When did PSA start doing this?

envoy98

PSA/DNA & Auto Only Grade???

It's a post 1997 modern card with a company certified auto but it's PSA/DNA with a grade on the auto? What the heck is that?

EagleEyeKid

I asked the same earlier and from the response I got, or how I interpret it is that this seller may be a card doctor and it's a brilliant concept to just get the auto graded. It's like BGS card with their 10 auto grade and throw everything else out. If this is the case, it's not good and very deceptive for the amount being paid for these cards.

envoy98

Ah, thanks for the link. I was thinking the same thing based on the seller. He has quite a few of them. But why not just send them to BGS who normally holders all his rototrimmed crap?

EagleEyeKid

I think it's brilliant. What is he paying...about $25 per card to go thru PSA/DNA just for the graph? Like I said, it's deceptive and a lot of potential buyers may just see that Gem Mt 10 on the holder with PSA and think it's fine and not reading the fine print on the bottom of that flip. It looks much more attractive than BGS's authentic holder.

baseballfanatic

Not trying to start anything, but isnt it odd that the auto only card is being auctioned off by Shoeless-Joejackson??

Boopotts

<< <i>Not trying to start anything, but isnt it odd that the auto only card is being auctioned off by Shoeless-Joejackson?? >>



No, I don't think it's odd at all. There are about 5-8 Ebay sellers I would expect to see selling this card, and he's one of them.

schr1st

Better yet, if you look up the card in the Cert Verification, it shows up as a PSA 10. Not a PSA/DNA 10, but a PSA 10. I emailed Joe about it earlier today (both the cert verification issue and that they would even slab and grade the auto in the first place), and he didn't seem to understand what the fuss was about.

envoy98

I agree, there are several sellers I would expect to see this of. I also agree that it is deceptive, especially when someone pops in near the end of an auction, sees "GEM MT 10" on the flip and hits the ol' bid button. At least he has a picture, what about the next guy who puts "PSA 10 Ryan Zimmerman Bowman Chrome RC Auto Cert#xxxxxx" someone goes and looks it up and it says "GEM MT 10". Then they get the card in the mail and wonder "WTF is this?"

Again though, considering the seller, I'm surprised it's not in a BGS holder. Maybe the rest of the standout sellers I've lumped him in with will all make the switch to PSA now if this starts working out for them....Guys like kkoenig, kardsharks, unklbenz etc might all make a small initial attempt in this arena now.

Jmnesq

As I said before:

Friday July 28, 2006 7:56 AM

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Given the seller, it makes absolutely perfect sense.

For reasons that many people know and I won't go into here, there is a chance that PSA refused to grade the cards themselves.

However, this way, the seller gets the card into a slab with a PSA 10 gem mint tag on it.

It's pretty brilliant, actually.

InMySock

Why was I always under the impression that for a card to get holdered, it needed to pass both PSA and DNA? Otherwise, they would just put a sticker on it, and send it back unholdered?

Perhaps I am as lost as everyone else?

riccaboni

<< <i>As I said before:

Friday July 28, 2006 7:56 AM

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Given the seller, it makes absolutely perfect sense.

For reasons that many people know and I won't go into here, there is a chance that PSA refused to grade the cards themselves.

However, this way, the seller gets the card into a slab with a PSA 10 gem mint tag on it.

It's pretty brilliant, actually. >>



This is the explaination that makes the most sense to me. I think this is what most likely happened.

-Ian

jradke4

Well I am glad I didnt bid on the Aikman that he has/had going. I thought something was strange when I did the Cert Verf. and it came back as a 10 but no PSA/DNA thing or stating auto grade only like the holder states.

SDavid

The borders on that card look about right to me. He probably just sent it into psa/dna because he knew it wouldn't grade a 10 with psa. I don't think the centering would be strong enough for a 10 anyway so there wouldn't be much point in trimming it. Also, I think the majority of this seller's cards have been graded by psa (not psa/dna) instead of bgs for a while now. And, yes, he's had a lot of cards rejected for trimming in the past from both companies, but I would imagine a lot of them are simply resubmitted until they grade.

envoy98

<< <i>The borders on that card look about right to me. He probably just sent it into psa/dna because he knew it wouldn't grade a 10 with psa. I don't think the centering would be strong enough for a 10 anyway so there wouldn't be much point in trimming it. Also, I think the majority of this seller's cards have been graded by psa (not psa/dna) instead of bgs for a while now. And, yes, he's had a lot of cards rejected for trimming in the past from both companies, but I would imagine a lot of them are simply resubmitted until they grade. >>



All good points. Just seems odd...I mean PSA/DNA is $20/card and everyone knows the auto is good (or at least assumes it's good since it's a factory cert card) . And if he was trimming them the centering could be improved...

SDavid

The L/R centering on that card is probably too weak to be improved into a gem candidate without going beneath either company's size guidelines. Bowman chrome cards are generally close to standard size, so it would be pretty obvious if he hacked off that much of a border.

It could also have a surface scratch or some other defect that can't be fixed.

edited to add: I'm pretty sure psa/dna cards have to be authenticated before the autograph is graded anyway, so, theoretically, there shouldn't be a greater likelihood of the card being altered than if the card itself was actually graded.

Dallas88

Seems to be a fine line between "brilliance" and "dishonesty" regarding those auctions.