Philippine Piso

Angielczyk

Good Morning all

Digging aroud in an old box I found this and I do not know what it is,

I cannot find it in my 2007 Krause.

As you can see it is only one sided. It is made of bronze I think and is crown size.

Perhaps it is a trial piece that never became a coin. Can someone please help.

Thanks

Harold

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/h_angielczyk/detail?.dir=8eb2&.dnm=4b8are2.jpg&.src=ph

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/h_angielczyk/detail?.dir=8eb2&.dnm=ce9ere2.jpg&.src=ph

spoon

Interesting! I'd like to here what others say. Here are the images linked:

Obverse -- Reverse

trozau

Very interesting. A take off from the sower design, Philippinized (if there is such a word).

Justhavingfun

Hello Angleczyk:

It's a pattern piece from the midsixties. As Trozau points out, the obverse is called the Sower design. Nice ones usually go for $40 to $60 retail.

However, usually they have both sides. But since yours has only one, it may be worth a bit more.

The patterns were put out by a private mint in Manila. The accepted designs were worked over and coined by (if I remember correctly) the Franklin Mint.

At one time the patterns were worth two or three times as much but the dies weren't destroyed and new people have them and are restriking the patterns in large quantities, driving the prices down, down, down.

Still, you have an interesting piece on your hands.

Best wishes,



Just Having Fun

FilamCoins

Interesting! I've never seen that piece before. Should have known that JHF would know all about it!!

Angielczyk

Dear JustHavingFun

Although I don't post here very often I am an avid reader of the board. It never ceases to amaze me just how knowledgeable people here are.

Thank you for the information.

Just a couple of questions if I may.

1) Is there any way of knowing if my piece is in fact from the sixties or later (I suppose not but it would be nice to know). I was in Manilla in 1989 and1994 and probably picked it up on one of the trips, although I do not remember.

2) Do you know what the writing on the coins says. It is probably in Tugalog so If you do not know I will find someone from the Philippines here and ask them.

Again thank you very much for your help

Harold

trozau

Translation:

Masaganang ani - Bountiful harvest
Maunlad na buhay - Prosperous life

Justhavingfun

Thank you trozau: Tainohenka translated the copy in the exact same way in a separate e-mail.


Dear Angielczyk: My guess, and it's only a guess, it that it isn't a restrike, but an original. The restrikes have only started appearing in the last 5 years or so.


And Mr. Filam: Thank you soooooooooooo very much. And hope to see you soon. I'll be in Manila next sometime next week. Maybe we can have one of those coin nights again.


Warm regards,



Just Having Fun

FilamCoins

<< <i>And Mr. Filam: Thank you soooooooooooo very much. And hope to see you soon. I'll be in Manila next sometime next week. Maybe we can have one of those coin nights again. >>



That would be great!!

I asked a knowledgable collector here in Manila about this piece and this is what he had to say:

PN38 or PN39. Called the Sower Peso. It was a pattern submitted but not approved for minting. Listed to have been struck in silver. Trial
pieces are usually struck in softer metal like copper, lead or bronze. Be warned that unuthorized re-strikes from the original dies of these
pieces abound. The original dies were kept by the master engraver of J Tupaz and eventually found its way to unscrupulous person/s. This, along with several types of patterns, has appeared in the last 6 or so years including the rare Homma medal. These are being sold "underground". This situation is like an open secret but nobody wants to publicly declare. No actual records or physical proof has been presented so far for documentation. Due to the difficulty in acertaining the actual date of strike, the PNAS has at present refrained from accepting these items for auction. Personally, I doubt that documentary evidence will be made available to close the issue. Nonetheless, the auction comittee 2 years ago agreed that until a final statement is made, its decision not to accept will remain. To date, I don't know of any sample struck in silver for this or the other pattern/medals of the series. If you come across silver pieces, they are most likely genuinely struck at the time.

lordmarcovan

Hm. Very interesting. That was a totally new one on me!