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For those of you who operate an eBay Store, we're making changes to Store Inventory listing fees, as well as to the on-site exposure we provide for this listing format.
We'll begin charging variable insertion fees for Store Inventory listings, as we do for core listings. Beginning Aug. 22, eBay.com Store Inventory format insertion fees will be tiered with an item's starting price.
* These Store Inventory format insertion fees take effect Aug. 22, 2006:
Starting Price New Insertion Fee Current Fee
$0.01 -- 24.99 5¢ 2¢
$25.00 and higher 10¢ 2¢
* Some Store Inventory format final value fees also will also increase, effective Aug. 22, 2006:
Selling Price New Final Value Fee Current Fee
$0.01 -- 25.00 10% 8%
$25.01 -- 100.00 7% 5%
$100.01 -- 1,000.00 5% (no change) 5%
$1,000.01 and higher 3% (no change) 3%
We'll begin charging variable insertion fees for Store Inventory listings, as we do for core listings. Beginning Aug. 22, eBay.com Store Inventory format insertion fees will be tiered with an item's starting price.
* These Store Inventory format insertion fees take effect Aug. 22, 2006:
Starting Price New Insertion Fee Current Fee
$0.01 -- 24.99 5¢ 2¢
$25.00 and higher 10¢ 2¢
* Some Store Inventory format final value fees also will also increase, effective Aug. 22, 2006:
Selling Price New Final Value Fee Current Fee
$0.01 -- 25.00 10% 8%
$25.01 -- 100.00 7% 5%
$100.01 -- 1,000.00 5% (no change) 5%
$1,000.01 and higher 3% (no change) 3%
My ebay store IS CLOSED TEMPORARILY
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* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
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* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
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(.02 x 4845 items) = 96.90 per month
new fees
(.05 x 4845 items) = 242.25 per month
so 4 Sharp Corners will have to pay $145.35 or more per month.
<< <i>Just think about other seller like 4 Sharp Corners he has 4845 items in ebay store.
(.02 x 4845 items) = 96.90 per month
new fees
(.05 x 4845 items) = 242.25 per month
so 4 Sharp Corners will have to pay $145.35 or more per month. >>
That's a lot when they're already selling many of the cards in their E-Bay shop near cost (under $5).
Regards,
Greg M.
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Raise Shipping cost & Additional Shipping cost.
Use eBay Turbo Lister it FREE !!!
Maybe that helps little?
They are only a monopoly because you make them one. They are nowhere close to the legal definition of a monopoly
<< <i>I will make no changes to my listings and keep my store. If 3 to 8 cents (depening on starting price) makes that big of a difference in your bottom line then maybe you should not be selling on Ebay at all. >>
It can make a big difference if you have a lot of low end items that are hard to move.
One silver lining in all of this is that it may persuade some of these seller's to price their Ebay store stuff more competitively. I know I get sick of looking at '88 Topps Nolan Ryan's for sale for $3 a pop (raw), and '92 score wax boxes for $25 each. One thing I honestly believe is that Ebay store stuff should be priced to move-- it isn't a good place to park stuff with Neiman Marcus prices and hope a sucker strolls by.
Maybe this fee increase is just Ebay's way of trying to get rid of the crap, and persuade their seller's to attach market prices to their goods.
<< <i>Yes, this definitely is not conducive to runnin' a business. It's gonna end up costing a combined 10% or so by using PayPal and eBay together. >>
Arny
I don't sell on ebay or have a store.
But, let me see if I have this right.
Let's say you have an item that's laying around collecting dust.
You sell it for 10$ - and you will probably charge a ship/handling fee - and you will have to pay ebay a buck?
Isn't 90% of something better than 100% of nothing? What would have been your alternative? Spending a weekend at a flea market or a small card show?
This is for the general group:
Doesn't anyone here run a business? I'ld kill if my overhead were 60%!!!!
mike
You just have to get more creative in selling. Ebay is trying to eliminate the items that sit in stores for months and months, basically gathering dust.
You got into a B&M store and see the same thing over and over what happens?? You stop going in there.
Any negative things that happen in life happens only because YOU make them negative. Lok for the positive and you will find ways to make it positive.
I see the increase as opportunity. Many competitors will be closing their stores, this will mean more traffic for my store.
<< <i>It can make a big difference if you have a lot of low end items that are hard to move.
You just have to get more creative in selling. Ebay is trying to eliminate the items that sit in stores for months and months, basically gathering dust.
You got into a B&M store and see the same thing over and over what happens?? You stop going in there.
Any negative things that happen in life happens only because YOU make them negative. Lok for the positive and you will find ways to make it positive.
I see the increase as opportunity. Many competitors will be closing their stores, this will mean more traffic for my store. >>
I'd like to see a link to your store, if that's possible.
You asked so you show first..
Nothing wrong with a corporation making money but corporations with intense greed such as this - it always seems to come back to haunt them. I'd love to see some viable competition to ebay - it's long overdue.
<< <i>I looked at opening an ebay store and figured it wasn't worth it. These SOB's are greedy beyond belief. They must think they are the landlord of some store in a high rent district in Manhatten or an elite shopping mall, instead of simply some electronic images that cost them next to nothing.
Nothing wrong with a corporation making money but corporations with intense greed such as this - it always seems to come back to haunt them. I'd love to see some viable competition to ebay - it's long overdue. >>
Steve
I'm clueless.
What is the cost to have an ebay store and what are the fees when stuff sells off the store?
mike
Listing fees are currently 2 cents each.
Gallery is 1 cent.
THe FVF is 8% currently for store items
They are going up in August, but the increase is not the end of the world as most make it seem.
<< <i>I'd like to see a link to your store, if that's possible.
You asked so you show first.. >>
Jesus Christ, this is awesome. Every time I start to wonder why I enjoy these boards someone comes on and offers a bit of priceless comic relief. Thanks for brightening my evening.
My ebay ID is ypsi72.
<< <i>I looked at opening an ebay store and figured it wasn't worth it. These SOB's are greedy beyond belief. They must think they are the landlord of some store in a high rent district in Manhatten or an elite shopping mall, instead of simply some electronic images that cost them next to nothing.
Nothing wrong with a corporation making money but corporations with intense greed such as this - it always seems to come back to haunt them. I'd love to see some viable competition to ebay - it's long overdue. >>
It will eventually happen. If they start making too much money then someone else is going to decide it's worth putting in the time to build a decent online auction site. Hell, for all I know someone's working on it now.
I really think it's more of a question of 'when' then 'if'.
I don't want to sound like a rabble rouser but that's very fair - given the potential traffic.
It seems ya gotta mix your inventory to give someone an incentive to drop by.
Also, consider promotions - if that's possible.
Offer people discounts if they buy more - put something xtra in their package when you send it out - if they've been a good customer.
mike
<< <i>Wizard
I don't want to sound like a rabble rouser but that's very fair - given the potential traffic.
It seems ya gotta mix your inventory to give someone an incentive to drop by.
Also, consider promotions - if that's possible.
Offer people discounts if they buy more - put something xtra in their package when you send it out - if they've been a good customer.
mike >>
A couple things, Mike-
1) Yes, it's still not a bad deal. But you need to put this debate in a context. Six months ago Ebay was begging people to open stores. They offered 30 day free trials, a month's worth of free listing in the general searches, and so on. To turn around 6 months later and raise fees feels like a bait and switch.
2) Ebay members-- and I guess I'm really just speaking for myself here, although I'd be curious to see if anyone agrees with me-- are sick of Bill Cobb's 'home style' emails, in which he tries to convey to selllers that they're like a big family to him immediately after ass-hammering them with news of a rate hike. Every email I've gotten from Bill has contained bad news-- he's never sent me anything telling me how he's going to make my life better. Which is fine, but the tone of this emails is absolutely insufferable. If you're interested I'll forward one to you so you can see for yourself.
3) It's easy to get the feeling that with every passing year you're getting less for more from Ebay. They do nothing-- or virtually nothing-- about the zillions of utterly fraudulent auctions listed every day, which hurts consomer confidence and therefore sales, yet they have no reservations about raising rates whenever the mood hits them. If they did more make ebay safe-- or did anything, for that matter, to give the impression that they gave a damn about the users-- then these fee increases wouldn't be met with such a venomous response.
I see your point.
But, heck telephone and cable companies do that all over the place - they at least they're in good company.
I guess I compare it with running other business ventures - and considering it's part time and if no sale, no work. Ya can't go wrong.
I'm affraid this is one of those things where ya have to look at the glass half full and take the money and run.
for in the end, what is your alternative?
As I said - Mr Flea Market or those crappy weekend shows where the same people come month after month asking the same tired questions and looking to "steal" your cards since in their mind you got them for free!
I will say, the bigger shows could be fun - more traffic and the potential of good collectors to exchange stories with.
But, how often does a dealer want to hear:
1. My mom threw out....
2. I had tons of those in 1777, if I only....
3. If I had a time machine....
4. I wish I had taken better care....
mike
<< <i>Sticking with the ebay store Boo.
I see your point.
But, heck telephone and cable companies do that all over the place - they at least they're in good company.
I guess I compare it with running other business ventures - and considering it's part time and if no sale, no work. Ya can't go wrong.
I'm affraid this is one of those things where ya have to look at the glass half full and take the money and run.
for in the end, what is your alternative?
As I said - Mr Flea Market or those crappy weekend shows where the same people come month after month asking the same tired questions and looking to "steal" your cards since in their mind you got them for free!
I will say, the bigger shows could be fun - more traffic and the potential of good collectors to exchange stories with.
But, how often does a dealer want to hear:
1. My mom threw out....
2. I had tons of those in 1777, if I only....
3. If I had a time machine....
4. I wish I had taken better care....
mike >>
No, you're right, Mike-- these are all good points. And like I said in an earlier post on this subject there may be a silver lining to all this if it gets some of these clowns to quit trolling for suckers by listing their stuff at 100x the book price (I saw a 1991 Pacific Nolan Ryan set tonight in a store with a $200 price tag, for instance). But it does get frustrating when Ebay continually raises fees and doesn't seem to offer more to users in return. Like someone said, you're now going to be up to around 12-14% on a lot of Ebay store purchases between FVF's and Paypal. That's a fairly big chunk of the pie.
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You are not pricing the stuff to "park it," that is for sure.
I have always done just the opposite. I am one of the
ones that eBay is complaining about; I price some stuff
high and wait for the people who do not want fool with
an auction.
I price some stuff cheap (modern PSA), but anything
older than my cat gets a high price. My mix is not good
right now, but I am thinking of merging a few together
now that the "free-ride" is over. Maybe I will build a
mega-collectibles depot with every kind of useless
collectible one can imagine.
If someone has 10-stores - under the current fee scheme -
they only need about 100 items in each store to do pretty
well every month. Rotating the items is the key because
the regular visitors want to see something new when they
stop by.
As soon as most of my junk is gone, I would like to open a
real high-end eBay store. A wide range of graded collectibles
in all the categories; all priced at high-retail.
William Langs main eBay store is a pretty decent model for
higher end stores.
storm
<< <i>Nice clean store.................... ypsi72
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You are not pricing the stuff to "park it," that is for sure.
I have always done just the opposite. I am one of the
ones that eBay is complaining about; I price some stuff
high and wait for the people who do not want fool with
an auction.
I price some stuff cheap (modern PSA), but anything
older than my cat gets a high price. My mix is not good
right now, but I am thinking of merging a few together
now that the "free-ride" is over. Maybe I will build a
mega-collectibles depot with every kind of useless
collectible one can imagine.
If someone has 10-stores - under the current fee scheme -
they only need about 100 items in each store to do pretty
well every month. Rotating the items is the key because
the regular visitors want to see something new when they
stop by.
As soon as most of my junk is gone, I would like to open a
real high-end eBay store. A wide range of graded collectibles
in all the categories; all priced at high-retail.
William Langs main eBay store is a pretty decent model for
higher end stores.
storm >>
Can you give me Lange's ebay ID? I keep thinking about getting serious about setting up a high quality store, and I'd like to see some examples of stores that are done really well.
One year over there we had a person come in and get sellers ids went nuts bidding on items and ending all the BINs these sellers had up. They then immediatly left negs for all these sellers, then they created another ID and did the same thing. Get on the Ebay message boards like Seller Central and ask about the "July 4th Massacre." Many sellers just gave up, some of us started new selling IDs, and some carried on.
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Even with the new fees the exposure Ebay provides is worth a lot more than they are charging.. However everytime Ebay raises fees people start crying doom and gloom and frankly I get sick of hearing it.. 95% of the time the fee increases are nothing that cannot be made up by adding a little to the opening bid or maybe a little extra to the S&H. If you have your Ebay sales structured right then your customers will pay your fees.
Ebay fees make up about 8% of my total sales. If I were running a real store or a store on any other site the operation fees would be severely higher maybe as much as 50%. Since I do not accept Paypal I don't have to worry about their fees.
(Excellent service. I grade expensive collectibles
REALLY conservatively so that is his only "defect"
as far as I am concerned. Not a dishonest grader,
but I know how sophisticated/wise he is and that
makes some of his grading not set perfect with me
when I am the prospective buyer. He always gives
cheerful refunds on most items if the customer is
unhappy. He is VERY successfull; on and off eBay.)
He usually has from 3,000 to 6,000 items these days.
http://stores.ebay.com/WILLIAM-S-LANGS-STAMPSTORE
Bret Toman (vintagerookies) runs a good store in terms of profitability. He probably does as well as anyone I know of at buying and selling, excluding the guys who routinely get 1-2 grade bumps on the cards they buy. He has to carry a ton of inventory, though.
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
about their current "baby-steps."
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Here is their current eBay "alternative" in its "BETA version."
Decide what to sell.
You don’t have to list every item you sell; you might want to start with your top 50 best-selling or top-profit items and add more as you see good results.
Tell us about your items.
Whenever someone searches on Froogle for an item we know you carry, your offer could appear (and have we mentioned that it's free?). You can use Google Base to tell us about your items by submitting a bulk upload file containing information about each of them or by submitting information one item at a time via a web form; the more info you provide, the more likely we are to be able to send you qualified customers. Be sure to choose ‘products’ or ‘vehicles’ as your item type.
Wait for customers to find you.
When shoppers search on Froogle, they can see the information you've provided about your offer and click right over to your offer's web page. They can then visit your store if you've included location-specific information, or they can purchase from your website if your site has an online store.
<< <i>It is 15.95 a month for a store.
Listing fees are currently 2 cents each.
Gallery is 1 cent.
THe FVF is 8% currently for store items
They are going up in August, but the increase is not the end of the world as most make it seem. >>
Then of course the PayPal fees. They F* you coming and they F* you going. These fees may sometimes appear small but add them up over the course of a year and suddenly these fees no longer seem small.
Hey...if you have decent profit margins then of course the fees wouldn't bother you. But working on low profit margins, as many small businesses do, all you endup doing is basically working for free to make money for ebay.
<< <i>Maybe this fee increase is just Ebay's way of trying to get rid of the crap, and persuade their seller's to attach market prices to their goods. >>
That is the only good thing I can think of that will come from this fee jack.
But what's the alternative?
Let's say they only charged a total of 3%...
So you make 97$ on a 100 buck sale.
So, now you're only gonna make 88 bucks?
If you shut down - you make?
It's the only game in town.
mike
"It's the only game in town."
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I must say that I am REALLY surprised at how many
people in the "poll" say they are closing. Also, MANY of
the folks at the seller central boards are still claiming
they are going to disappear.
I like the drama of the complaining, but closing down
will only hurt the closer.
Complaining, good; closing, BAD.
storm
<< <i>"If you shut down - you make?"
"It's the only game in town."
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I must say that I am REALLY surprised at how many
people in the "poll" say they are closing. Also, MANY of
the folks at the seller central boards are still claiming
they are going to disappear.
I like the drama of the complaining, but closing down
will only hurt the closer.
Complaining, good; closing, BAD.
storm >>
No, you're completely right. And upon reflection I apologize to wizardguildcards and anyone else I may have offended on my rants on this subject. The fact is this: Ebay needs to clean out some of the crap. They don't make anything from these clowns listing 1989 Topps singles for 20 cents each, and frankly Ebay wasn't designed to accomodate that kind of stuff. It needs to go, and the 3 cent boost in listing fees should go a long way towards doing that. Plus, it's probably time that Ebay worked to get rid of the 'jackpot mentality' that so many of these sellers have (list a bunch of stuff, mark it all up 1000% and pray the right guy stumbles along). I'd personally buy a ton more stuff from stores if it was priced to sell, and I bet a lot of other people would to.
<< <i>"If you shut down - you make?"
"It's the only game in town."
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I must say that I am REALLY surprised at how many
people in the "poll" say they are closing. Also, MANY of
the folks at the seller central boards are still claiming
they are going to disappear.
I like the drama of the complaining, but closing down
will only hurt the closer.
Complaining, good; closing, BAD.
storm >>
Amen Storm.
That was my whole point.
Vent all you want.
Then go and get creative. Figure a way to make up the difference if that's important.
Think outside the box. Offer with every card over 1K a lap dance by Shana Hiatt!
Not allowed to show the girlie ones anymore!
mike
Mike - I think it is inappropriate and vulgar to make comments like this about offering erotic stimulation from a beautiful celebrity in order to generate sales on a card.
Besides, for $1,000 I'd expect and want more than just a lap dance.
<< <i><<< Think outside the box. Offer with every card over 1K a lap dance by Shana Hiatt! >>>
Mike - I think it is inappropriate and vulgar to make comments like this about offering erotic stimulation from a beautiful celebrity in order to generate sales on a card.
Besides, for $1,000 I'd expect and want more than just a lap dance.
Steve
Actually, my wife thinks it inappropriate and vulgar to spend 1000 bucks for a piece of cardboard and NOT get a lap dance.
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<< <i><<< Think outside the box. Offer with every card over 1K a lap dance by Shana Hiatt! >>>
Mike - I think it is inappropriate and vulgar to make comments like this about offering erotic stimulation from a beautiful celebrity in order to generate sales on a card.
Besides, for $1,000 I'd expect and want more than just a lap dance.
Steve
Actually, my wife thinks it inappropriate and vulgar to spend 1000 bucks for a piece of cardboard and NOT get a lap dance.