<< <i>What a surprise. Another whining thread created by Blindbuyer complaining about how he was ripped off because the $3 he spent for supposedly vintage HIGH GRADE raw cards didn't turn out to be PSA gems afterall.
If you don't like people throwing their two cents into VERY POOR buying habits (ie, never asking for additional pictures/scans and hoping to get something for nothing), go create your own board. You've been here all of a month and you're going to tell others what they can or cannot say around here? >>
I bought a 1973 raw Lydell Mitchell for $0.99 from a seller describing the card as nrmt- never asked for additional pitctures, etc.. Sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 10. Does that mean I have VERY POOR buying habits too? 1960/1973 makes absolutely no difference.
Come on now, all the guy is asking for is to deliver what you advertise. The price has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. If you don't deliver what you advertise then expect to be asked for a refund. >>
Looks to me the guy received what was pictured in the auction. If I describe a card as near mint to mint, but the image I show is of a card that's badly creased or has a dinged corner, which card are you expecting me to send you?
<< <i>What a surprise. Another whining thread created by Blindbuyer complaining about how he was ripped off because the $3 he spent for supposedly vintage HIGH GRADE raw cards didn't turn out to be PSA gems afterall.
If you don't like people throwing their two cents into VERY POOR buying habits (ie, never asking for additional pictures/scans and hoping to get something for nothing), go create your own board. You've been here all of a month and you're going to tell others what they can or cannot say around here? >>
I bought a 1973 raw Lydell Mitchell for $0.99 from a seller describing the card as nrmt- never asked for additional pitctures, etc.. Sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 10. Does that mean I have VERY POOR buying habits too? 1960/1973 makes absolutely no difference.
Come on now, all the guy is asking for is to deliver what you advertise. The price has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. If you don't deliver what you advertise then expect to be asked for a refund. >>
Looks to me the guy received what was pictured in the auction. If I describe a card as near mint to mint, but the image I show is of a card that's badly creased or has a dinged corner, which card are you expecting me to send you? >>
I hate PSA title spammers on Ebay as much as the next person, but I'm just tired of Blindbuyer complaining about buying raw cards and being surprised they didn't meet his expectations.
All you have to do is take a look at the image the seller provided in the auction to figure out it wasn't a candidate for PSA submission. Why he placed a bid thinking he would get something different is beyond me.
blindflyer: Point taken.....I don't blame you for being pissed off at how the seller responded to your email. He should have simply stated that in his opinion the card(s) were in the condition he stated. I agree with you that his email was way too harsh for an initial response to your request. Rich
<< <i>I hate PSA title spammers on Ebay as much as the next person, but I'm just tired of Blindbuyer complaining about buying raw cards and being surprised they didn't meet his expectations.
All you have to do is take a look at the image the seller provided in the auction to figure out it wasn't a candidate for PSA submission. Why he placed a bid thinking he would get something different is beyond me. >>
BigHurt, you're intentionally just trying to piss me off. Go pick on someone else. Why don't you actually READ this thread. I was not surprised that my expectations weren't met nor was i complaining about buying raw cards that let me down. In fact, I clearly stated that I had since learned my lesson.
I was pissed about the threat and wanted to know how to get the guy back.
I have a great idea for you --- if you see me post a thread, don't open it. Ignore it. Then you won't have to be "tired" of me saying and doing things that I'm not actually saying or doing.
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
well he's a power seller, which gives him a license to kill. he keyword spams, and lies about the potential "grades" of the cards.
BULL!!!
I reported a power seller the other day for displaying the Paypal logos then saying he no longer accepts paypal in the listing ALL 1037 of his listings were pulled. Power Seller get no real benefits aside from that logo, which I never displayed because I noticed a drop in sales when I displayed.
I would go with not recieving the item, even if he already emailed the seller and said he recieved it. Paypal only looks at one thing and that is the DC number, if it does not show as delivered then Paypal will side with the buyer in 100% of the cases.
<< <i>well he's a power seller, which gives him a license to kill. he keyword spams, and lies about the potential "grades" of the cards.
BULL!!!
I reported a power seller the other day for displaying the Paypal logos then saying he no longer accepts paypal in the listing ALL 1037 of his listings were pulled. Power Seller get no real benefits aside from that logo, which I never displayed because I noticed a drop in sales when I displayed. >>
that was my opinion, which has been supported by anecdotal evidence, noted: (from my experience reporting them)
a while ago, i got tired of stepping in $hit on ebay. i reported no less than 100 auctions of stuff i ran across, ranging from counterfeit cards to keyword spamming to people charging paypal surcharges. about half of the auctions run by "little people" got pulled, but not a single auction run by a powerseller got pulled so i stopped reporting them.
This is why I have 5 total IDs on Ebay. 1 for selling, 1 for buying, and 3 to destroy those who have screwed me over. This seller is just a complete A-hole and he would of had most of his auctions sabotaged with an onslaught of negs to come. Yes, I have no life and will stoop to their level. All in all, it would make me feel better and he deserves it.
"I don't blame the seller for threatening to give negative feedback. Feedback is suppose to reflect the overall transaction. With this said, he sees you as being the problem."
Under that theory, no buyer would EVER be entitled to leave negative FB.
That is just one thing that is broken about the FB system.
If a buyer does his part by paying, the seller needs to deliver the goods as promised. If the seller fails, the buyer might be right in leaving NEGs, but few do because sellers view a complaint of any kind as license to leave retal negs.
Do not get me wrong: I KNOW that MANY buyers are dirtbags, but the ones who are not get turned off to eBay when they realize that if "things go wrong" they put their reps in jeopardy if they complain.
AND bf: PLEASE do NOT buy anymore raw cards for $5.00 and think that they will be worth a darn. If somebody mentions "PSA" and is selling raw cards, RUN AWAY fast. If someone has "PSA?" in the title of a raw card, report the bum to eBay IMMEDIATELY so that others do not get shafted. You are not a novice eBayer, so you already know that there are a BUNCH of trashy sellers on there --- avoid them by relying on your experience.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i> AND bf: PLEASE do NOT buy anymore raw cards for $5.00 and think that they will be worth a darn. If somebody mentions "PSA" and is selling raw cards, RUN AWAY fast. If someone has "PSA?" in the title of a raw card, report the bum to eBay IMMEDIATELY so that others do not get shafted. You are not a novice eBayer, so you already know that there are a BUNCH of trashy sellers on there --- avoid them by relying on your experience.
storm >>
Duly noted, sir.
I will add that these cards were purchased at the same time my other intial batch of raw cards were purchased (see my previous thread). i did learn from that post --- I don't want to think we went through that entire post only to find me buying crappy vintage cards again.
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Rich G and the other sellers that do not leave feedback after payment is received are a big part of the feedback problem ... negative feedback rarely happens "out of the blue for no reason" and if it happens to you too much you are obviously selling to the wrong market - immature morons.
But then again, so are the sellers that hold feedback hostage, and that is EXACTLY what Rich G and others are doing.
"....negative feedback rarely happens "out of the blue for no reason" ...
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I fear that is true.
IF I could find one legitimate reason NOT to leave FB after I have been paid, I might act on it. But, I cannot find such a reason.
The FACT that a bad buyer "might" hit me with a neg, is simply not a legit reason.
If somebody comes into my store and pays at the register, I do not wait until the next time they stop by to thank them. If I waited until they got their purchase home b4 I said thanks, they would think I was nuts.
Once an eBay buyer pays, the burden is on me; I do not know why that is so tough for so many folks to see.
Having bought and sold on eBay for a long time, I know that my view is in the minority; but, the tide is turning a little bit as I have noticed more sellers "taking the risk" of leaving FB first.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
eaglesports: Maybe you didn't read what I had to say........As a seller, I'm not holding a buyer hostage. I'm simply waiting to leave feedback until the WHOLE transaction is complete. Only a fool leaves premature feedback. Rich
<< <i>eaglesports: Maybe you didn't read what I had to say........As a seller, I'm not holding a buyer hostage. I'm simply waiting to leave feedback until the WHOLE transaction is complete. Only a fool leaves premature feedback. Rich >>
Thats just BS..............I leave feedback as soon as the item is payed for by the buyer, and I send the item out..................I do not have to worry about negative feedback...........The buyer is going to get their item whcih was exactly and concisely described in the auction, well packaged and in a timely matter. If in a rare case of a complaint I will offer immediate refund.
Ebay transactions to date for me = 2858.............2 of which were negative. ( and I deserved one of them)
I have noticed that a HIGHER % of sellers who wait before giving feedback are questionable, borderline sellers who receive more then usual negative feedback.
Collector of:Baseball 1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete - Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
Rich G and the other sellers that do not leave feedback after payment is received are a big part of the feedback problem
Feedback is based on the whole transaction, just because a buyer paid fast does not mean he deserves a positive, he has not fulfilled the entire transaction.
On one of the Ebay message boards there is a list of about 30 different scenarios that can and will happen where even though the buyer paid he does not deserve a positive.
Look at my incident with Paypal. The buyer was selling on another ID then using that money to buy on Ebay. 2 weeks later when Paypal caught up with him Paypal took the money from my account to repay the buyers HE screwed. Does this scammer deserve a positive??
Buyer gets an item switches it for a non-working item and tells Paypal it does not work. Paypal makes you give a refund. Does this buyer deserve a positive??
If I had time I would list many more reasons. I will not leave feedback first as I am on Ebay to sell items and buy items not feedback. I could care less about feedback.
Wizards: Not only did you hit it on the nose regarding feedback being optional, but the example you provided was great. I too have seen and heard of many examples of how a seller can get screwed by a buyer or held hostage for leaving premature feedback. Rich
Maybe you didn't read what I had to say........As a seller, I'm not holding a buyer hostage. I'm simply waiting to leave feedback until the WHOLE transaction is complete. Only a fool leaves premature feedback.
When is the "whole" transaction complete? When the buyer leaves you feedback first? If so - that is really weak.
Only a nervous nellie doesn't leave feedback after the payment is received. It is usually those guys that worry about the most trivial things such as negative feedback (oooooh, scary) that typically on edge about other aspects in life. Just relax ...
Thank you goose for going through the trouble. I will report this batch as well.
"So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve
I guess that really means that unless the buyer goes along with whatever a seller does, that buyer can never get positive FB.
Please Remember: This discussion is NOT about the sellers that are giving their views in this thread. NONE of those sellers are presumed to be "bad sellers," just because they have a different view about FB. Also, that "different view" represents the view of the VAST majority of sellers on eBay who simply do NOT leave FB first.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
eaglesports: If you don't get premature feedback from a seller like you hoped, remember three things 1)Feedback is optional 2)Feedback is meant to rate the whole transaction. It's hard to rate the whole transaction until the transaction is complete. 3)Feedback is optioonal, so just relax if someone chooses not to leave it. Rich
That Dan Marino auction is still up. None have been taken down yet as far as I can see
"So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve
I reported all of his auctions too. Yesterday, and again today under another account. If nothing else out of all this he will be losing business from all of us and having a fun time dealing with ebay too.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
I am strictly a buyer but I see this issue from both sides. If the buyer and seller are both reasonable people it usually works out fine. But, you can obviously run into unreasonable buyers and sellers out there. I don't usually get hung up on feedback. When I get my item and am satisfied I just leave feedback without really checking to see if the seller has left it for me. For that reason I have left more than I have recieved, but am still at 100 % after 550 purchases. I guess that is in part because as a buyer only I can be more choosey about who to bid with
The only times I have not automatically left feedback when I received the item is when the seller has sent me something during the transaction or with the item that specifically says they will not leave feedback until they know I am satified and they will know that only after I leave positive feedback. In those cases I will send a note that I have the item and am satisified, but I do not leave feedback unless they do first. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they do not....and if they don't, I don't. Silly and stubborn of me maybe, but that's what I do.
"That Dan Marino auction is still up. None have been taken down yet as far as I can see."
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The eBay Trust & Safety Dept. is very busy right now.
They have been forced to go into the thought police business. MANY malcontent sellers have been listing thousands of auctions that contain the words "fee hike." These insurgent sellers are protesting the needed fee hikes that eBay has been forced to institute due to its share prices being under assault by misguided investors.
Each of the improper listings has to be removed quickly because the NATIONAL media might get the wrong idea about the depth of the insurgents' support. MANY auctions are garnering THOUSANDS of watchers and HUNDREDS of bidders in just a matter of a few hours.
As fast as the thought cops ZAP these improper listings, two more are springing up. These security people really have no choice now but to ingnore consumer fraud and concentrate on what is really important.
Until last week, almost 90% of listings on eBay were "store listings." The "balance" is now being restored, but it will be a long fight. Many more stores and their radical owners must be "degraded," if eBay is to be the best that it can be.
The allegations that auctions no longer work for sellers on eBay is just propaganda spewed by the malcontents; eBay auctions work GREAT - eBay collects the fees and the sellers give their items away for below wholesale prices. What could work better?
The crazy complainers are NOW going to target the listers in Red China. The FACT that the good communists are NOW allowed to LIST THEIR ITEMS for free, while Americans' stores are picking up the tab, is just the way it has to be if our favorite venue is to grow and prosper. Fraud-rates on listings from Red China are ONLY exponetially greater than fraud-rates on American listings, but that is just because the comrades need to be educated about how eBay works. Once the sellers in China undertsand the system, their rate of fraudulent listings should be only slightly higher than that seen in former Eastern Block sellers.
"PSA?" spammers, must be put on the back-burner for a while. eBay is working hard for all of us, and we all need to be patient and continue to show our support.
The best way to help is to close your store and list all of your items in the CORE listing formats. You will lose all of your money, but you will be able to make most of it back once eBay has silenced the insurgents.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
I am glad so many of us jumped in to get on this dirt bag's case.
If anyone else has a bad experience and gets threatened, treated badly or unfairly separated from their money on ebay and has tried all avenues of getting recompensated but still has no success, then try the Forum members and we will go ballistic on this seller.
We will help you get your money back with all the advice we have, sure, but if all else fails, then we will look at the sellers auctions and see what faults we can find and just report him over and over and over.
We offer solace and compassion on these boards, but we know that some poetic justice with teeth is also needed in order to keep the universe in balance with good triumphing over evil. Being passive when we hear our fellow collector's suffer is the worst thing we can do.
"So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve
I often think that some of our efforts would be more useful if those efforts were a bit more clandestine. Sometimes, folks may be setting themselves up for retal by evil-doers if they publicly state on this board that they are "turning somebody in."
A universal code word - something like "pirate alert" - could be issued with links to the offenders and any relevant numbers for batch reporting. This way, no one individual would "claim credit" for the deed and the chances of retals would be diminished. I suspect that many people are already being helpful to the cause without saying so hereabouts.
Pirate-Busting is a good thing, and being a Pirate-Buster is an honorable calling.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Just remember: He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it in the future
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>I am glad so many of us jumped in to get on this dirt bag's case.
If anyone else has a bad experience and gets threatened, treated badly or unfairly separated from their money on ebay and has tried all avenues of getting recompensated but still has no success, then try the Forum members and we will go ballistic on this seller.
We will help you get your money back with all the advice we have, sure, but if all else fails, then we will look at the sellers auctions and see what faults we can find and just report him over and over and over.
We offer solace and compassion on these boards, but we know that some poetic justice with teeth is also needed in order to keep the universe in balance with good triumphing over evil. Being passive when we hear our fellow collector's suffer is the worst thing we can do. >>
Guys, seriously ..... I really appreciate your support. Goose, Deutch and others willing to take action against scumbag sellers is really the only way we can help weed them out of ebay. It's a huge uphill battle, but this is how/where it starts. You guys are fantastic, thanks!
PS I am also reporting this guy and will continue to beat on him in every way possible.
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
There is going to be a lot of work for all great pirate-busters.
China is likely to soon flood us with eBay auctions for near perfect counterfeit cards. There are now thousands of auctions everyday for counterfeit coins/stamps coming from Red China sellers.
Perfect counterfeiting of the most famous card-holders is probably moments away.
eBay will do nothing to stop the crimes. It is up to the Pirate Busters.
Here are the eBay incentives to Red China, TODAY !!!
Basic US site: $15.95 / China site: FREE
Featured US site:$49.95 / China site: $18.79 USD
Anchor US site: $499.95 / China site: $62.64 USD
Affirmative action for ChiCom crimelords; courtesy of eBay.
Pirate Busters Unite ! But keep it private.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
you are right. Best keep our reporting private. However, someone must do the rallying cry and post the auction numbers in bundles for everyone else to feed off of.
I am sure others have reported besides us since we made it easy by providing the auction numbers.
I empathize with Blindflyer, since I have gotten burned too--heck, we all have one form or another.
"So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve
"Best keep our reporting private. However, someone must do the rallying cry and post the auction numbers in bundles for everyone else to feed off of."
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Yup.
It will be "safest," if no one uses the phrase, "I reported them."
The bundling can be done just like always. The discussions will not change. Just no "admissions" of having taken action.
Folks who chose to do so, will then do the reporting.
NOTE: I am not trying to set rules. I am trying to keep Pirate Busters safe, and prevent bad eBayers from messing with whistle-blowers' selling/buying activities. Such retal is fairly rampant on many of the eBay boards; if you say something a bad-guy does not like, all of your BINs can go poof and you will have no recourse. (Alternate IDs are no protection; and, it is VERY EZ to learn the eBay IDs of many of the CU posters.)
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Comments
whether new or old to the hobby - ebay - cards or whatever - some of the stuff they say or do may seem a bit silly.
They may even repeat the same mistake and come back again.
Last I checked - no one pays by the word here and there's no dues.
I enjoy reading the different opinions but in some of the posts, I detect a tinge of unfair judgement, sarcasm, animosity etc.
Why? What has anyone done to deserve this?
Would anyone talk to a friend in person this way?
I'm appealing to your good hearts and sense of fair play.
Blindman is deserving of that - just like any one else who will eventually come here looking for advice or perhaps, just a little slice of solace.
mike
<< <i>
...it is exhortion and in complete violation of ebay rules.... >>
I've been trying to focus on the issue, and I completely agree with Mike, but...
...dude...
the word is extortion.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
burn his shop down!
the guy knows EXACTLY what he is doing........
<< <i>
<< <i>What a surprise. Another whining thread created by Blindbuyer complaining about how he was ripped off because the $3 he spent for supposedly vintage HIGH GRADE raw cards didn't turn out to be PSA gems afterall.
If you don't like people throwing their two cents into VERY POOR buying habits (ie, never asking for additional pictures/scans and hoping to get something for nothing), go create your own board. You've been here all of a month and you're going to tell others what they can or cannot say around here? >>
I bought a 1973 raw Lydell Mitchell for $0.99 from a seller describing the card as nrmt- never asked for additional pitctures, etc.. Sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 10. Does that mean I have VERY POOR buying habits too? 1960/1973 makes absolutely no difference.
Come on now, all the guy is asking for is to deliver what you advertise. The price has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. If you don't deliver what you advertise then expect to be asked for a refund. >>
Looks to me the guy received what was pictured in the auction. If I describe a card as near mint to mint, but the image I show is of a card that's badly creased or has a dinged corner, which card are you expecting me to send you?
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>What a surprise. Another whining thread created by Blindbuyer complaining about how he was ripped off because the $3 he spent for supposedly vintage HIGH GRADE raw cards didn't turn out to be PSA gems afterall.
If you don't like people throwing their two cents into VERY POOR buying habits (ie, never asking for additional pictures/scans and hoping to get something for nothing), go create your own board. You've been here all of a month and you're going to tell others what they can or cannot say around here? >>
I bought a 1973 raw Lydell Mitchell for $0.99 from a seller describing the card as nrmt- never asked for additional pitctures, etc.. Sent it in to PSA and it came back a PSA 10. Does that mean I have VERY POOR buying habits too? 1960/1973 makes absolutely no difference.
Come on now, all the guy is asking for is to deliver what you advertise. The price has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. If you don't deliver what you advertise then expect to be asked for a refund. >>
Looks to me the guy received what was pictured in the auction. If I describe a card as near mint to mint, but the image I show is of a card that's badly creased or has a dinged corner, which card are you expecting me to send you? >>
<< <i>HI GRADE TOPPS 1960 #53 JACKIE BRANDT PIRATES PSA 10? >>
DaBig
The guy may have gone a bit overboard with the ebay title?
mike
All you have to do is take a look at the image the seller provided in the auction to figure out it wasn't a candidate for PSA submission. Why he placed a bid thinking he would get something different is beyond me.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Point taken.....I don't blame you for being pissed off at how the seller responded to your email. He should have simply stated that in his opinion the card(s) were in the condition he stated.
I agree with you that his email was way too harsh for an initial response to your request.
Rich
<< <i>I hate PSA title spammers on Ebay as much as the next person, but I'm just tired of Blindbuyer complaining about buying raw cards and being surprised they didn't meet his expectations.
All you have to do is take a look at the image the seller provided in the auction to figure out it wasn't a candidate for PSA submission. Why he placed a bid thinking he would get something different is beyond me. >>
BigHurt, you're intentionally just trying to piss me off. Go pick on someone else. Why don't you actually READ this thread. I was not surprised that my expectations weren't met nor was i complaining about buying raw cards that let me down. In fact, I clearly stated that I had since learned my lesson.
I was pissed about the threat and wanted to know how to get the guy back.
I have a great idea for you --- if you see me post a thread, don't open it. Ignore it. Then you won't have to be "tired" of me saying and doing things that I'm not actually saying or doing.
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
BULL!!!
I reported a power seller the other day for displaying the Paypal logos then saying he no longer accepts paypal in the listing ALL 1037 of his listings were pulled. Power Seller get no real benefits aside from that logo, which I never displayed because I noticed a drop in sales when I displayed.
I would go with not recieving the item, even if he already emailed the seller and said he recieved it. Paypal only looks at one thing and that is the DC number, if it does not show as delivered then Paypal will side with the buyer in 100% of the cases.
<< <i>well he's a power seller, which gives him a license to kill. he keyword spams, and lies about the potential "grades" of the cards.
BULL!!!
I reported a power seller the other day for displaying the Paypal logos then saying he no longer accepts paypal in the listing ALL 1037 of his listings were pulled. Power Seller get no real benefits aside from that logo, which I never displayed because I noticed a drop in sales when I displayed. >>
that was my opinion, which has been supported by anecdotal evidence, noted: (from my experience reporting them)
a while ago, i got tired of stepping in $hit on ebay. i reported no less than 100 auctions of stuff i ran across, ranging from counterfeit cards to keyword spamming to people charging paypal surcharges. about half of the auctions run by "little people" got pulled, but not a single auction run by a powerseller got pulled so i stopped reporting them.
- Joe
"I don't blame the seller for threatening to give negative feedback.
Feedback is suppose to reflect the overall transaction. With this said,
he sees you as being the problem."
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Under that theory, no buyer would EVER be entitled to leave
negative FB.
That is just one thing that is broken about the FB system.
If a buyer does his part by paying, the seller needs to deliver
the goods as promised. If the seller fails, the buyer might be
right in leaving NEGs, but few do because sellers view a
complaint of any kind as license to leave retal negs.
Do not get me wrong: I KNOW that MANY buyers are dirtbags,
but the ones who are not get turned off to eBay when they
realize that if "things go wrong" they put their reps in jeopardy
if they complain.
AND bf: PLEASE do NOT buy anymore raw cards for $5.00 and
think that they will be worth a darn. If somebody mentions
"PSA" and is selling raw cards, RUN AWAY fast. If someone
has "PSA?" in the title of a raw card, report the bum to
eBay IMMEDIATELY so that others do not get shafted. You
are not a novice eBayer, so you already know that there
are a BUNCH of trashy sellers on there --- avoid them by
relying on your experience.
storm
<< <i>
AND bf: PLEASE do NOT buy anymore raw cards for $5.00 and
think that they will be worth a darn. If somebody mentions
"PSA" and is selling raw cards, RUN AWAY fast. If someone
has "PSA?" in the title of a raw card, report the bum to
eBay IMMEDIATELY so that others do not get shafted. You
are not a novice eBayer, so you already know that there
are a BUNCH of trashy sellers on there --- avoid them by
relying on your experience.
storm >>
Duly noted, sir.
I will add that these cards were purchased at the same time my other intial batch of raw cards were purchased (see my previous thread). i did learn from that post --- I don't want to think we went through that entire post only to find me buying crappy vintage cards again.
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
other intial batch of raw cards were purchased (see my previous thread). <bf
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I figured that HAD TO BE the case.
storm
But then again, so are the sellers that hold feedback hostage, and that is EXACTLY what Rich G and others are doing.
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I fear that is true.
IF I could find one legitimate reason NOT to leave FB
after I have been paid, I might act on it. But, I cannot
find such a reason.
The FACT that a bad buyer "might" hit me with a neg,
is simply not a legit reason.
If somebody comes into my store and pays at the register,
I do not wait until the next time they stop by to thank them.
If I waited until they got their purchase home b4 I said thanks,
they would think I was nuts.
Once an eBay buyer pays, the burden is on me; I do not know
why that is so tough for so many folks to see.
Having bought and sold on eBay for a long time, I know that
my view is in the minority; but, the tide is turning a little bit as
I have noticed more sellers "taking the risk" of leaving FB first.
storm
Maybe you didn't read what I had to say........As a seller, I'm not holding a buyer hostage. I'm simply waiting to leave feedback until the WHOLE transaction is complete. Only a fool leaves premature feedback.
Rich
<< <i>eaglesports:
Maybe you didn't read what I had to say........As a seller, I'm not holding a buyer hostage. I'm simply waiting to leave feedback until the WHOLE transaction is complete. Only a fool leaves premature feedback.
Rich >>
Thats just BS..............I leave feedback as soon as the item is payed for by the buyer, and I send the item out..................I do not have to worry about negative feedback...........The buyer is going to get their item whcih was exactly and concisely described in the auction, well packaged and in a timely matter. If in a rare case of a complaint I will offer immediate refund.
Ebay transactions to date for me = 2858.............2 of which were negative. ( and I deserved one of them)
I have noticed that a HIGHER % of sellers who wait before giving feedback are questionable, borderline sellers who receive more then usual negative feedback.
1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
Feedback is based on the whole transaction, just because a buyer paid fast does not mean he deserves a positive, he has not fulfilled the entire transaction.
On one of the Ebay message boards there is a list of about 30 different scenarios that can and will happen where even though the buyer paid he does not deserve a positive.
Look at my incident with Paypal. The buyer was selling on another ID then using that money to buy on Ebay. 2 weeks later when Paypal caught up with him Paypal took the money from my account to repay the buyers HE screwed. Does this scammer deserve a positive??
Buyer gets an item switches it for a non-working item and tells Paypal it does not work. Paypal makes you give a refund. Does this buyer deserve a positive??
If I had time I would list many more reasons. I will not leave feedback first as I am on Ebay to sell items and buy items not feedback. I could care less about feedback.
Bottom line is FEEDBACK is optional........
Not only did you hit it on the nose regarding feedback being optional, but the example you provided was great. I too have seen and heard of many examples of how a seller can get screwed by a buyer or held hostage for leaving premature feedback.
Rich
Steve
Maybe you didn't read what I had to say........As a seller, I'm not holding a buyer hostage. I'm simply waiting to leave feedback until the WHOLE transaction is complete. Only a fool leaves premature feedback.
When is the "whole" transaction complete? When the buyer leaves you feedback first? If so - that is really weak.
Only a nervous nellie doesn't leave feedback after the payment is received. It is usually those guys that worry about the most trivial things such as negative feedback (oooooh, scary) that typically on edge about other aspects in life. Just relax ...
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I just reported Both batches.
BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
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I guess that really means that unless the buyer
goes along with whatever a seller does, that
buyer can never get positive FB.
Please Remember: This discussion is NOT about
the sellers that are giving their views in this thread.
NONE of those sellers are presumed to be "bad sellers,"
just because they have a different view about FB. Also,
that "different view" represents the view of the VAST
majority of sellers on eBay who simply do NOT leave
FB first.
storm
If you don't get premature feedback from a seller like you hoped, remember three things
1)Feedback is optional
2)Feedback is meant to rate the whole transaction. It's hard to rate the whole transaction until the transaction is complete.
3)Feedback is optioonal, so just relax if someone chooses not to leave it.
Rich
BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
-- Yogi Berra
The only times I have not automatically left feedback when I received the item is when the seller has sent me something during the transaction or with the item that specifically says they will not leave feedback until they know I am satified and they will know that only after I leave positive feedback. In those cases I will send a note that I have the item and am satisified, but I do not leave feedback unless they do first. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they do not....and if they don't, I don't. Silly and stubborn of me maybe, but that's what I do.
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
down yet as far as I can see."
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The eBay Trust & Safety Dept. is very busy right now.
They have been forced to go into the thought police
business. MANY malcontent sellers have been listing
thousands of auctions that contain the words "fee hike."
These insurgent sellers are protesting the needed fee
hikes that eBay has been forced to institute due to its
share prices being under assault by misguided investors.
Each of the improper listings has to be removed quickly
because the NATIONAL media might get the wrong idea
about the depth of the insurgents' support. MANY auctions
are garnering THOUSANDS of watchers and HUNDREDS of
bidders in just a matter of a few hours.
As fast as the thought cops ZAP these improper listings,
two more are springing up. These security people really
have no choice now but to ingnore consumer fraud and
concentrate on what is really important.
Until last week, almost 90% of listings on eBay were "store
listings." The "balance" is now being restored, but it will be
a long fight. Many more stores and their radical owners must
be "degraded," if eBay is to be the best that it can be.
The allegations that auctions no longer work for sellers on
eBay is just propaganda spewed by the malcontents; eBay
auctions work GREAT - eBay collects the fees and the sellers
give their items away for below wholesale prices. What
could work better?
The crazy complainers are NOW going to target the listers
in Red China. The FACT that the good communists are NOW
allowed to LIST THEIR ITEMS for free, while Americans'
stores are picking up the tab, is just the way it has to be
if our favorite venue is to grow and prosper. Fraud-rates
on listings from Red China are ONLY exponetially greater
than fraud-rates on American listings, but that is just
because the comrades need to be educated about how
eBay works. Once the sellers in China undertsand the
system, their rate of fraudulent listings should be only
slightly higher than that seen in former Eastern Block
sellers.
"PSA?" spammers, must be put on the back-burner for
a while. eBay is working hard for all of us, and we all
need to be patient and continue to show our support.
The best way to help is to close your store and list all
of your items in the CORE listing formats. You will lose
all of your money, but you will be able to make most
of it back once eBay has silenced the insurgents.
storm
you think the French would help us?
If anyone else has a bad experience and gets threatened, treated badly or unfairly separated from their money on ebay and has tried all avenues of getting recompensated but still has no success, then try the Forum members and we will go ballistic on this seller.
We will help you get your money back with all the advice we have, sure, but if all else fails, then we will look at the sellers auctions and see what faults we can find and just report him over and over and over.
We offer solace and compassion on these boards, but we know that some poetic justice with teeth is also needed in order to keep the universe in balance with good triumphing over evil. Being passive when we hear our fellow collector's suffer is the worst thing we can do.
BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
suffer is the worst thing we can do. "
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Absolutely !!!
I often think that some of our efforts would be more
useful if those efforts were a bit more clandestine.
Sometimes, folks may be setting themselves up for
retal by evil-doers if they publicly state on this board
that they are "turning somebody in."
A universal code word - something like "pirate alert" -
could be issued with links to the offenders and any
relevant numbers for batch reporting. This way, no
one individual would "claim credit" for the deed and
the chances of retals would be diminished. I suspect
that many people are already being helpful to the
cause without saying so hereabouts.
Pirate-Busting is a good thing, and being a
Pirate-Buster is an honorable calling.
storm
<< <i>I am glad so many of us jumped in to get on this dirt bag's case.
If anyone else has a bad experience and gets threatened, treated badly or unfairly separated from their money on ebay and has tried all avenues of getting recompensated but still has no success, then try the Forum members and we will go ballistic on this seller.
We will help you get your money back with all the advice we have, sure, but if all else fails, then we will look at the sellers auctions and see what faults we can find and just report him over and over and over.
We offer solace and compassion on these boards, but we know that some poetic justice with teeth is also needed in order to keep the universe in balance with good triumphing over evil. Being passive when we hear our fellow collector's suffer is the worst thing we can do. >>
Guys, seriously ..... I really appreciate your support. Goose, Deutch and others willing to take action against scumbag sellers is really the only way we can help weed them out of ebay. It's a huge uphill battle, but this is how/where it starts. You guys are fantastic, thanks!
PS I am also reporting this guy and will continue to beat on him in every way possible.
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
<< <i>Only a fool leaves premature feedback >>
Premature feedback?
I think they have pills for that?
mike
China is likely to soon flood us with eBay auctions for
near perfect counterfeit cards. There are now thousands
of auctions everyday for counterfeit coins/stamps coming
from Red China sellers.
Perfect counterfeiting of the most famous card-holders is
probably moments away.
eBay will do nothing to stop the crimes. It is up to the
Pirate Busters.
Here are the eBay incentives to Red China, TODAY !!!
Basic US site: $15.95 / China site: FREE
Featured US site:$49.95 / China site: $18.79 USD
Anchor US site: $499.95 / China site: $62.64 USD
Affirmative action for ChiCom crimelords; courtesy of eBay.
Pirate Busters Unite ! But keep it private.
storm
you are right. Best keep our reporting private. However, someone must do the rallying cry and post the auction numbers in bundles for everyone else to feed off of.
I am sure others have reported besides us since we made it easy by providing the auction numbers.
I empathize with Blindflyer, since I have gotten burned too--heck, we all have one form or another.
BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
rallying cry and post the auction numbers in bundles for everyone
else to feed off of."
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Yup.
It will be "safest," if no one uses the phrase, "I reported them."
The bundling can be done just like always. The discussions will
not change. Just no "admissions" of having taken action.
Folks who chose to do so, will then do the reporting.
NOTE: I am not trying to set rules. I am trying to keep Pirate Busters
safe, and prevent bad eBayers from messing with whistle-blowers'
selling/buying activities. Such retal is fairly rampant on many of the
eBay boards; if you say something a bad-guy does not like, all of
your BINs can go poof and you will have no recourse. (Alternate
IDs are no protection; and, it is VERY EZ to learn the eBay IDs of many
of the CU posters.)
storm
Let's Keep reporting them........Ebay sure lets the powerscrewers get away with things.
Here they are for your ease.....I am going to hand the torch off on this project to someone else. I leave late tonite for Canada.
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