A New PCGS 1953-S MS65FBL Half?
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Given the cert #, this looks like the most recent (#20) PCGS graded '53-S MS65FBL Franklin. And note, it wasn't show graded.
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I’ve seen several of the MS64FBL and MS65FBL ’53-Ss graded by PCGS, and noticed the FBL come in at least two, distinct ways. For the both, the three lines to the left of the crack are full, and distinct. The difference is to the left of the crack. In one version, the lines to the left of the crack, and those on the far left are full, but the lines in the middle, between these areas is very mushy. In the other version, the lines to the left of the crack are full, but just to the left of the crack, two of the three lines are very mushy.
Anyone else notice this, or seen another version?
I haven't seen the coin in the current auction in person. I hope to see it in Denver.
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edited to add:
I’ve seen several of the MS64FBL and MS65FBL ’53-Ss graded by PCGS, and noticed the FBL come in at least two, distinct ways. For the both, the three lines to the left of the crack are full, and distinct. The difference is to the left of the crack. In one version, the lines to the left of the crack, and those on the far left are full, but the lines in the middle, between these areas is very mushy. In the other version, the lines to the left of the crack are full, but just to the left of the crack, two of the three lines are very mushy.
Anyone else notice this, or seen another version?
I haven't seen the coin in the current auction in person. I hope to see it in Denver.
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"splain please.
The cert # for coins that are show graded start with 500, 501 or 502, this cert # starts with 101, indicating it is a recently graded coin.
<< <i>"splain please"
The cert # for coins that are show graded start with 500, 501 or 502, this cert # starts with 101, indicating it is a recently graded coin. >>
So what? Is show grading supposed to be looser or tighter?
Don't know. Many expensive Franklins are show graded. Just an observation, nothing to read into it.
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9 of the 35 Franklins in my MSFBL set were show graded; my '53-S in MS65FBL was not show graded.FBL
10 of the 35 Franklins in my MS (no FBL bonus) set were show graded. No FBL Bonus
I'd be willing to bet this was a regrade submission, as I doubt anyone would crack out a 1953S MS64FBL Franklin.
Interesting ... I agree, it would take a lot of "something"
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I just checked the NGC "census" and they now list 3 '53-Ss that they've graded MS65FB; it has been 2 for a long timeL. None in any other grades, I don't recall ever seeing any NGC '53-S FBLS that weren't 65FBL.
BTW, has anyone ever seen one of the NGC graded '53-S MS65FBLs? I've never seen one.
What are the odds this coin is original?
<< <i>What are the odds this coin is original?
I would say pretty good. White 1953-S's are not uncommon, as rolls were saved in decent numbers. The other variety you will see is mint set toners. I have a few white '53-S Halves, and I must say with original frosty lustre they're quite nice.
'53-Ss, can come very, very nice (just not with the FBL feature)- I have a MS66 in my "non-FBL bonus" set that is blast white, with superb luster, and is about as close as you get to a MS67, and not get the grade (it was show graded at least 3 times before the crackout guy gave up and sold it to me; but alias it is not even close to FBL).
Anyway, the '53-S is one of the easier Franklins to find nice in MS65 and MS66. It can come blast white with nice luster, or with a subdued, much less appealing, satiny look.
Anout 7 years ago, I bought an original roll of '53-Ss, all blast white, with great luster. I showed two them to one of the top Franklin specialists at the time (he's no longer on the circuit), and he offered $$$$ (a lot for each) if they came back FBL- they were close. No cigar, just MS65s.
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<< <i>Id be willing to be this was a regrade submission, as I doubt anyone would crack out a 1953S MS64FBL Franklin.
Interesting ... I agree, it would take a lot of "something"
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I just checked the NGC "census" and they now list 3 '53-Ss that they've graded MS65FB; it has been 2 for a long timeL. None in any other grades, I don't recall ever seeing any NGC '53-S FBLS that weren't 65FBL.
BTW, has anyone ever seen one of the NGC graded '53-S MS65FBLs? I've never seen one. >>
That is interesting. I wonder if it could be the same coin, crossed from PCGS64FB to NGC65FB then to PCGS65FB? I don't know. Looking through some past auction records I can't seem to find this coin anywhere. It would seem to me that it would be easy to identify by the chips over Franklin's eye.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>That is interesting. I wonder if it could be the same coin, crossed from PCGS64FB to NGC65FB then to PCGS65FB? I don't know. Looking through some past auction records I can't seem to find this coin anywhere. It would seem to me that it would be easy to identify by the chips over Franklin's eye. >>
That huge rim hit on the bell would easily identify the coin.
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BTW, when someone says they have an FBL '53-S that is not actually designated FBL, it usually looks like one of these, but a tad weaker or so.
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<< <i>"splain please"
The cert # for coins that are show graded start with 500, 501 or 502, this cert # starts with 101, indicating it is a recently graded coin. >>
So what? Is show grading supposed to be looser or tighter? >>
Get up on the wrong side of the bed Carey???
<< <i><< What are the odds this coin is original? >>
I would say pretty good. White 1953-S's are not uncommon, as rolls were saved in decent numbers. >>
Well, now I don't feel so bad. This coin doesn't have a hint of toning anywhere, but now that I think about it don't recall ever seeing any 53-S Franklins with toning.
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<< <i><< What are the odds this coin is original? >>
I would say pretty good. White 1953-S's are not uncommon, as rolls were saved in decent numbers. >>
Well, now I don't feel so bad. This coin doesn't have a hint of toning anywhere, but now that I think about it don't recall ever seeing any 53-S Franklins with toning. >>
The sole MS66FBL is a mint set toner. Check it out. If re-auctioned today I think it would break six digit ground.
Russ, NCNE
There are some around with toning. but most are not attractively toned. Much easier to find a nice white one. I had a really nicely (very attractively toned) '53-S in PCGS MS66
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<< <i>Now, now, don't be dissin' that coin.
Russ, NCNE >>
Maybe JHF should buy the coin to get it off the market -- like he did with the "100k" FS nickel!
<< <i>Given the cert #, this looks like the most recent (#20) PCGS graded '53-S MS65FBL Franklin. And note, it wasn't show graded.
Auction Listing
edited to add:
I’ve seen several of the MS64FBL and MS65FBL ’53-Ss graded by PCGS, and noticed the FBL come in at least two, distinct ways. For the both, the three lines to the left of the crack are full, and distinct. The difference is to the left of the crack. In one version, the lines to the left of the crack, and those on the far left are full, but the lines in the middle, between these areas is very mushy. In the other version, the lines to the left of the crack are full, but just to the left of the crack, two of the three lines are very mushy.
Anyone else notice this, or seen another version?
I haven't seen the coin in the current auction in person. I hope to see it in Denver. >>
Never thought of it, but now that you mention it, I agree with you. Those two areas you mention are the soft spots for FBL, one or the other, but usually not both.
I have seen another version of FBL, those that are absolutely misgraded and are not FBL. Most recent example I can think of is the coin that was in the auctions at FUN '06. I've seen 4 that fit this category, and I can remember what two of them look like, and interesting that neither would fit your categories.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>HOLY CRAP! Internet bidding closed at $32,200! I wonder what the MS66FBL would bring if it came to market right now.
Russ, NCNE >>
That's clearly a fluke and no reason to update the price guide.
<< <i>That's clearly a fluke and no reason to update the price guide. >>
Bite me™.
Russ, NCNE
Having seen a number of these (i.e., '53-S FBLs in person), I can't tell from the pic, but given somne of what I can see on the coin, I have a pretty good idea of what the lines on this coin look like. Has anyone, that knows franklin halves seen this coin in person?
Russ must be happy
<< <i>The sole MS66FBL is a mint set toner. Check it out. If re-auctioned today I think it would break six digit ground. >>
Not really. At least that is not what I was told by the "maker", of the 66FBL. He said it was AT.
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