said it once, I'll say it again: the grading standards of the Big Three are closer than anyone would think. Everyone is free to choose which holder they want their cards in. I have cards from all three companies and respect them all for what they do. If you like dollar signs and want to maximize the value of your collection, then you should probably go with PSA. Just be prepared to spend some bucks for the grading. If you like pre-war stuff, perhaps SGC should be your choice. If you're interested in why a card grades the way it does, GAI is a reasonable choice as Baker and others will take the time to share with you why a card receives the grade it does. That openness is why it is amusing to me that people attack their grading when they've never hidden from the grades they assign to cards.

All of that said, there are also problems that come with using all three and with regard to GAI, those problems are well documented and have been fully discussed on this board.



Ron

Stone193

<< <i>Mike,

In this thread he did not--but he has many many times in the past.

Here he is attacking GAI--in other threads he has personally attacked Baker. Baker and Rocchi are good friends of mine and I will stand up for them. He equates their quality of grading with Pro and has even offered to confront Baker on this. Baker has long been known as the best grader in the hobby. Needless to say, he was forced to retract this.

You should visit their Easton, Pa office. >>


Jim
We're not privy to those remarks - so we have to take what is said here at face value.

I, personally, have tremendous respect for Mike Baker and don't know anything about what is being spoken here. That's why I asked for specifics to help me to understand this position.

The problem in this instance is that it looks like 1420 is being "singled out" and this is a pro-PSA crowd.

And, I will have to tell you - and this has nothing to do with grading - as such - but when it comes to "tracking" pack grading - they come off as looking like the idiot savants of the grading world.

mike

1420sports

You attack me relentlessly and I should apologize to you? What an outright lie.

When did I attack you on this thread? When you emailed me last time and apologized for bringing me into yet another GAI bash that you took personal, I told you I am staying away from you. When you called me - I hung up.

Jim, I have already refused your neverending supply of apologies so why would I want another one? Stop emailing me and telling me why you are looked down upon. At one time, I felt sorry for you but that time has come and gone. Even the public apology you offered will do you no good now.

So I guess that is why you are calling me stupid this time around. I once felt very sorry for you Jim, but you are a laughing stock within the message board arena and it has nothing to do with your Wiffle Ball Disc PSA collection. Is that #54?

Like I said before, good luck on your quest to 100. Now please, stay away.

Davalillo

For anybody who cares about the rants of this raving lunatic:
He is lieing about everything.

1)First, I would never call him on the phone. He called me once and tried to apologize. I told him to quit attacking me and things would be fine. nOf course it never stops.

2)Second, I never apologized to him for anything and he obviously knows this. He was ridiculed off the boards when he attacked Baker the last time--he finally had to shut up.

3)I have never e-mailed 1420 Sports that I can remember--why would I? The guy is not even a collector. This is again just a lie to make himself look good.

If you only knew what they say about you behind your back-ha ha ha.

Jealousy is a powerful emotion--don't let it get the best of you little guy....or big guy with the little brain.

Davalillo

RonBurgundy,

You are absolutely right in everything you say.

Mike,

You are right about Baker--all serious collectors/dealers respect him--he is a classy guy and a top quality grader. 1420 Sports says that the grading company he runs is equal to Pro in terms of quality of grading and he even said he had no problem telling Baker this in a public forum(naturally he backed down).

I am pro- PSA as well-I have always wanted them to have the highest standards.

Ahmanfan

You should be ok with the GAI 3 card. If I was looking for a certain card in a VG condition, I would be fine with a gai 3.

1420sports

If people are talking behind my back jim, oh well ... whattyagonnado?

But you sir ... are a unique animal. Oh boy, if you only knew what the chatter is from the "attaboyjim's", you would cringe and most likely take a good look in the mirror.

For the last time jim ... leave me out of it

Davalillo

I agree--quit attacking me and my friends--learn something about the hobby--and quit lieing about me--and everything will be fine.

RonBurgundy

Jim - thanks for the kind words. I realize this is a PSA board and thus there will be pro-PSA leanings, but the fact is there are 3 major grading companies that serve collectors and serve them well, for the most part. I think the bashing of GAI and SGC - and there has been bashing of SGC - is overblown. Major collectors and large dealers understand this, so I don't know why that is so hard to understand here.



Stay classy,


Ron

Davalillo

Ron,

Exactly.

I hope I am not betraying any confidences here but I had a drink with Andy Madec, a well-known West Coast dealer, at the National. Andy said he submits 125-150 cards a week, uses all three major grading companies, and believes all of them are very very close in their grading. This corresponds closely with what other major dealers tell me.

While PSA is still the leader there were a lot of GAI and SGC cards at the National...and a lot of Beckett-graded modern cards.

Jim

2dueces

All 3 companies have thier quirks. As far as grading standards, they don't call them the Big 3 for nothing. GAI does a respectable job. I would have no problem buying a T206 GAI 3 card.

pandrews

<< <i>Ron,

You sort of hope he goes away but then he comes back and says something stupid....again...and again...and again. >>



whats your point? Or are you just trying to harass 1420 again? One of the nastiest, ugliest attacks I have ever seen--from a person I have never met.

a post like that is intentionally inflammatory.

mkg809

Sorry I asked.

mkg809

Here is the card I was asking about.

Ahmanfan

I dont know anything about it, but that is a neat card! Hope you didn't miss out on it because some people on here dont like certain grading compaines.

yawie99

Nice Phillippe, but I think a 3 is a generous grade on a card with a coast-to-coast horizontal crease. I just busted this one from a GAI 3 slab:



I like the look of the card, but it's only in good condition, in my book. Like I said, from what I've seen, GAI tends to be a bit forgiving at the lower end of the grading scale.