Authentic Two Tailed Quarter

relayer

Undated 25C Washington Quarter--Double Struck With Two Reverse Dies and Indent--MS66 NGC

Leiana

Sweet.

-Amanda

cladking

This was believed to have been made with 1965 "dated" dies but most of these
are identical to most of the '66 and '67 dies so it's not known.

Tarmac

This coin was found in a California safe deposit box in about the year 2000, with many other errors struck in the mid to late 1960s at the San Francisco Mint. This piece was once paired with another clad quarter with two reverses. The pieces, thought be experimental, were coined at a time in San Francisco when many other unusual and provocative pieces were produced. Many of them came onto the market from the same hoard, which the State of California auctioned.


Why was it 'found' in a SD box? Why did CA state auction it?

Frankcoins

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Unclaimed

Coindexter

I find this simply baffling.

relayer

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If property is abandoned in a safe deposit box, and the customer doesn't respond to any notifications after 7 years it becomes property of the State.

The owner CAN get the money the State sells it for though, if they decide to take an interest in it and bother to file a claim.

Steve27

There were two big issues at the time it was found; was it real and was it legal to own. The Secret Service reviewed it and said it was legal to own (just don't try that route with a 33 Saint), and a drop test confirmed it was real (I'm surprised they didn't ding it).

errormaven

There are four scenarios that could explain it.

1. A quarter struck by two reverse dies (a two-tailed mule) that remained seated on the anvil die and was then indented by a planchet fed in on top of the newly struck coin. This is the scenario evidently favored by NGC and Heritage.

2. A quarter struck by two reverse dies that stuck to the hammer die and was struck into a planchet that was fed in beneath it. While possible, it seems a little less likely because: 1) it's difficult for the top coin to be struck fully within the collar; 2) the indent is ever so slightly off-center, which is unlikely if the bottom planchet was confined by the collar.

(Scenarios that don't involve two reverse dies)

3. This quarter was initially an in-collar uniface strike, with the obverse carrying the blank surface. Then it flipped over and was struck a second time in-collar, again with a blank planchet covering the top surface. This creates a two-tailed coin without the necessity of having two reverse dies. I have a Malaysian 1 sen coin that was produced in this fashion.

4. This quarter was struck normally the first time, flipped over, and was struck again in-collar, with the top surface covered by a blank planchet. The increased pressure created by the two stacked discs resulted in the obverse design being completely obliterated by the second strike.

I don't know which scenario is correct. I don't know if it's possible to determine the correct scenario. Whichever scenario is correct, I suspect that this coin had a lot of help.

Conder101

Key would be to examine the edge of the coin (Which you can't do now that they have slabbed it.) If it was 3 or 4 a flip over double strike, It is unlikely that it will just drop back down into the collar (Especially with the two planchets at a time ideas which would result in higher pressure and the coin being really force in the collar creating VERY sharp well formed reeds.) So you should see some doubling or damage to the reeds on the edge. If it is 1 or 2 you should be able to examine the ejection marks on the edge and determine which face was the hammer and which was the anvil die.

By the way I think you can discard #4, no matter how much pressure you applied your would not wipe out the previously struck obv details. The struck coin would be harder than the blank planchet and would simply act as a hub and create an obverse brockage .

I also thing it pretty much goes without saying the creation of this "coin" got gt some extra help from the operator.

MrEureka

3. This quarter was initially an in-collar uniface strike, with the obverse carrying the blank surface. Then it flipped over and was struck a second time in-collar, again with a blank planchet covering the top surface. This creates a two-tailed coin without the necessity of having two reverse dies. I have a Malaysian 1 sen coin that was produced in this fashion.

It might be more effective to use a piece of leather than a blank planchet to block the obverse die.

robertpr

I agree the coin had some "help" in being made. Also of note, zoom in on the eagle's breast feathers on each side. This is the strike of an MS66? That's why NGC Washingtons consistantly sell for less than PCGS, especially in top grades.

errormaven

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By the way I think you can discard #4, no matter how much pressure you applied your would not wipe out the previously struck obv details. The struck coin would be harder than the blank planchet and would simply act as a hub and create an obverse brockage . >>



You evidently did not understand the chain of events I described in #4. Please read it over again. There is no brockage implied.

ABC123

WOW ! ! !

ledzep87

Very interesting.

Conder101

<< <i>4. This quarter was struck normally the first time, flipped over, and was struck again in-collar, with the top surface covered by a blank planchet. The increased pressure created by the two stacked discs resulted in the obverse design being completely obliterated by the second strike. >>


OK, when you said the "top" surface was covered by a blank planchet I thought you meant the Obv face. OK, previously struck obv is now against the reverse dies and the previously struck reverse has a blank planchet between it and the obv die. That could work. (And the blank planchet becomes a partial collar strike with a raised obv and an incuse image of the reverse die.)

topstuf

Why do I keep thinking that the "method of manufacture" is explained best in the source of the coin.

UNCLAIMED.....SOLD BY THE STATE......

Come ON!

Now where's the Peace dollar?