I didn't like the trade. I'd rather have a guy to develop than a guy past his prime and clearly NOT the same player post MLB steriod binge. Not making an accusation against Abreu but it's questionable. Although CJ Henry wasn't doing to well in the minors he costs a lot less than 16 mill, but I guess certain guys in upper management believe Abreu will be what it takes. I'd rather have the platoon of Melky/Bernie personally.
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The Philadelphia Phillies and New York Yankees have a tentative deal to send Phillies right fielder Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle to New York ESPN.com's Jayson Stark and ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported Sunday.
Stark reported the Yankees will send the Phillies 20-year-old minor-league shortstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-league player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts. Abreu is owed $15 million for 2007 alone.
Abreu has a full no-trade clause in his contract and has the right to accept or reject the deal. In the past his agent has said any team trading for Abreu would have to pick up his $16 million option for 2008 to get him to waive the no-trade clause. However, Abreu himself recently has backed off that stance.
Abreu is hitting .277 with 8 home runs and 65 RBI in 99 games. He has a career batting average of .301 with 198 home runs and 841 RBI over 10 seasons.
Lidle, a right-hander, is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts in 2006. In eight seasons he has a career mark of 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA.
Abreu was in the Phillies' starting lineup Sunday but was pulled for Shane Victorino 10 minutes before their game with the Florida Marlins.
They didn't give up Proctor and thank goodness for that. Looks like CJ Henry is the top rated guy in the deal, and he is buried behind Jeter anyway. henry is not in the very top rated prospects the Yankee have either. Not sure yet how I fel about the trade. Again, I am just glad that Proctor is still in the pen.
<< <i>I think this is a good trade from the Yankees perspective. No Hughes in the deal. No Proctor in the deal. I don't think it can hurt them. >>
I agree. There are those who will focus on the money to rip the Yankees to shreads but from a baseball stand point the Yankees come out of this very well. And they got Lidle to boot for depth at the back of the rotation.
Again, I am estatic that Scott Proctor was not included in this deal as he was rumored to be.
The Phillies have so many problems I don't even know where to begin. I predicted here around mid-April that their season was done. It's demoralizing it really is and I'm sick of it. Get rid of this stinkin' manager and I'll start hoping again...and get some f*ing pitchers in the off season.
While Abreu is an excellent player, I just do not understand why the Yankees felt they needed him, especially right now, and for the extremely high price they paid to get him.
Matsui is expected back within a month, Sheffield should be back before the end of the season, and they already have Damon. Giambi can't be counted on to play 1B every day, so there goes your DH slot unless you stick one of the OF at 1B and take Andy Phillips out of the mix, and I don't see that happening daily. Bernie Williams is essentially finished for the season once Sheffield is back. Regardless, the Yankees haven't lost too many games because of their lack of offense, it's their pitching that sticks out as the biggest problem...
Which is why the inclusion of Lidle in the deal is even more puzzling. Lidle is a middle-of-the-road journeyman pitcher. Now on his 7th team in less than 10 seasons, he is just mediocre. Perhaps the Yankees figure that if he gives up 4-5 runs per game, they can just overcome it with their offense, but that isn't much security over the next 2 months while they are fighting for a playoff spot, or if they are forced to hand the ball to him to start a playoff game if they make the playoffs (I'd have to think he would get a playoff start over Wang or Wright, but really once they're past Mussina, it's slim pickings).
For the quality of prospects that they gave up, they certainly could have helped themselves more with a different deal than they did with this one. And that help should have been a better starting pitcher. Heck, Greg Maddux would have made a heck of a lot more sense than Bobby Abreu, and he would have been a lot cheaper. And Jose Guillen or Reggie Sanders could have provided the temporary OF bat for the stretch drive, again, much cheaper in terms of giving up prospects to acquire.
The Yankees are screwed. I'm not a hater, I dislike all other teams equally aside from my hometeam. I'm a realist, and it's pretty obvious... they are hanging onto a thread that has been splitting apart rapidly over the past year. The team has aged dramatically. They haven't won in several years and it's not going to happen this season or next - not until they overhaul the entire starting pitching staff. And now, they have literally no prospects to look forward to for years to come, and they have several long-term committments to dead-ass and/or overpriced players that they are now stuck with. Randy Johnson is there for another year, and he can't pitch effectively anymore. They're stuck with Wright through next season. They are stuck with Damon @ $13M/year through '09. Giambi is stuck there through '08 @ $21M/year plus the $5M to buy him out of '09. All of those guys are 100% untradable unless the Yankees eat a majority of the contracts.
I have to believe Cashman will resign or be fired after this season ends in disappointment for the Yankees again.
<< <i> (I'd have to think he would get a playoff start over Wang or Wright, but really once they're past Mussina, it's slim pickings).
Heck, Greg Maddux would have made a heck of a lot more sense than Bobby Abreu, and he would have been a lot cheaper.
And now, they have literally no prospects to look forward to for years to come, and they have several long-term committments to dead-ass and/or overpriced players that they are now stuck with. Randy Johnson is there for another year, and he can't pitch effectively anymore. They're stuck with Wright through next season. They are stuck with Damon @ $13M/year through '09. Giambi is stuck there through '08 @ $21M/year plus the $5M to buy him out of '09. All of those guys are 100% untradable unless the Yankees eat a majority of the contracts.
I have to believe Cashman will resign or be fired after this season ends in disappointment for the Yankees again. >>
yep, you and a looooong line of peeps constantly beat the "Yankees are screwed" drum... meanwhile they are breathing up the Red Sox a$$ through all of the injuries and "dead wood" you speak of Also, there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that Greg Maddux pitches in the AL. He has made that abuntantly clear over the years.
Your comment about no prospects to look forward to could not be more wrong if you tried. Enter Philip Hughes, Jose Tabata , Tyler Clippard , Christian Garcia all of whom are blue chip and it does not take alot of research to know this. PLEASE PLEASE guys try and know what the heck you are talking about ......
Also, ANOTHER in a long line who continually preach the Yankee are "stuck" with players such as Damon and Giambi. Was that Damon belting 2 upper deck shots today? Gee, glad we are "stuck" with him.
You are 100% cluless in your anaylsis of Brian Cashman's job and situation. I have NO problem with Yankee haters and bashers. I just wish most of them knew what they are talking about
oh, and if you think that Lidle would get a start over Chein Mein Wang in the post season then all I have to say that THAT in itself is the biggest and most glaring proof that you really have no idea ......
<< <i>When does it become apparent it's not the manager's fault?
All I remember hearing was how bad Bowa was, and that he *had* to go...but here we are, and the Phils are still in the same situation?
At some point that blame has to be shifted to the players for not performing. >>
I gotta basically agree with you. I was not one of those anti-Bowa fans but I realize that Bowa really cut his own throat. I think though a "smart" more controlled Bowa type is what is needed as manager. But they just badly need pitching as well. There are some bright spots of course on the team but almost every MLB team has bright spots. With the Phillies it's just not close to being good enough.
I have no use for the move today to be honest. They didnt need another bat, no matter what way they try to spin it. It all begins and ends with pitching. Now they have another big contract, and too many outfielders once Matsui and that other guy return.
Im sorry fellow Yankee fans, but this crap is beginning to really get to me. Maybe they should have an inscription on the outside of Yankee stadium similar to the one at the statue of liberty. It can read " Give me your tired, your really, really not poor, your huddled (and spoiled) masses........"
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
Good. Let the Yanks add more ridiculas salary to their already ridiculas salary, the postseason is always about pitching anyways so let them get another big name in the lineup. It will just add more frustration to big George when the Yanks get tossed out of the playoffs. That pitching staff will not hold up through September. Not saying the Sox will go any further, just venting.
<< <i>I have no use for the move today to be honest. They didnt need another bat, no matter what way they try to spin it. It all begins and ends with pitching. Now they have another big contract, and too many outfielders once Matsui and that other guy return.
Im sorry fellow Yankee fans, but this crap is beginning to really get to me. Maybe they should have an inscription on the outside of Yankee stadium similar to the one at the statue of liberty. It can read " Give me your tired, your really, really not poor, your huddled (and spoiled) masses........" >>
nah, the Yankees did not give in a trade good pitching and solidified the outfield that has improved the defense as Abreu has a good arm .... something the Yankees are lacking in. And Bri, if you are actually expecting Sheffield and Matsui to return like they never left I can tell you its not gonna happen. Not both of them and especially Matsui. I don't care what he says.That wrist went through way too much trauma to come back and effectivley swing the lumber this year. Sheffield is gone next year you can bank on that.
What are you getting tired of Bri? Its not like the Yankees traded Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps here. This is a solid move. No major league players given up and only marginal prospects. They get a better end of the rotation starter then we have had all year and Abreu has one of the best On Base percentages in baseball every year. Look at his average .... not his career average but that on base percentage is SOLID.
Now, if you want to be the Boy Scout and yell about the salary then that is another story. Besides the obvious salary jump this was a solid move in a market VOID of deals and especially pitching.
You have to admit - this is going to make watching the Yanks lose again that much more enjoyable.
Abreu isn't the key at the moment in this deal, it's journeyman Lidle - even the Red Sox had a passing interest in him because there is absolutely no pitching available anywhere. Lidle may indeed be average at best, but he's a tremendous upgrade over most of the Yankee staff.
ESPN's John Kruk analyzed the trade by saying the Red Sox are still the better team, but this trade might make them do something to counter from an offensive standpoint, and that could hurt their top notch team defense. I wouldn't be surprised if that means the Sox end up with Julio Lugo from Tampa Bay - he's one of the best young SS in baseball and a lock to be traded according to reports. I would much rather they stand pat (if a pitcher can be had, that's another story) with the team they have right now.
I know the Phillies wanted desperately to dump Abreu's salary, but they got basically nothing in return here. Four mediocre prospects from (according to Dan) the all-of-a-sudden mighty Yankee farm system. If I was a Phillies fan, I wouldn't be too happy tonight.
<< <i>I know the Phillies wanted desperately to dump Abreu's salary, but they got basically nothing in return here. Four mediocre prospects from (according to Dan) the all-of-a-sudden mighty Yankee farm system. If I was a Phillies fan, I wouldn't be too happy tonight. >>
Now now Jerry, all I do is provide information that disputes and puts to sleep your notion of the weak Yankee farm system.
CJ Henry was the biggest prospect in the deal. He was the Yankees #1 pick in the 2005 draft and has struggled in the minors. He has the most upside of all four however.
Did baseball tonight really need to spend the opening 10 minutes of the show analyzing this draft?
And I think Steve Phillips, the 'GM' on the show, really needs to come up for air - he was down so long on Abreu and Lidle I though he was going to pass out. He was saying what a tremendous move this was for the yankees, how it's a blockbuster deal, how Lidle is a great talent (someone about .500 with a 4.75 ERA?)
I really wish that Phillips guy would go away - even the normally low key (on the show, anyways) john kruk was getting sick of him.
Anyways, I don't see either of these guys being much of an upgrade for the yankees - seems to me to be a complete and total waste of payroll.
I really wonder how much this trade was about the Yankees acquiring need players, or how much of it was blocking other contenders from getting them. Abreu will fill a temporary need for them, but as has been mentioned, Matsui will be back soon and Melky/Bernie has been decent--not great--but decent. Lidle confuses me, except for the fact that Toronto coveted him, and with the Yankees getting him, that's one less pitcher the Jays will have.
This also makes me wonder how much Soriano's price has gone up. With Carlos Lee and now Abreu off the market, there's only one marquee name outfielder left. Teams still looking to add a bat must be panicking right now.
Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?
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<< <i>I really wonder how much this trade was about the Yankees acquiring need players, or how much of it was blocking other contenders from getting them. Abreu will fill a temporary need for them, but as has been mentioned, Matsui will be back soon and Melky/Bernie has been decent--not great--but decent. Lidle confuses me, except for the fact that Toronto coveted him, and with the Yankees getting him, that's one less pitcher the Jays will have.
This also makes me wonder how much Soriano's price has gone up. With Carlos Lee and now Abreu off the market, there's only one marquee name outfielder left. Teams still looking to add a bat must be panicking right now. >>
Well I live in DC, and for quite a while(seemingly since about a month and a half to two months into the season) Soriano has been saying he'd love to stay. Now, for a while I just thought of it as "He's playing here so he's gonna say that" but EVERYONE doubted he'd be able to put up numbers in RFK. He's Top 5 in homers and has 26 steals, another 30/30 season seems definite and his first 40-40 season isn't out of the question. He's also taken to the OF quite well. I know that the Nats would love to sign him, although I'm not sure how keen the new owners are to spending money on a 30 year old. IMO, he can easily become the face of the franchise(and in the majority; already is). I'd love to see him stay, who knows what'll happen.
Also, Sori's been batting up a storm as of late. Whereever he ends up, It'll cost a lot.
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Topps Is it true that the Nats have talked about moving Vidro? I dont know what their chances are doing that right now with him on the DL. But if that were the case and they wanted to make Soriano happy, it could be the move for them to keep Soriano so he could play 2B. Seem so Soriano is becoming by far a fan favorite in DC...so the amount of butts he would put in the seats could be worth the money? Not to mention the jerseys and other gift shop items....
It's not hard to think that Yanks won't pick up Sheffield's option for next year. Abreu's salary will replace Sheffields so any real loss there? I will miss the fear that Sheffield puts in the lineup but Abreu is an excellent all around player. You may see the HR's increase with his left handed bat in Yankee Stadium..plus Abreu gets on base and can swipe a few. He will do well in NY.
Hopefully Lidle will find some new enthusiasm in NY. He is certainly no worse than Randy Johnson with his 5+ ERA and having 11 wins with those horrible numbers.
yankeeno-There were slight rumblings of moving Vidro, but not to move Soriano back to 2B. It looks like other teams tried to play that card, but far and away Vidro is a better 2bagger than Sori and he hasn't had the fall-off as expected by many analysts from being moved into the outfield. He's said that he'd like to stay, as well as keep in the outfield. He said the only other team he'd play in the OF for was the Yankees; but there isn't any way a Yankee trade was going to materialize. I think it'd be in the best interests of the team/fanbase to keep Sori, b/c when he missed the first game due to "miscommunication" most fans thought it'd be a long year. He came out of the gates and continues to perform as well as could be expected. I think signing him will keep and add butts in the stands until the new stadium is built(right down the road from me) and then the Nats will be looked at even more ethusiastically by the fans in DC. For a while this season, questions about the team sale and possibly not getting a new stadium bogged down the fan support in the area, but it's definetly coming around. Everywhere in DC you see people wearing W hats and it's really catching on.
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Stark reported the Yankees will send the Phillies 20-year-old minor-league shortstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-league player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts. Abreu is owed $15 million for 2007 alone.
Abreu has a full no-trade clause in his contract and has the right to accept or reject the deal. In the past his agent has said any team trading for Abreu would have to pick up his $16 million option for 2008 to get him to waive the no-trade clause. However, Abreu himself recently has backed off that stance.
Abreu is hitting .277 with 8 home runs and 65 RBI in 99 games. He has a career batting average of .301 with 198 home runs and 841 RBI over 10 seasons.
Lidle, a right-hander, is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts in 2006. In eight seasons he has a career mark of 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA.
Abreu was in the Phillies' starting lineup Sunday but was pulled for Shane Victorino 10 minutes before their game with the Florida Marlins.
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Nah, there's nothing wrong with baseball's economic structure......
<< <i>wow, 3.5 hours. usually the salary police respond much quicker than that. >>
And 30 minutes for a yankee fan to defend the current setup.
<< <i>I think this is a good trade from the Yankees perspective. No Hughes in the deal. No Proctor in the deal. I don't think it can hurt them. >>
I agree. There are those who will focus on the money to rip the Yankees to shreads but from a baseball stand point the Yankees come out of this very well. And they got Lidle to boot for depth at the back of the rotation.
Again, I am estatic that Scott Proctor was not included in this deal as he was rumored to be.
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All I remember hearing was how bad Bowa was, and that he *had* to go...but here we are, and the Phils are still in the same situation?
At some point that blame has to be shifted to the players for not performing.
Matsui is expected back within a month, Sheffield should be back before the end of the season, and they already have Damon. Giambi can't be counted on to play 1B every day, so there goes your DH slot unless you stick one of the OF at 1B and take Andy Phillips out of the mix, and I don't see that happening daily. Bernie Williams is essentially finished for the season once Sheffield is back. Regardless, the Yankees haven't lost too many games because of their lack of offense, it's their pitching that sticks out as the biggest problem...
Which is why the inclusion of Lidle in the deal is even more puzzling. Lidle is a middle-of-the-road journeyman pitcher. Now on his 7th team in less than 10 seasons, he is just mediocre. Perhaps the Yankees figure that if he gives up 4-5 runs per game, they can just overcome it with their offense, but that isn't much security over the next 2 months while they are fighting for a playoff spot, or if they are forced to hand the ball to him to start a playoff game if they make the playoffs (I'd have to think he would get a playoff start over Wang or Wright, but really once they're past Mussina, it's slim pickings).
For the quality of prospects that they gave up, they certainly could have helped themselves more with a different deal than they did with this one. And that help should have been a better starting pitcher. Heck, Greg Maddux would have made a heck of a lot more sense than Bobby Abreu, and he would have been a lot cheaper. And Jose Guillen or Reggie Sanders could have provided the temporary OF bat for the stretch drive, again, much cheaper in terms of giving up prospects to acquire.
The Yankees are screwed. I'm not a hater, I dislike all other teams equally aside from my hometeam. I'm a realist, and it's pretty obvious... they are hanging onto a thread that has been splitting apart rapidly over the past year. The team has aged dramatically. They haven't won in several years and it's not going to happen this season or next - not until they overhaul the entire starting pitching staff. And now, they have literally no prospects to look forward to for years to come, and they have several long-term committments to dead-ass and/or overpriced players that they are now stuck with. Randy Johnson is there for another year, and he can't pitch effectively anymore. They're stuck with Wright through next season. They are stuck with Damon @ $13M/year through '09. Giambi is stuck there through '08 @ $21M/year plus the $5M to buy him out of '09. All of those guys are 100% untradable unless the Yankees eat a majority of the contracts.
I have to believe Cashman will resign or be fired after this season ends in disappointment for the Yankees again.
<< <i> (I'd have to think he would get a playoff start over Wang or Wright, but really once they're past Mussina, it's slim pickings).
Heck, Greg Maddux would have made a heck of a lot more sense than Bobby Abreu, and he would have been a lot cheaper.
And now, they have literally no prospects to look forward to for years to come, and they have several long-term committments to dead-ass and/or overpriced players that they are now stuck with. Randy Johnson is there for another year, and he can't pitch effectively anymore. They're stuck with Wright through next season. They are stuck with Damon @ $13M/year through '09. Giambi is stuck there through '08 @ $21M/year plus the $5M to buy him out of '09. All of those guys are 100% untradable unless the Yankees eat a majority of the contracts.
I have to believe Cashman will resign or be fired after this season ends in disappointment for the Yankees again. >>
yep, you and a looooong line of peeps constantly beat the "Yankees are screwed" drum... meanwhile they are breathing up the Red Sox a$$ through all of the injuries and "dead wood" you speak of Also, there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that Greg Maddux pitches in the AL. He has made that abuntantly clear over the years.
Your comment about no prospects to look forward to could not be more wrong if you tried. Enter Philip Hughes, Jose Tabata , Tyler Clippard , Christian Garcia all of whom are blue chip and it does not take alot of research to know this. PLEASE PLEASE guys try and know what the heck you are talking about ......
Also, ANOTHER in a long line who continually preach the Yankee are "stuck" with players such as Damon and Giambi. Was that Damon belting 2 upper deck shots today? Gee, glad we are "stuck" with him.
You are 100% cluless in your anaylsis of Brian Cashman's job and situation. I have NO problem with Yankee haters and bashers. I just wish most of them knew what they are talking about
oh, and if you think that Lidle would get a start over Chein Mein Wang in the post season then all I have to say that THAT in itself is the biggest and most glaring proof that you really have no idea ......
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<< <i>When does it become apparent it's not the manager's fault?
All I remember hearing was how bad Bowa was, and that he *had* to go...but here we are, and the Phils are still in the same situation?
At some point that blame has to be shifted to the players for not performing. >>
I gotta basically agree with you. I was not one of those anti-Bowa fans but I realize that Bowa really cut his own throat. I think though a "smart" more controlled Bowa type is what is needed as manager. But they just badly need pitching as well. There are some bright spots of course on the team but almost every MLB team has bright spots. With the Phillies it's just not close to being good enough.
Im sorry fellow Yankee fans, but this crap is beginning to really get to me. Maybe they should have an inscription on the outside of Yankee stadium similar to the one at the statue of liberty. It can read " Give me your tired, your really, really not poor, your huddled (and spoiled) masses........"
-- Yogi Berra
Sheffield will be gone next year. He is probably seething.
<< <i>Sheffield will be gone next year. He is probably seething. >>
He is more than welcome to leave right now if I had a say.
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<< <i>I have no use for the move today to be honest. They didnt need another bat, no matter what way they try to spin it. It all begins and ends with pitching. Now they have another big contract, and too many outfielders once Matsui and that other guy return.
Im sorry fellow Yankee fans, but this crap is beginning to really get to me. Maybe they should have an inscription on the outside of Yankee stadium similar to the one at the statue of liberty. It can read " Give me your tired, your really, really not poor, your huddled (and spoiled) masses........" >>
nah, the Yankees did not give in a trade good pitching and solidified the outfield that has improved the defense as Abreu has a good arm .... something the Yankees are lacking in. And Bri, if you are actually expecting Sheffield and Matsui to return like they never left I can tell you its not gonna happen. Not both of them and especially Matsui. I don't care what he says.That wrist went through way too much trauma to come back and effectivley swing the lumber this year. Sheffield is gone next year you can bank on that.
What are you getting tired of Bri? Its not like the Yankees traded Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps here. This is a solid move. No major league players given up and only marginal prospects. They get a better end of the rotation starter then we have had all year and Abreu has one of the best On Base percentages in baseball every year. Look at his average .... not his career average but that on base percentage is SOLID.
Now, if you want to be the Boy Scout and yell about the salary then that is another story. Besides the obvious salary jump this was a solid move in a market VOID of deals and especially pitching.
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Abreu isn't the key at the moment in this deal, it's journeyman Lidle - even the Red Sox had a passing interest in him because there is absolutely no pitching available anywhere. Lidle may indeed be average at best, but he's a tremendous upgrade over most of the Yankee staff.
ESPN's John Kruk analyzed the trade by saying the Red Sox are still the better team, but this trade might make them do something to counter from an offensive standpoint, and that could hurt their top notch team defense. I wouldn't be surprised if that means the Sox end up with Julio Lugo from Tampa Bay - he's one of the best young SS in baseball and a lock to be traded according to reports. I would much rather they stand pat (if a pitcher can be had, that's another story) with the team they have right now.
I know the Phillies wanted desperately to dump Abreu's salary, but they got basically nothing in return here. Four mediocre prospects from (according to Dan) the all-of-a-sudden mighty Yankee farm system. If I was a Phillies fan, I wouldn't be too happy tonight.
<< <i>I know the Phillies wanted desperately to dump Abreu's salary, but they got basically nothing in return here. Four mediocre prospects from (according to Dan) the all-of-a-sudden mighty Yankee farm system. If I was a Phillies fan, I wouldn't be too happy tonight. >>
Now now Jerry, all I do is provide information that disputes and puts to sleep your notion of the weak Yankee farm system.
CJ Henry was the biggest prospect in the deal. He was the Yankees #1 pick in the 2005 draft and has struggled in the minors. He has the most upside of all four however.
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And I think Steve Phillips, the 'GM' on the show, really needs to come up for air - he was down so long on Abreu and Lidle I though he was going to pass out. He was saying what a tremendous move this was for the yankees, how it's a blockbuster deal, how Lidle is a great talent (someone about .500 with a 4.75 ERA?)
I really wish that Phillips guy would go away - even the normally low key (on the show, anyways) john kruk was getting sick of him.
Anyways, I don't see either of these guys being much of an upgrade for the yankees - seems to me to be a complete and total waste of payroll.
This also makes me wonder how much Soriano's price has gone up. With Carlos Lee and now Abreu off the market, there's only one marquee name outfielder left. Teams still looking to add a bat must be panicking right now.
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Anyways, I don't see either of these guys being much of an upgrade for the yankees - seems to me to be a complete and total waste of payroll. >>
That may be a valid arguement against this deal. It adds more payroll. But as far as a baseball move in this dry market? It was a solid move.
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<< <i>I really wonder how much this trade was about the Yankees acquiring need players, or how much of it was blocking other contenders from getting them. Abreu will fill a temporary need for them, but as has been mentioned, Matsui will be back soon and Melky/Bernie has been decent--not great--but decent. Lidle confuses me, except for the fact that Toronto coveted him, and with the Yankees getting him, that's one less pitcher the Jays will have.
This also makes me wonder how much Soriano's price has gone up. With Carlos Lee and now Abreu off the market, there's only one marquee name outfielder left. Teams still looking to add a bat must be panicking right now. >>
Well I live in DC, and for quite a while(seemingly since about a month and a half to two months into the season) Soriano has been saying he'd love to stay. Now, for a while I just thought of it as "He's playing here so he's gonna say that" but EVERYONE doubted he'd be able to put up numbers in RFK. He's Top 5 in homers and has 26 steals, another 30/30 season seems definite and his first 40-40 season isn't out of the question. He's also taken to the OF quite well. I know that the Nats would love to sign him, although I'm not sure how keen the new owners are to spending money on a 30 year old. IMO, he can easily become the face of the franchise(and in the majority; already is). I'd love to see him stay, who knows what'll happen.
Also, Sori's been batting up a storm as of late. Whereever he ends up, It'll cost a lot.
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Is it true that the Nats have talked about moving Vidro? I dont know what their chances are doing that right now with him on the DL. But if that were the case and they wanted to make Soriano happy, it could be the move for them to keep Soriano so he could play 2B. Seem so Soriano is becoming by far a fan favorite in DC...so the amount of butts he would put in the seats could be worth the money? Not to mention the jerseys and other gift shop items....
It's not hard to think that Yanks won't pick up Sheffield's option for next year. Abreu's salary will replace Sheffields so any real loss there? I will miss the fear that Sheffield puts in the lineup but Abreu is an excellent all around player. You may see the HR's increase with his left handed bat in Yankee Stadium..plus Abreu gets on base and can swipe a few. He will do well in NY.
Hopefully Lidle will find some new enthusiasm in NY. He is certainly no worse than Randy Johnson with his 5+ ERA and having 11 wins with those horrible numbers.
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Looking for Topps rookies as well.
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