A 32 Minute Monster Toned Blue Proof IHC - UPDATE - MS 70 Bath
Pushkin
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Would it grade? I doubt it as is.
Could it grade? With a little work and more time than 32 minutes, I think so.
Can these be made that can be "made" if a professional tried - what do you think?
I can only do these in blue and blue-purple in 32 minutes or less - other colors don't work.
Could it grade? With a little work and more time than 32 minutes, I think so.
Can these be made that can be "made" if a professional tried - what do you think?
I can only do these in blue and blue-purple in 32 minutes or less - other colors don't work.
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Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
<< <i>The real question is can you take it off and put it back on again????
Yes, with the help of a little dilute citric acid.
Joe.
PS. Thank you.
<< <i> No, but if you did it to a proof it might be convincing >>
It is a proof.
It was stripped using dilute lemon juice (citric acid) and the "processed".
-Daniel
-Aristotle
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-Horace
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<< <i> No, but if you did it to a proof it might be convincing >>
It is a proof. >>
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Newmismatist
You would not consider buying PUshkin's coin, nor would I if it looks like the photo. But what about these NGC graded and slabbed coins?
CG
I cannot get a real feel for the coin, not sure if its the pic or it really looks that way, which is kinda for lack of words, "washed out look"
I would have to say I would not purchase that coin based on the pics, but would love to see the real thing in hand.
excellent thread
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>"washed out look" >>
Darn, I forgot the MS 70 bath. Guess that's 37 minutes of amateur play.
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<< <i>"washed out look" >>
Darn, I forgot the MS 70 bath. Guess that's 37 minutes of amateur play.
steve i used ms70 on a 79 type 2 cent that was a lock 70dcam, sans a big doodie on lincs chin (carbon) anyhow 1 day in ms70 carbon gone, came out sparkling...3 days later red streaks on rev, slight but there...killed the coin for me. but proof fields were not washed out by it, so is that common place for IHC proofs using that?
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>steve i used ms70 on a 79 type 2 cent that was a lock 70dcam, sans a big doodie on lincs chin (carbon) anyhow 1 day in ms70 carbon gone, came out sparkling...3 days later red streaks on rev, slight but there...killed the coin for me. but proof fields were not washed out by it, so is that common place for IHC proofs using that? >>
Bill, I really don't know. I took a procedure used by metal artists and with only the most rudimentary materials tried to show that blues are easy to create. I still don't think the coin would slab, but my point was to show that even an amateur with the right recipe can make some intersting stuff. I can only imagine the quality a professional could achieve with a metal artist's equipment and knowledge.
As fo MS 70, I just played with it - I really don't know much about it - it does seem to bring out the mirrors of the proof.
<< <i>Would it grade? I doubt it as is.
Could it grade? With a little work and more time than 32 minutes, I think so.
Can these be made that can be "made" if a professional tried - what do you think?
I can only do these in blue and blue-purple in 32 minutes or less - other colors don't work.
I don't know what this coin looked like before its abuse but, I wish people would leave coins alone and not play with or experiment on them. Even if the intent is to never sell the coin, someone is going to sell it some day, and the population of unmolested coins is dropping by the hour it seems.
Mark
<< <i>If that was a proof and it looks like that now.....you better not get into the coin doctoring business.....that would not fool anyone.
<< <i> Based on the image posted - it is not a coin I would ever consider buying. >>
I haven't seen any responses from the non-buyers after the MS 70 bath?
I wonder if those who claim good blues can't be "created" can imagine what can be done to copper/bronze by a professional if an amateur can do this in less than an hour? How many of the experts have ever investigated metal art techniques such as using electric anodizers to apply oxides for micro-control of the depth of the oxide layer, and hence the resulting color? A decent anodizer can be purchased from a retail jewelry supplies distributer for a about $200. Home grown versions for as little as $50.
IMO, too many numismatic experts are suffering from tunnel vision - platitudes about easy detection won't make the problem go away.
<< <i>Very interesting results! I'm still glad that I don't collect high end copper.... >>
ditto