Would this Frankie go FBL and....

RedneckHB

would the hit keep it out of a 65 holder? Thanks

pharmer

Beautiful, and great images.

Jcarney

No, I can't see either PCGS or NGC giving this coin a FBL. As far as MS65, I'd have to see the obverse and the color is worth a bump, but that's a pretty nasty hit that I think limits the coin to 63.

RedneckHB

Here is a quick pic of the obverse. Looks clean to me, but Frankies are not my area.

Leiana

It can't get FBL because of the hit, and that's really too bad because without the hit it really looks like it had a chance because it has them in the hardest spot, right to the left of the ringer thing.

A hit like that would probably drop it to a 63, because of it being in a key focal area.

-Amanda

Jcarney

It is a gorgeous coin and the obverse looks to be solid 65, but I'll stick with my previous grade of MS63. It may get a bump to 64 for the color.

bushmaster8

I think it would 65. Is that really a hit? or was it pre-strike??

Hard to say wether or not it will FBL with the crazy application of FBL standard at PCGS these days, but I think it has a decent chance. Even a nonFBL 51-D is worth slabbing.

RBB617

Good question by Bushmaster8. The "hit" looks a little odd, almost like a second crack in the bell. It looks like the bell lines are still visible inside the hit, but maybe that's just the angle. Outside of the hit, I think you'd have a shot at a 65 FBL.

Heywood

I was under the impression that FBL, was more for Strike defiintion.

You can clearly see that there are FBLs under and through the area that was hit, so I think it could go FBL.

( but standards seem to rise for more expensive coins)

A hit in such a key focal area would probably limit it to 64 Max.

Now is it really a hit? hard to tell, would like to see more close ups to determine displacement of metal.

RedneckHB

Thanks for the comments.

I took a quick look at the hit just after I took the pics and I was not convinced that it was just a hit. I will try to get a close up tomorrow.

Ronyahski

Are you doing something with the pic settings? Looks like alot of constrast, shadow in that recess in the lines. The bell crack looks like a canyon. The coin looks AU to me. Take a pic with no setting changes.

pharmer

<< <i>It can't get FBL because of the hit, and that's really too bad because without the hit it really looks like it had a chance because it has them in the hardest spot, right to the left of the ringer thing.

A hit like that would probably drop it to a 63, because of it being in a key focal area.

-Amanda >>




That's an amazing response. You know so much about the TPG grading criteria, and at such a young age. I know you're too young to have been an NGC grader, but how did you come by such depth of knowledge?

darktone

Nice color- MS63 at least maybe 64 because of the color. The hit on the reverse knocks it down a point and all the marks on the face drop it another point- without these two problem area's I would call it MS65FBL. mike

MAD4MORGANS

Heck the real Liberty Bell can't make Full Bell Lines.

Some other interesting stuff about the Liberty Bell here: Liberty Bell

robertpr

At NGC it will not grade out as an FBL but my experience tells me the hit is not damning enough with regards to the lower lines to totally rule out a possible FBL grade by PCGS. I would grade it MS64FBL. As others have said, 63 without the color. The bell lines are hammered though, right up to the crack so I wouldn't be quick to rule out the FBL designation.

Leiana

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<< <i>It can't get FBL because of the hit, and that's really too bad because without the hit it really looks like it had a chance because it has them in the hardest spot, right to the left of the ringer thing.

A hit like that would probably drop it to a 63, because of it being in a key focal area.

-Amanda >>




That's an amazing response. You know so much about the TPG grading criteria, and at such a young age. I know you're too young to have been an NGC grader, but how did you come by such depth of knowledge? >>



Gee, thanks! Well, I have studied a bunch of rolls of Franklin Halves that my dad buys on eBay and then I grade them for him and designate FBL or not. He then resells these individually. So I have seen a lot of Franklins, some FBL, some close to FBL and some really bad BL. The ones that are close always seem to be missing right to left of the bell ringer thingy. I have also read the ANA grading guide cover to cover several times.

Thanks again. My Daddy thinks I should be a coin grader, but I want to be an Archaeologist.

-Amanda

MAD4MORGANS

<< <i>bell ringer thingy >>

=Clapper

MAD4MORGANS

Here is PCGS's definition grading definition on their LINGO website:



<< <i>Full Bell Lines - Term applied to Franklin half dollars when the lower sets of bell lines are complete (FBL). Very slight disturbance of several lines is acceptable.

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JRocco

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<< <i>It can't get FBL because of the hit, and that's really too bad because without the hit it really looks like it had a chance because it has them in the hardest spot, right to the left of the ringer thing.

A hit like that would probably drop it to a 63, because of it being in a key focal area.

-Amanda >>




That's an amazing response. You know so much about the TPG grading criteria, and at such a young age. I know you're too young to have been an NGC grader, but how did you come by such depth of knowledge? >>



Gee, thanks! Well, I have studied a bunch of rolls of Franklin Halves that my dad buys on eBay and then I grade them for him and designate FBL or not. He then resells these individually. So I have seen a lot of Franklins, some FBL, some close to FBL and some really bad BL. The ones that are close always seem to be missing right to left of the bell ringer thingy. I have also read the ANA grading guide cover to cover several times.

Thanks again. My Daddy thinks I should be a coin grader, but I want to be an Archaeologist.

-Amanda >>



You sure are a pretty sharp grader Amanda
Does you dad post here?

Leiana

<< <i>You sure are a pretty sharp grader Amanda
Does you dad post here? >>



Thanks. No he doesn't. He doesn't really have all that much free time.

-Amanda

Cladiator

<< <i>My Daddy thinks I should be a coin grader, but I want to be an Actor. >>

GoldenEyeNumismatics

I think it would go FBL, as for MS65 I can't tell by the pics

SUPERCARCOINS

cohodk ,

tell you what , i will take the poor A.U. , M.S. 63, giant hit/blemished , pig of a coin off your hands for 50$

rainbowroosie

"tell you what , i will take the poor A.U. , M.S. 63, giant hit/blemished , pig of a coin off your hands for 50$"

now you know what it is worth!!!!!