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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    AT, IMHO
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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    AT all the way. My guess is BernzOmatic torch induced.
  • DrPerryDrPerry Posts: 126



    AT

    imho
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  • LouisLouis Posts: 3,687
    AT.
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  • ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    AT
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nasty AT, ugh
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  • HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭
    nope,it's an ugly AT
  • rcjesrcjes Posts: 77
    AT all the way. My guess is BernzOmatic torch induced.

    I would have answered nt if I got in on time. A BernzOmatic torch does not tone in this manner, it leaves coins with a very translucent color or if exposed to long a burnt look. This is evident that it has some accumulation of oxidation buildup around the edges and scattered throughout.
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  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    image and a combo of the following AT and not market acceptable
  • AlixTCatAlixTCat Posts: 1,276
    He says right in the subject that it is naturally toned. So, everyone jumps on the AT bandwagon. It's ALL AT! There IS NO NT anywhere. It's all intent. image

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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    He says right in the subject that it is naturally toned

    He edited his original subject line. It first said something to the affect "P.S. I know the answer". I still think it is AT.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    It could be nt in terms of environmental damage nt. Looks like it spent a few decades underground.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ok, I'll stir the pot, isnt all toning some degree of environmental damage ?image
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  • pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    I found this while going through some wheaties I have had for years. It has a big hit over the N which shows how deep the toning is.
    It is a very worn , not worth anything penny. I can assure you that the toning is real. I posted this because all the AT hype has everyone
    questioning every coin with a little color.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It might be NT, but it would still be bodybagged - if not for color, for environmental damage.

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>ok, I'll stir the pot, isnt all toning some degree of environmental damage ?image >>



    How so?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ok, im not a chemist or nearly as knowledgable as most on this board but couldnt you say that anything , be it paper, natural moisture, air molocules and anything that is not already on the coin itself be in the "enviroment"?, thus when it contacts a coin it begins its change / damage?,

    I could be way off base here......maybe crazy from the NE heatwave.....

    then its just the simple argument of AT vs NT vs accelerated T, that playful grey area image
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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭
    Who took the TORCH to that poor old wheatie?? AT!

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>ok, im not a chemist or nearly as knowledgable as most on this board but couldnt you say that anything , be it paper, natural moisture, air molocules and anything that is not already on the coin itself be in the "enviroment"?, thus when it contacts a coin it begins its change / damage?,

    I could be way off base here......maybe crazy from the NE heatwave.....

    then its just the simple argument of AT vs NT vs accelerated T, that playful grey area image >>




    I see what you're saying.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    someone A.T`d it then a long time ago .........the toning goes on the rim as well

    it`s so A.T. , that even a sworn affidavit wouldn`t convince otherwise
  • pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    Do I have to give this coin to one of the "experts" on toning who everyone would take as fact. Or is there such a member? I personally believe all the members crying AT! on every toned coin they see have a lot of money to lose when this toning scam is exposed. Almost every coin you see now has some type of toning. Of course they are being doctored .... some are just better than others
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do I have to give this coin to one of the "experts" on toning who everyone would take as fact. Or is there such a member? I personally believe all the members crying AT! on every toned coin they see have a lot of money to lose when this toning scam is exposed. Almost every coin you see now has some type of toning. Of course they are being doctored .... some are just better than others >>

    You don't have to do anything. Whether you like it or not and whether you agree or not, the coin looks AT to most posters, and please add me to that list.

    By the way, if people were worried about "a lot of money to lose when this toning scam is exposed", they would probably claim that AT coins were NT, not that NT ones were AT.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I think you'd be hard pressed to find one reputable, unbiased expert to proclaim it NT, regardless of how long you've owned it or what other wheaties it was kept with.

    I do agree with Russ that it would be bagged for enviromental damage anyway.
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  • pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    I don't like being a naysayer, but I got to tell it like it is.............Someday soon the toned coin market is going to implode.
    And coinguy..I added you to the list.you dont want to know which one
  • pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    anyone else but me out there question the toned coin racket........excuse me market
  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349 ✭
    Even if it was slabbed as NT by a leading grading service, I wouldn't buy it. It's rather ugly.

    -Amanda

    PS Environmental Damage! It looks really porous.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since you don't want to believe the coin is AT... I will pay all grading fees if you get that coin in an NGC, PCGS, or ANACS (no problem) holder.
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>I don't like being a naysayer, but I got to tell it like it is.............Someday soon the toned coin market is going to implode.
    And coinguy..I added you to the list.you dont want to know which one >>




    I'm not getting this. You insist that it's nt, then use it to state that the toned coin market is a racket and will implode. As Mark suggests, you seem to be going the wrong way down your one-way street to prove your predetermined conclusion. If we had said nt, would you have then said ha, fooled you, you can't tell at from nt? I'm confused.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    the coin is not worth the stamp to give it to someone. In hand it isnt bad as far as the colors..just splotchy. I think I made my point with this old penny. There is a AT/NT line, and only when someone can prove by science how old the toning is , or if it was intentionally applied will I pay big money for toned coins just because they are toned.

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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I was slightly confused when you started out. Now I'm baffled.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And coinguy..I added you to the list.you dont want to know which one >>



    Be afraid, Mark, be very afraid. image

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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    no doubt AT
  • arlea1957arlea1957 Posts: 817
    even pcgs would call this at.....

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  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349 ✭


    << <i>I don't like being a naysayer, but I got to tell it like it is.............Someday soon the toned coin market is going to implode.
    And coinguy..I added you to the list.you dont want to know which one >>



    What is this list? People who actually know what they're talking about? Am I on this mystical list?

    -Amanda
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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    I think I know how this coin got "toned". It was swallowed by a Doberman (or maybe a pitbull). And then it was recovered from the doggy poop and CAREFULLY rinsed in Jeweluster, MS70, Nickelene, Acetone, dried with a blow torch and wraped in used toilet paper. imageimage
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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT...AT....AT....AT.....did I say it was AT??
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I would just call it butt ugly, regardless of how the toning got there.......
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What is this list? People who actually know what they're talking about? Am I on this mystical list? >>



    Man, that had to hurt. Smacked down by a YN. image

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  • pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    Funny how the same people that call everthing AT sell toned silver eagles and keep a straight face.
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭
    i dont think anyone wants that penny, if they do it is for a referance on at examples
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Funny how the same people that call everthing AT sell toned silver eagles and keep a straight face. >>



    They might be posting with a twisted face.

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  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What is this list? People who actually know what they're talking about? Am I on this mystical list? >>



    Man, that had to hurt. Smacked down by a YN. image

    Russ, NCNE >>



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    -Amanda
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CT (chemically toned), but since it's copper, I am uncertain of the chemicals that were necessary to bring about the discoloration of the original numismatic piece.
    It isn't a question of beauty or desire .... it's a matter of natural or unnatural. The Mona Lisa is as ugly a woman as I've seen, but the beauty in the stroke of the artists brush says different. This is unnaturally toned, but it is Chemical Toning, NOT thermal.

    Joe
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who cares? That thing is a pig. Most people would not bend over to pick it up on the sidewalk. Please put me on the same list with Feld. image
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Most people would not bend over to pick it up on the sidewalk. >>



    I would. It's money.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Most people would not bend over to pick it up on the sidewalk. >>

    I would. It's money.

    Do you know where it's been? image
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,470 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> << Most people would not bend over to pick it up on the sidewalk. >>

    I would. It's money.

    Do you know where it's been? image >>



    It could have fallen out of a penny loafer when somebody was trippin back in the seventies image

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you know where it's been? >>



    In an album. Didn't you read the thread? image

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