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PSA Should Remove Cards Like These from Circulation

MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
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Who thinks PSA should spend some of it's money to remove cards like these from circulation. They should hire anonymous buyers who do nothing but keep these from public viewing. That's just awful.1963 Topps PSA 8 Clemente
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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Did you not read the description...?

    Fantastic condition!

    Four crisp corners

    Terrific colors

    Great centering
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if that came from the Baker/Rocchi regime?
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  • Cincykid8123Cincykid8123 Posts: 239
    I wonder if the poor sap bidding even looked at the picture?
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  • BugOnTheRugBugOnTheRug Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭
    When did asking for 'no qualifiers' on a submission start? This is an older flip so I'm not sure if at that time you could ask for NQ's. Is this technically a 9 but was given an 8 due to centering? Doesn't present like a 9 however. Agreed it gives a bad rap to psa to have this card in circulation.

  • lowstartmicklowstartmick Posts: 304
    PSA will buy overgraded cards back if they meet certain criteria, not being too expensive is main thing. Otherwise they will try to justify the grade.
    To be fair it seems that is how the other grading companies operate as well.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    A pixel counter on this blury picture says about 29/71. I guess the grader could have guessed and even 30/70, the very lowest PSA 8 centering can be.

    If it was PERFECT in every other way, I could call it an 8. However, it looks from the picture as if at least one of the bottom corners is showing white.

    There's some cracking along the right part of the slab too...
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    image

    I will have to take your word on the pixel count, but that looks closer to 85/15 to me based on a quick glance. My opinion remains that NM-MT to MINT cards need to have at least 60/40 centering for 8 level, and at least 55/45 to be a 9. Seems that both SGC and PSA have centering req's that are loose and are quite different than mine.

    edited to add .... if you need to count pixels to determine centering, it isn't centered.

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Buy the card, not the holder.
  • JonBJonB Posts: 495 ✭
    By my pixel count on the borders (L/R) I get .2857 and .7143. Obviously that wouldn't meet the minimum 30/70, but the minimum aside, the visual appeal of the card does not warrant a grade of 8. The bottom left corner also appears to have too much wear on it.... and I'm not even going to get started about how the right side of the holder appears to be seriously cracked.
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020
    Ugly cardshould be a psa 6,image
  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    What they should remove is the grader.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    If this card came out of the WIWAG fiasco then wouldn't PSA have the cert's that were affected and could get this card pulled? They needed to print a list of all possible affected cards so we wouldn't have to speculate when one came up.
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  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    WIWAG? Could someone PM anything about this, since I have no idea.
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  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    tick tick tick -- POOF!
  • rw2winrw2win Posts: 557 ✭
    UGLY woof, woof!
  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    Looks like it was fairly graded. Meets all the criteria for a PSA 8. What's the problem?
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  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like it was fairly graded. Meets all the criteria for a PSA 8. What's the problem? >>



    Let's start with you.

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  • JonBJonB Posts: 495 ✭


    << <i>Looks like it was fairly graded. Meets all the criteria for a PSA 8. What's the problem? >>



    How can you say that when the centering falls outside of the PSA guidelines of 70/30???
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Looks like it was fairly graded. Meets all the criteria for a PSA 8. What's the problem? >>



    How can you say that when the centering falls outside of the PSA guidelines of 70/30??? >>



    One should never take DaBigHurt's posts literally. He answers as if he was a "Joe Orlando-type" spokesperson for PSA. Treat all his responses accordingly.
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  • Dallas88Dallas88 Posts: 746 ✭
    Looks like it was fairly graded. Meets all the criteria for a PSA 8. What's the problem?

    The ability to recognize satire seems to have become a lost art........
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020
    I think they should Crack it out and resubmit it might go 9 or even a 10.image
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Could it be possible that this was graded by Mike Baker who is generally accepted as the "best grader in the business"? It actually may be a GAI 8.5.
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  • Fletch1750Fletch1750 Posts: 199
    Baker all the way, was graded in 95 or 96 I would bet.
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  • GOODLIEUGOODLIEU Posts: 629 ✭✭
    The low certification number is a sure sign that the current management at PSA did not have a lot to do with this grade. But I do agree that cards like this should be taken out of circulation by PSA. It is just good for their bottom line.
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  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    The low number doesn't directly coorelate with when it was graded; I know that the certain font used can narrow down when the card was graded but cert numbers are practically useless is figuring out when a card was graded.
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  • ChrisCChrisC Posts: 435
    I wonder if the ol switch a roo is in play! Right side of the slab is looking a tad tampered with!
  • SoutherncardsSoutherncards Posts: 1,384 ✭✭
    Oh this ought to be good............
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>and I'm not even going to get started about how the right side of the holder appears to be seriously cracked. >>



    i noticed this..
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  • meuandthelotmeuandthelot Posts: 183 ✭✭
    < and I'm not even going to get started about how the right side of the holder appears to be seriously cracked. >>



    i noticed this..

    me too, but the seller seems to really like caffeine so i attributed the crack to Dbl. expresso jitters while scanning image
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  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    If my calculations are correct this is the 130 card carded by PSA so yes its an old one?
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    02000001 which would be #101 = 52 Topps Lou Kretlow then to this Clemente?
    Purely a guess ?
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    I think that PSA's early grades shouldn't be sitting around like museum curiositys, "oh here is an example from the early days of grading, you can see centering didn't matter that much back then." If they have made mistakes in the past they should just rectify the situation. The point of all this grading was that you should be able to have some consistency between grades. I don't think it is just early grading that has this problem. PSA should just fix this behind the scenes as they will never take cards back unless they are horribly wrong IE, trimmed, fake, recolored, missing paper, creases on high grade cards.
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  • GlynRParsonGlynRParson Posts: 364
    Hey Southern You should keep your trap shut as there are many SGC 88s out there with equal or worse centering.
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey Southern You should keep your trap shut as there are many SGC 88s out there with equal or worse centering. >>



    Hell, I had an SGC 92 [and this was after the split grades, so it was 8.5, too], that upon cracking and submitting to PSA came back as PSA 8 o/c. And it deserved that grade....
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Marc, didn't you know that SGC can do no wrong? image
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If this card came out of the WIWAG fiasco then wouldn't PSA have the cert's that were affected and could get this card pulled? They needed to print a list of all possible affected cards so we wouldn't have to speculate when one came up. >>



    It's too early to be a WIWAG. They did away with that font well before that went down.
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