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Why do I get the feeling that Mario Williams is the current day Sam Bowie?

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I personally think Reggie Bush is absolutely going to prosper in New Orleans. I just think Houston made a HUGE mistake by not taking him. Thoughts?

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Of course they made the wrong move - they are the worst team in the league for a reason.

    Passing on Bush is just the latest in a long line of missteps...this team will be a doormat for decades.


  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I personally think Reggie Bush is absolutely going to prosper in New Orleans. I just think Houston made a HUGE mistake by not taking him. Thoughts? >>



    They wanted a signed deal going into the draft. Bush wanted to be the highest paid #1 ever and the Texans were not going to take that chance. As you are well aware, Bush still hasn't signed with NO yet (he wants more money than Mario). We tried to trade the pick but no one would move because there are just too many questions marks with Bush.

    How can you justify #1 money when:

    1) He has never carried the ball more than 20 times a game
    2) He's a special teams player
    3) Was on the sidelines when the BCS Championship game was on the line

    Don't get me wrong, Bush appears to have talent but not worth a #1 pick. If you talk trash about the Texans, then the same can be said to all of the other teams which refused to trade up.



    << <i>Of course they made the wrong move - they are the worst team in the league for a reason.

    Passing on Bush is just the latest in a long line of missteps...this team will be a doormat for decades. >>



    And how many consecutive years were the Bucs the laughing stock of the NFL? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    The Bucs were a laughingstock because of cheap ownership...ownership changed to people who wanted to spend money, they became contenders the next year.

    The Texans are a laughingstock because of ineptitude all the way up the ladder to ownership, and that's not going to change soon.

    Bush wasn't on the field in the championship game because of a poor coaching decision - Carroll has said as much. I am sorry you are already trying to bash a very special player, just because the texans didn't want to pay him.

    Bush is a once in a generation type player - too bad the texans passed on him. Instead, drafting a guy who was frighteningly inconsistent.

    Last time I checked, the Bucs were a playoff team many times over, with a super bowl win, while the texans fight with the Lions to be the worst team in the league.

    OWNED!

    BWAHAHAHAHA

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Bucs were a laughingstock because of cheap ownership...ownership changed to people who wanted to spend money, they became contenders the next year. >>



    After how many years being the absolute worst team, year in and year out, in the NFL? Oh why am I asking you... You recently jumped on the bandwagon since you don't have a real home team.



    << <i>The Texans are a laughingstock because of ineptitude all the way up the ladder to ownership, and that's not going to change soon. >>



    So the entire organization is terrible because of ineptitude (is that your word of the day?)? You can make that judgement in just 4 years of existance, with only one year having the worst record? My home-team Owner (can you say that? Nope!) will not stand for losing and made changes immediately, unlike "your" former Owner.



    << <i>Bush wasn't on the field in the championship game because of a poor coaching decision - Carroll has said as much. I am sorry you are already trying to bash a very special player, just because the texans didn't want to pay him.

    Bush is a once in a generation type player - too bad the texans passed on him. Instead, drafting a guy who was frighteningly inconsistent. >>



    No team would trade up for him, doesn't that tell you something? Do you give #1 money to a RB who has never carried the ball over 20 times a game? Do you give #1 money to a RB when he split carries with another RB? Do you give #1 money to a player who is known to be a special teams player? And this isn't just #1 money, Bush wants to be the highest paid rookie EVER.

    And Bush is not a once in a generation player. In fact, I hope you mark your post for future reference since he's going to be better than LD, E Smith, Sanders, Payton, Davis, Campbell, Dickerson, Holmes, Faulk, etc.



    << <i>Last time I checked, the Bucs were a playoff team many times over, with a super bowl win, while the texans fight with the Lions to be the worst team in the league. >>



    And they also went one season WINLESS, first 3 years had a combined record of 7-37, and 15 consecutive LOSING seasons.



    << <i>OWNED!

    BWAHAHAHAHA >>



    Yes you were and get some of your own material for once.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Keep on telling yourself that Bush wasn't the smart pick...I am sure it will help when he's piling up 1200 yard seasons.

    As far as his needing 20 carries a game, might it be because (a) he was breaking off huge runs time and time again and (b) was typically sitting in the fourth quarter?

    Are you seeing how damned lame the 'owned' and 'bwahaha' things are, yet?

    Bush will be a superstar, Williams will be yet another #1 pick bust.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Keep on telling yourself that Bush wasn't the smart pick...I am sure it will help when he's piling up 1200 yard seasons. >>



    So you are going to pay someone the highest rookie contract ever for 1,200 yards a season? That's nothing today. You said he was going to be a "once in a generation type player". Sounds like you are changing your tune real quickly.



    << <i>As far as his needing 20 carries a game, might it be because (a) he was breaking off huge runs time and time again and (b) was typically sitting in the fourth quarter? >>



    Then if Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread, how come he was splitting carries with White early in the game? I mean, it's not like every, single game was a blow out and every time Bush touched the ball, he broke off huge runs.



    << <i>Are you seeing how damned lame the 'owned' and 'bwahaha' things are, yet? >>



    No, it's more like of seeing someone steal another person's line. Just shows how unoriginal you are.



    << <i>Bush will be a superstar, Williams will be yet another #1 pick bust. >>



    I thought Bush was going to be a "once in a generation type player"? What happened to that? Is he going to be better than Sanders, Smith, Davis, Campbell, Holmes, Dickerson, LD, Peyton, etc?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Stown-



    << <i>Then if Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread, how come he was splitting carries with White early in the game? I mean, it's not like every, single game was a blow out and every time Bush touched the ball, he broke off huge runs. >>



    Why was he spliiting carries? Uhm, White is a phenomenal back in his own right, and Carroll is smart enough to know keeping both backs fresh for the postseason is smarter than inflating Bush's numbers. Instead of looking at carries, why don't you look at their yards per carry?

    yes, he will be a once in a generation type of player...he will be better than the current crop of superstar running backs, he is that good. You can sit there in your houston texans dreamworld and think you made the right decision - but it's the type of decision that has made your team the laughingstock of the league.

    Instead of making a bold move, a move that will put butts in the seats and move jerseys and drive some revenue, they chicken out and pick Williams? Ugh. No wonder they STINK.

    Yes, he will be a once in a generation type back - too bad he won't be running for Houston!

    haha

    What's it like to be a fan of one of the few teams that has NO shot of the playoffs each year, let alone the super bowl? What's your motivation for watching games? To see if Carr can keep from getting sacked 5 times a game?

    Too bad he ended up on that pitiful franchise - he'd be a superstar in an organization that had a clue on how to build a team. Instead he's getting beat to a pulp weekly. He won't make it to 30 in this situation.


  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Stown-



    << <i>Then if Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread, how come he was splitting carries with White early in the game? I mean, it's not like every, single game was a blow out and every time Bush touched the ball, he broke off huge runs. >>



    Why was he spliiting carries? Uhm, White is a phenomenal back in his own right, and Carroll is smart enough to know keeping both backs fresh for the postseason is smarter than inflating Bush's numbers. Instead of looking at carries, why don't you look at their yards per carry? >>



    Fresh for the postseason? He split carries, even though on paper White had better numbers, so they could stay fresh for one game? Oh please! And carries do matter in the NFL. You are going to give someone the highest paid rookie contract ever just for 10-15 carries a game and to handle kickoffs? He's explosive but that doesn't justify him to be the #1 pick.



    << <i>yes, he will be a once in a generation type of player...he will be better than the current crop of superstar running backs, he is that good. You can sit there in your houston texans dreamworld and think you made the right decision - but it's the type of decision that has made your team the laughingstock of the league. >>



    Okay, just for clarification, you are saying Bush is going to be better than Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Davis, ect? Because if you really are in your 30s, those guys played in this generation.



    << <i>Instead of making a bold move, a move that will put butts in the seats and move jerseys and drive some revenue, they chicken out and pick Williams? Ugh. No wonder they STINK. >>



    See that's where you are wrong. Doing all that you said is the opposite of a bold move; that's called making the "sexy pick". A bold move is recoginzing that defense wins championships. Our D has been atrocious and we are very deep at the RB position. Kubiac won with RBs taken in the 3rd round and he knows they are a dime a dozen.



    << <i>Yes, he will be a once in a generation type back - too bad he won't be running for Houston!

    haha >>



    Okay, again just for clarification, you are saying Bush is going to be better than Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Davis, ect? Because if you really are in your 30s, those guys played in this generation.



    << <i>What's it like to be a fan of one of the few teams that has NO shot of the playoffs each year, let alone the super bowl? What's your motivation for watching games? To see if Carr can keep from getting sacked 5 times a game? >>



    It's called not being a fair weathered nor a bangwagon fan, like yourself. Guess we now know why you recently jumped ship and became a fan of the Bucs, huh? They won and you were the first to ride their coat tails. And you have the nerve to question others being true "fans". HA! Regardless of their record, I will continue going to my home team's games, tailgate, and sit in my season ticket seat while cheering on MY home team. On road games, I'll be in front of a TV with other real fans, cheering on the Texans. Can you say that? Nope! "Your" adopted team is on the opposite side of the country when you have THREE NFL teams in your state! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



    << <i>Too bad he ended up on that pitiful franchise - he'd be a superstar in an organization that had a clue on how to build a team. Instead he's getting beat to a pulp weekly. He won't make it to 30 in this situation. >>



    Why does it matter if he's playing for a pitiful franchise? I thought you said he's a "once in a generation" player. Barry Sanders played on absolutely terrible teams but he was still had an amazing career. Or are you just looking for an out when Bush doesn't live up to the hype?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    stownie-

    look, I've already made my reasons clear why I chose the bucs...if I wanted to choose a front running team, or be a bandwagoner, why wouldn't I have chosen the 49ers or Raiders? They both have won multiple super bowls, have had huge postseason successes, and are close to home?

    So that kind of shoots holes in your whole 'you only like the Bucs because they won the super bowl' argument now doesn't it dope?

    And Kubiak's been able to run 3rd round draft picks in Denver because they have an offensive line, something texas obviously doesn't have (setting records for sacks allows shows that pretty plainly). And drafting on need, instead of the best player on the board, is not the way to go. If you have an amazing talent like Bush on the board, and you are deep at RB, you draft the best player.

    Sorry you feel the need to do what you can to paint Bush in a negative light simply because your team made a bad decision.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>stownie-

    look, I've already made my reasons clear why I chose the bucs...if I wanted to choose a front running team, or be a bandwagoner, why wouldn't I have chosen the 49ers or Raiders? They both have won multiple super bowls, have had huge postseason successes, and are close to home?

    So that kind of shoots holes in your whole 'you only like the Bucs because they won the super bowl' argument now doesn't it dope? >>



    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You jump onto the Bucs' bandwagon after they win a Super Bowl and try to say that you have supported them for years. Uh huh... Some "fan" you are.



    << <i>And Kubiak's been able to run 3rd round draft picks in Denver because they have an offensive line, something texas obviously doesn't have (setting records for sacks allows shows that pretty plainly). And drafting on need, instead of the best player on the board, is not the way to go. If you have an amazing talent like Bush on the board, and you are deep at RB, you draft the best player.

    Sorry you feel the need to do what you can to paint Bush in a negative light simply because your team made a bad decision. >>



    And they addressed the line in the off-season and draft. And just so you know, most of the sacks were not the lines fault; Carr became gun shy under the old system. Having a real QB coach and a head coach who has been there will solve most of the problems. In regards to being deep at RB (including a huge contract with DD) and still taking another RB (who will demand even more money) shows you truly know absoultely nothing about today's football.

    Okay, again just for clarification, you are saying Bush is going to be better than Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Davis, ect? Because if you really are in your 30s, those guys played in this generation.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You jump onto the Bucs' bandwagon after they win a Super Bowl and try to say that you have supported them for years. Uh huh... Some "fan" you are. >>



    Wrong again sparky...been a fan since 92...the Sam Wyche era. You call yourself a fan of a team that's been around for 4 years and you question me? Get real.



    << <i>And they addressed the line in the off-season and draft. And just so you know, most of the sacks were not the lines fault; Carr became gun shy under the old system. Having a real QB coach and a head coach who has been there will solve most of the problems. In regards to being deep at RB (including a huge contract with DD) and still taking another RB (who will demand even more money) shows you truly know absoultely nothing about today's football. >>



    Please...how difficult is it to trade a RB? Everyone wants a good RB, and they'd have been able to deal davis for some O-line help...but nope, they are short sighted (kind of like you).



    << <i>Okay, again just for clarification, you are saying Bush is going to be better than Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Davis, ect? Because if you really are in your 30s, those guys played in this generation. >>



    You aren't lumping all those into one generation are you? Jesus are you dumb.

    I'd lump Alexander, LT, Tiki, maybe even as far back as Faulk of this generation. Throw in Edge too...trying to think if there's anymore from what I'd consider 'this' generation. He'll be better than all of them, he has that much talent.

    Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton are all of a different generation of running back.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You jump onto the Bucs' bandwagon after they win a Super Bowl and try to say that you have supported them for years. Uh huh... Some "fan" you are. >>



    Wrong again sparky...been a fan since 92...the Sam Wyche era. You call yourself a fan of a team that's been around for 4 years and you question me? Get real. >>



    Uh huh, right, whatever you say. And it's kinda hard to be a fan of a team for more than 4 years when they didn't exist. Bravo!



    << <i>

    << <i>And they addressed the line in the off-season and draft. And just so you know, most of the sacks were not the lines fault; Carr became gun shy under the old system. Having a real QB coach and a head coach who has been there will solve most of the problems. In regards to being deep at RB (including a huge contract with DD) and still taking another RB (who will demand even more money) shows you truly know absoultely nothing about today's football. >>



    Please...how difficult is it to trade a RB? Everyone wants a good RB, and they'd have been able to deal davis for some O-line help...but nope, they are short sighted (kind of like you). >>



    But wait, the Texans tried to trade the #1 pick and NO ONE WANTED HIM. Can you not comprehend English, axtell? As I said, you know nothing about today's NFL.



    << <i>

    << <i>Okay, again just for clarification, you are saying Bush is going to be better than Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Davis, ect? Because if you really are in your 30s, those guys played in this generation. >>



    You aren't lumping all those into one generation are you? Jesus are you dumb.

    I'd lump Alexander, LT, Tiki, maybe even as far back as Faulk of this generation. Throw in Edge too...trying to think if there's anymore from what I'd consider 'this' generation. He'll be better than all of them, he has that much talent.

    Campbell, Sanders, Smith, Payton are all of a different generation of running back. >>



    Do you understand what a generation is? Are you really in your 30s or are you under 13? After reading that and seeing what you do in your spare time, I'm guessing it's the latter. So now you want to redefine what a "once in a generation" means, huh? So dismiss all of the RBs who have been out of the league for the past couple of years?

    Not like I'm surprised, you constantly talk about things you know nothing about.

    Maybe rather than saying "once a generation" you really mean "once in a decade".
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i> maybe even as far back as Faulk of this generation. Throw in Edge too...trying to think if there's anymore from what I'd consider 'this' generation. >>



    Yeah, Faulk is sooooooooooo old school. Gosh, he was the best RB in the NFL oh so long ago. What was it, just 4 or 5 years ago? Yeah, he's definately on the edge of our generation.... And who are these Sanders and Smith people? That was like way in my dad's generation. Did they even have color TVs back then?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    I am sorry you don't understand eras and generations.

    Faulk has been around a while...hey, you know he played football for a team before the Rams, right?

    Emmitt Smith, sure, a great runner and the all time rushing leader, but are you going to say he's the best RB of this era? I wouldn't.

    I think Bush is going to go down as a better RB than any of this generation's backs. And the Texans will again have mud on their faces.
  • I don't think Bush will be that good a running back in the NFL. I thought Lendale White was better than him. Bush has speed and can catch, but in the NFL just about every player has speed. In college he could turn the corner but in the NFL it will be a lot harder to do. White got the tuff yards.

    As for Emmitt Smith , Emmitt has led the NFL in rushing 4 times, won 3 Super Bowl Titles, League MVP honors in1993, the Super Bowl MVP Award (XXVIII), and has been selected to the Pro Bowl 8 times. Emmitt is the only player with 11 straight 1,000-yard rushing seasons. He is also the NFL's career rushing touchdowns leader with 164, Emmitt scored 100 career touchdowns during his first 6 NFL seasons, which was the fastest any player in league history has reached that mark. He's the first player in NFL history with 5 straight seasons of 1,400 yards rushing.
    As far as Barry Sanders he quit, enough said.
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  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As far as Barry Sanders he quit, enough said. >>



    Too bad Emmitt didn't know when to.

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    As for Bush, I'm a little biased but I think he'll be fantastic - maybe not as a pure running back, but I think he'll bring that gamebreaking ability to the NFL. I think Houston will long rue the day they took Mario Williams.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am sorry you don't understand eras and generations.

    Faulk has been around a while...hey, you know he played football for a team before the Rams, right?

    Emmitt Smith, sure, a great runner and the all time rushing leader, but are you going to say he's the best RB of this era? I wouldn't.

    I think Bush is going to go down as a better RB than any of this generation's backs. And the Texans will again have mud on their faces. >>



    Let me guess, you heard the phrase "once in a generation" without understanding the concept. I see how you are now attempting to spin, as usual, with using "this generation" phrase now. It still doesn't matter because it's obvious that you don't comprehend what a "generation" really is.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    stownie-

    You never said what team you rooted for before the texans? And as far as my statements, once in a generation doesn't mean once in a person's life...I am sorry you are too dense to understand the concept.

    Look, the texans made a bad choice - yet another in a long line of bad choices. Williams will be a nice player, but a #1, team changing player like Bush? Nope.

    So I predict another 4-12 or 5-11 season for the Texans...just think, though, they'll get another high draft pick! Maybe they'll pick Quinn up from ND, and start the cycle all over again.


  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>stownie-

    You never said what team you rooted for before the texans? >>



    Sure I have. I have always been and always will be a fan of my home teams. Can you say that? Nope.



    << <i>And as far as my statements, once in a generation doesn't mean once in a person's life...I am sorry you are too dense to understand the concept. >>



    And you are too dense to understand the concept of "once in a generation" player, yet abuse and actually defend the term. But hey, that's your prerogative.



    << <i>Look, the texans made a bad choice - yet another in a long line of bad choices. Williams will be a nice player, but a #1, team changing player like Bush? Nope. >>



    And that's your opinion. Good to see you make wild predictions when none of them have yet to play a down.



    << <i>So I predict another 4-12 or 5-11 season for the Texans...just think, though, they'll get another high draft pick! Maybe they'll pick Quinn up from ND, and start the cycle all over again. >>



    Gee, don't go too far out on a limb there considering they changed coaches, implemented a new system, hired a new GM, and in only their 5th year of existance. Bravo, Mr. Wizard, bravo!
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Sorry that I don't share your sentiment that you have to root for the 'home' teams. Everyone and their brothers are on those wagons already...but I guess the 49ers and Raiders both winning multiple super bowls will do that to you...so again, that shuts down your whole 'you only root for winners!' argument.

    And the misery continues for the texans...maybe they'll unload Carr next year and send him to a team that wants to win.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry that I don't share your sentiment that you have to root for the 'home' teams. Everyone and their brothers are on those wagons already...but I guess the 49ers and Raiders both winning multiple super bowls will do that to you...so again, that shuts down your whole 'you only root for winners!' argument. >>



    Huh? We all know that you jumped onto the Bucs' bandwagon after they won a Super Bowl, so please spare us. And yes, you should cheer for your home team but obviously, you don't have one. You think it's cool to be a "fan" of another team outside your state and be different. Hey, more power to you, I guess.



    << <i>And the misery continues for the texans...maybe they'll unload Carr next year and send him to a team that wants to win. >>



    Yeah, you are right. McNair paid $700M for the Texans because he wants to lose.

    Speaking of losing, how many consecutive years did the Bucs have a losing record? 15! Who was the last team to go 0-for during a season? That's right, the Bucs. Prior to Dungy coming in, who was the laughing stock of the entire NFL? Yet again, the Bucs.

    Good for you Mr. I Think A Generation Is Only A Few Years. Shouldn't you be playing D&D and casting level 12 pottery skills on some kids?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Huh? We all know that you jumped onto the Bucs' bandwagon after they won a Super Bowl, so please spare us. And yes, you should cheer for your home team but obviously, you don't have one. You think it's cool to be a "fan" of another team outside your state and be different. Hey, more power to you, I guess.
    >>



    You know nothing, nitwit. You don't know how long I've been a fan of the Bucs, do you sparky? And why would I choose a team 3000 miles away after they won a superbowl, if there are teams that have won MULTIPLE superbowls 90 minutes away? Plain and simple: you're an idiot.




    << <i>Yeah, you are right. McNair paid $700M for the Texans because he wants to lose. >>



    Just because an owner WANTS to win doesn't mean they KNOW HOW to win...they're going to suck AGAIN.



    << <i>Speaking of losing, how many consecutive years did the Bucs have a losing record? 15! Who was the last team to go 0-for during a season? That's right, the Bucs. Prior to Dungy coming in, who was the laughing stock of the entire NFL? Yet again, the Bucs. >>



    Hmm you're talking over a decade ago...how about the texans and Lions battling it out yearly for the #1 draft pick? At least the Bucs have known success - the texans have only known the cellar! Hell, the Bucs were in the playoffs in their fourth year of existence, back when an expansion team didn't get to pick over other team's rosters..they had to be built from the ground up. The texans have countless advantages over that situation and they still suck? A salary cap, expansion drafts, and you still suck? Time to change ownership boys.

    And again, the Bucs were bad not because of inept ownership, but because of CHEAP ownership. They didn't pay anybody. The texans spend money and they still blow chunks.

    How bad a team do you have to be to celebrate winning back to back games like you won the super bowl? Uhm, oh that's right, the texans!



    << <i>Good for you Mr. I Think A Generation Is Only A Few Years. Shouldn't you be playing D&D and casting level 12 pottery skills on some kids? >>



    How many times are you going to try that 'insult' out? It wasn't even funny the first time you used it, let alone 500 times later.

    OWNED!

    BWAHAHAHA

    Idiot.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


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    Huh? We all know that you jumped onto the Bucs' bandwagon after they won a Super Bowl, so please spare us. And yes, you should cheer for your home team but obviously, you don't have one. You think it's cool to be a "fan" of another team outside your state and be different. Hey, more power to you, I guess.
    >>



    You know nothing, nitwit. You don't know how long I've been a fan of the Bucs, do you sparky? And why would I choose a team 3000 miles away after they won a superbowl, if there are teams that have won MULTIPLE superbowls 90 minutes away? Plain and simple: you're an idiot. >>



    See, I know when you are proven wrong over and over and over again is when you resort to name calling. And better yet, not just once but twice. HAHAHAHAHAHA!




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    << <i>Yeah, you are right. McNair paid $700M for the Texans because he wants to lose. >>



    Just because an owner WANTS to win doesn't mean they KNOW HOW to win...they're going to suck AGAIN. >>



    I like how you put those in all caps to try and prove your point. Pathetic.



    << <i>

    << <i>Speaking of losing, how many consecutive years did the Bucs have a losing record? 15! Who was the last team to go 0-for during a season? That's right, the Bucs. Prior to Dungy coming in, who was the laughing stock of the entire NFL? Yet again, the Bucs. >>



    Hmm you're talking over a decade ago...how about the texans and Lions battling it out yearly for the #1 draft pick? At least the Bucs have known success - the texans have only known the cellar! Hell, the Bucs were in the playoffs in their fourth year of existence, back when an expansion team didn't get to pick over other team's rosters..they had to be built from the ground up. The texans have countless advantages over that situation and they still suck? A salary cap, expansion drafts, and you still suck? Time to change ownership boys.

    And again, the Bucs were bad not because of inept ownership, but because of CHEAP ownership. They didn't pay anybody. The texans spend money and they still blow chunks.

    How bad a team do you have to be to celebrate winning back to back games like you won the super bowl? Uhm, oh that's right, the texans! >>



    Yawn. I can tell how bitter you are. Hatred is just spewing from your keyboard and you know absoultely nothing about what you are talking about. Settle down, Beavis.



    << <i>

    << <i>Good for you Mr. I Think A Generation Is Only A Few Years. Shouldn't you be playing D&D and casting level 12 pottery skills on some kids? >>



    How many times are you going to try that 'insult' out? It wasn't even funny the first time you used it, let alone 500 times later.

    OWNED!

    BWAHAHAHA

    Idiot. >>



    Oh yes it is, D'Eslistia Wizard Extrodinare!
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    stown-

    your attempts at insults are pathetic...but then, coming from a trvial, pathetic little man like you, I shouldn't expect more.

    Get a job, loser.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>stown-

    your attempts at insults are pathetic...but then, coming from a trvial, pathetic little man like you, I shouldn't expect more. >>



    I'm trvial? Is that Wizard speak or something? Again, when you get owned over and over and over, you resort to name calling and attempted insults. You have so much hatred and bitterness spewing from your keyboard today. Did you get beat at D&Ds again or something? Should have used your level 7 gardening skills on the elf who pounded you into submission.



    << <i>Get a job, loser. >>



    Okay Ms. Almost 10,000 Posts And Spend My Entire Life On The CU Forums image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Yes I misspelled trivial.

    Hooray for you.

    You'd have 10k posts too if you hadn't been banned for a bit. Perhaps you should go away again, twit?

    OWNED! Ooh you've been burnnnned!

    You're an idiot.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes I misspelled trivial.

    Hooray for you.

    You'd have 10k posts too if you hadn't been banned for a bit. Perhaps you should go away again, twit?

    OWNED! Ooh you've been burnnnned!

    You're an idiot. >>



    Shesh, again with the attempted insults and name calling. Are you completely incapable to have a conversation without them or are you just that flustered? Your poll didn't turn out the way you wanted, you lost your multi-player D&D game, and you lose every single argument with me. I mean, how many keyboards have you gone through the last couple of weeks? I would say couple of days but know your "pounding" fists really don't do that much damage.

    Seriously, why are you so bitter?

    Are you bitter that you have been exposed as being a Bucs bandwagon fan? Are you bitter because your recently adopted Ms never advance in the post season? Are you bitter because I own you on a daily and sometimes hourly basis? Are you bitter because no one likes you?

    Or are you bitter because you haven't found a cowboy to snuggle up with?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Who's bitter?

    Unlike you, my social life doesn't revolve around this message board. It's no wonder you take it so seriously.

    I laugh at how worked up you get - you going into the 'owned' and 'bwahaha' like you're being clever. When all you're being is a dope. Don't you see how ridiculous those types of things are when I use them to mock you?

    You're a petty, pathetic little man - I advise you to get a life, grow up, and get lost.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    You're a petty, pathetic little man - I advise you to get a life, grow up, and get lost.


    many here say the same about you axhole, I suggest you take your own advice.

    Steve


    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    WP-

    You don't have a horse in this race, so I advise you to disappear.

    And yes, Mario Williams will forever be known as the guy drafted before the all time great Reggie Bush...too bad the inept texans ownership couldn't recognize greatness.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    make me.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>make me.

    Steve >>



    Do I need to put a call in to your momma again and tell her how you've been a bad boy on the internet and have her take away your surfing time again?

    Does little WP pout when he goes on internet time out?

    I bet he pouts ALL the time.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Who's bitter? >>



    You are. Every single post you make is hate filled and adds nothing of value to the discussion.



    << <i>Unlike you, my social life doesn't revolve around this message board. It's no wonder you take it so seriously. >>



    Yeah, I get all worked up, resort to name calling, attempted insults, can't think straight, and make zero sense of my posts. Oh oops, that's you I'm talking about.



    << <i>I laugh at how worked up you get - you going into the 'owned' and 'bwahaha' like you're being clever. When all you're being is a dope. Don't you see how ridiculous those types of things are when I use them to mock you? >>



    You try to mock me but fail miserably image



    << <i>You're a petty, pathetic little man - I advise you to get a life, grow up, and get lost. >>



    Yawn. How long did you work on that "witty" comeback? Get a life? Grow up? Get lost? Again, this is coming from someone who has almost 10,000 posts.

    Pot meet kettle.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    You are. Every single post you make is hate filled and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
    >>



    Really? What does 'who's the worst poster in sports talk' add to any discussion, other than to have a circle jerk of people who disagree with my posts?



    << <i>Yeah, I get all worked up, resort to name calling, attempted insults, can't think straight, and make zero sense of my posts. Oh oops, that's you I'm talking about. >>



    So the whole attempts at making fun of my playing online games isn't an 'attempted insult'? Or the whole 'owned' that makes no sense isn't you? Oh wait, it is!



    << <i>You try to mock me but fail miserably image >>



    Says you. I create a poll as stupid as the ones you create, that give the results I want without skewing the questions like you do, and all you can do is bring up the worst poster poll, instead of admitting defeat. That's ok, I know you're slow.



    << <i>Yawn. How long did you work on that "witty" comeback? Get a life? Grow up? Get lost? Again, this is coming from someone who has almost 10,000 posts. >>



    And your point is? Are you jealous of my post count sparky? So I work in an office that affords me the opportunity to be online during the day...don't get mad at me because you're out in the heat sweeping parking lots.

    OWNED!
    BWAHAHAHA!

    Buh bye, chump!
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    So I work in an office that affords me the opportunity to be online during the day...


    Typical of you to steal time from your boss. so lets see, you are a rat, liar and a thief. (besides being a FOS POS.


    Does your boss know that you are online here or playing some role playing game while you are at work?

    i doubt it.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>
    You are. Every single post you make is hate filled and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
    >>



    Really? What does 'who's the worst poster in sports talk' add to any discussion, other than to have a circle jerk of people who disagree with my posts? >>



    The truth hurts, huh?



    << <i>

    << <i>Yeah, I get all worked up, resort to name calling, attempted insults, can't think straight, and make zero sense of my posts. Oh oops, that's you I'm talking about. >>



    So the whole attempts at making fun of my playing online games isn't an 'attempted insult'? Or the whole 'owned' that makes no sense isn't you? Oh wait, it is! >>



    Again, the truth hurts, huh?



    << <i>

    << <i>You try to mock me but fail miserably image >>



    Says you. I create a poll as stupid as the ones you create, that give the results I want without skewing the questions like you do, and all you can do is bring up the worst poster poll, instead of admitting defeat. That's ok, I know you're slow. >>



    Again, thanks for showing everyone how unoriginal you are.



    << <i>

    << <i>Yawn. How long did you work on that "witty" comeback? Get a life? Grow up? Get lost? Again, this is coming from someone who has almost 10,000 posts. >>



    And your point is? Are you jealous of my post count sparky? So I work in an office that affords me the opportunity to be online during the day...don't get mad at me because you're out in the heat sweeping parking lots. >>



    Huh? I said that in response to "You're a petty, pathetic little man - I advise you to get a life, grow up, and get lost." Are you so flustered again that your ADD is kicking in overdrive?



    << <i>OWNED!
    BWAHAHAHA! >>



    Yawn............ Still can't come up with something original, huh?



    << <i>Buh bye, chump! >>



    Does this mean you are leaving? Oh thank heavens!! This place is so much more enjoyable when you are not around. Please do the forum a HUGE favor and never, ever come back.

    Thanks in advance image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    No it means you should admit defeat and move on.

    Why are you still fighting me on this? The people have spoken! And declared over 2-1 that Williams was a worse pick than Bush.

    Time for you to move on stownie...you lose!
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No it means you should admit defeat and move on.

    Why are you still fighting me on this? The people have spoken! And declared over 2-1 that Williams was a worse pick than Bush.

    Time for you to move on stownie...you lose! >>



    Dang, I was hoping that you were leaving.... Forever. Oh well, wishful thinking I suppose.

    Since you brought it up, please show me where I said Bush was the "worst pick"? I said he wasn't worthy of a #1 and that he's not deserving of being the highest paid rookie in NFL history. I still stand by that and so do all of the other teams who refused to trade up to pick your so-called "once in a generation player". When he fell to #2, the Saints tried trading him as well. Based upon sources I deem reliable, ONLY the Jets offered to flip-flop 1s and their #4. Not much of a trade for, again, your "once in a generation player".

    Your logic is flawed... According to you, every team in the NFL except for the Saints "lose".

    Again, this just proves you know absolutely nothing about the NFL.

    Nice try spinning and better luck next time image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    A worse pick than Williams...as you said he wasn't deserving of the #1 pick.

    OWNAGE!

    You lose, twerp.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A worse pick than Williams...as you said he wasn't deserving of the #1 pick.

    OWNAGE!

    You lose, twerp. >>



    Still with the name calling. We all know why image

    So every team who refused to trade up "lose"? I mean come on, the Jets only offered a #4. Can you not comprehend that no one wanted him? Are you really that thick headed? Actually, that's obvious...

    Oh yeah I forgot, the Wizard Extrodinare is always right and everyone else is always wrong.

    BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    The texans had a chance to make history and they blew it. I guess they are happy acquiring #1 draft picks year in and year out.

    Don't worry, maybe in 10 years the owner will sell to someone who has an idea how to run a team.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    idiot.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The texans had a chance to make history and they blew it. I guess they are happy acquiring #1 draft picks year in and year out.

    Don't worry, maybe in 10 years the owner will sell to someone who has an idea how to run a team.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    idiot. >>



    Why didn't any other team, except for the Jets, try to trade up for this "once in a generation player"?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    stownie-

    The texans made a bad choice...that's the key here. Why other teams didn't trade up to get Bush? Why didn't teams trade up to get Williams, if he's such a great #1 pick?


    image
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why didn't any other team, except for the Jets, try to trade up for this "once in a generation player"? >>





    << <i>stownie-

    The texans made a bad choice...that's the key here. Why other teams didn't trade up to get Bush? Why didn't teams trade up to get Williams, if he's such a great #1 pick?


    image >>



    Answering a question with a question, huh? That means you don't have an answer.

    Let me try this again.

    If Bush is a can't miss, "once in a generation player", why didn't other teams, especially ones desperate at RB, trade up?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Because no one wants to be the next minnesota vikings where the mortgage the team for one player. Now, if Mario is such a great #1 pick, why weren't teams scrambling to move up in the draft to get him?

    Is it because the texans blew it in picking Williams?

    Yep, I think so!


  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    Here's the problem with the Texans picking Williams 1st. I think it's almost a guaranteed certainty that the Saints would have used the #1 pick to take Bush (along with about every other team). The only player that wasn't there when the Saints drafted was Williams and I doubt they would have picked him #1 like the Texans did.

    So, why didn't the Texans trade the #1 pick to the Saints for the #2 pick plus ANYTHING else. The Texans would have still gotten Williams (which they wanted) plus something else. Even if it's nobody else big, at least it's better than only Mario Williams. They could have possibly filled another hole on there team or maybe even picked up a future draft pick.

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