How to request NQ from PSA
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I am preparing a submission of '60s cards and about 20-25% of them are O/C. Is it better for my resale if I request that NQ be put on the cards, and, if this is the case, how do I do this....do I simply write NQ PLEASE on the submssion form?
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2 of them were graded as such and one of the orders my request was simply ignored. I wasn't happy.
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Writing NQ (or other notes) anywhere on the invoice other than in the individual "min grade" column will in many cases be ignored. If you don't want any Q's, just write "NQ" in the "min grade" spot.
Mike
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That is not bad advice, in many/most
"non-vintage" instances.
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The "registry rules" have somehow been transmigrated
into the "market valuation" of OC cards. MANY folks think
that in years out, that formula will become invalid.
What do you gain by requesting "NQ" ?
Usually, nothing. You get a graded card that is likely within the
PSA standards for a card that is graded "approximately
two grades below" what you would receive if you did
NOT request NQ. If you get lucky - and you might - you
will only lose one grade level; with a high-value card,
that may be worth the "gamble." Usually, I think it is
not.
What do you lose by requesting "NQ" ?
Card grading is really about transmitting information to
the marketplace. "NQ" sends a LOT more info about the
subject card. A 9(OC) grade tells me a lot more about
the card than does a 7 on the same card. The 9(OC)
speaks to the corners, the surface and the other
elements in the guidelines. The straight 7 leaves the
market to wonder "Besides the centering, what else is
wrong with this card?" The 9(OC) says to the market,
"This card is MINT and the only 'real problem' is the
centering." A PSA 8 on the same card obscures info to
a lesser degree.
"Qualifiers" are "card specific." All OCs are not equally
"offensive." Many OCs, depending on the format of the
card relative to the centering, retain nearly all of their
"eye-appeal." The discount being placed on such cards
currently will likely be seen as not appropriate in out
years. Thus, today's 9(OC) may have much greater
value as time passes.
People that are expecting massive hoardes of MINT
vintage cards to appear on the market during the
next 20-years are destined to be disappointed.
There will be some/many, but relative to the total
population size, such "discoveries" will not dent the
marketplace. This tells us that 9(OC)/W-"eye-appeal"
is likely going to become second only to 9(NQ).
As long as the market continues to discount the OC
designation, there are opportunities for long term
"investors" to "steal and hold" these examples.
Think "eye-appeal" before you decide not to buy
a vintage card that is graded 9(OC); down the
road, not too far, you will be glad you own such
cards.
Before sumbitting OC cards to PSA, it is, obviously,
prudent to be sure that the card passes the "eye-
appeal test." You will know it, when you see it.
storm
<< <i>Don't submit the OC cards. >>
Sorry. Had to laugh when I read this. Can't tell you how many times I forget to write no qualifiers on the form. Leaves me with a bunch of cards I can't possibly get rid of.
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<< <i>"Don't submit the OC cards."
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That is not bad advice, in many/most
"non-vintage" instances.
/////////////////////////////////////////////
The "registry rules" have somehow been transmigrated
into the "market valuation" of OC cards. MANY folks think
that in years out, that formula will become invalid.
What do you gain by requesting "NQ" ?
Usually, nothing. You get a graded card that is likely within the
PSA standards for a card that is graded "approximately
two grades below" what you would receive if you did
NOT request NQ. If you get lucky - and you might - you
will only lose one grade level; with a high-value card,
that may be worth the "gamble." Usually, I think it is
not.
What do you lose by requesting "NQ" ?
Card grading is really about transmitting information to
the marketplace. "NQ" sends a LOT more info about the
subject card. A 9(OC) grade tells me a lot more about
the card than does a 7 on the same card. The 9(OC)
speaks to the corners, the surface and the other
elements in the guidelines. The straight 7 leaves the
market to wonder "Besides the centering, what else is
wrong with this card?" The 9(OC) says to the market,
"This card is MINT and the only 'real problem' is the
centering." A PSA 8 on the same card obscures info to
a lesser degree.
"Qualifiers" are "card specific." All OCs are not equally
"offensive." Many OCs, depending on the format of the
card relative to the centering, retain nearly all of their
"eye-appeal." The discount being placed on such cards
currently will likely be seen as not appropriate in out
years. Thus, today's 9(OC) may have much greater
value as time passes.
People that are expecting massive hoardes of MINT
vintage cards to appear on the market during the
next 20-years are destined to be disappointed.
There will be some/many, but relative to the total
population size, such "discoveries" will not dent the
marketplace. This tells us that 9(OC)/W-"eye-appeal"
is likely going to become second only to 9(NQ).
As long as the market continues to discount the OC
designation, there are opportunities for long term
"investors" to "steal and hold" these examples.
Think "eye-appeal" before you decide not to buy
a vintage card that is graded 9(OC); down the
road, not too far, you will be glad you own such
cards.
Before sumbitting OC cards to PSA, it is, obviously,
prudent to be sure that the card passes the "eye-
appeal test." You will know it, when you see it.
storm >>
If a 9OC has great eye appeal, it should be re-submitted to get an 8 or maybe even a 9. A strongly centered 8 will always be more desirable than an off-center 9.
8 or maybe even a 9. A strongly centered 8 will always be more
desirable than an off-center 9."
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In today's market that is true. The "always" part does not
account for the passage of time and the ultimate recognition
of true rarity. I think today's market will be proven to have
been "wrong" as time passes.
Any 9(OC) probably has "nicer" (non-centering) characteristics
than any 8. Thus, eye-appeal must become the decider ---- IF
we set aside "CURRENT market preferences."
Also, in today's market, I ONLY like to buy the OCs at what I
perceive to be "too strongly discounted prices." Sometimes,
I will try to resell them, but usually I just put them away and
forget about them; waiting game.
storm
Maybe one point would be better.
them by 2 points. Maybe one point would be better."
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Maybe.
But the real "problem" - if there is one - is that the
"registry scheme" has been moved over to the
market-pricing level. It really is an apples and oranges
comparison, but the market has bought into it.
There are probably valid reasons to weight the qualifiers
in the registry. The market itself has moved that weighting
into the market without any counsel/advisory from PSA.
PSA is only responsible to set registry standards, and the
market - wrongfully I think - has used the "2 point dif" to
set prices.
If I am correct, many of the 9Qs will move way up in price
as time passes; if said cards have "eye-appeal."
storm
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
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If I am correct, many of the 9Qs will move way up in price
as time passes; if said cards have "eye-appeal."
storm >>
You may be correct, but I think it is a very unsound assumption. There are 15 years of professional grading history that shows a dislike for poorly centered cards. The genesis of professional grading started with a base industry feel. This base feel, dating back another 20 years, was of a dislike for poor centering.
Two cards graded NM/MT will sell at different levels based on the better centering. Beckett, the grading company for young kids, empahsis centering more than PSA. This pushes into the mind of every young collector the importance of centering.
So you have 35+ years of inertia to overcome, along with every new collector being trained that centering is very important. Good luck!!
Help me understand how this works - Thanks
And if it's miscut it may not grade at all.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>The OC market might improve if PSA did not discount them by 2 points.
Maybe one point would be better. >>
I couldn't have said it better myself!!!
<< <i>Guys what does this actually mean? I have a 1958 Mantle (clearly oc'd) and will not send it in b/c of the qualifier. So I guess I am asking..I can send the card in and request NQ and still receive a grade.
Help me understand how this works - Thanks >>
You can send it in and request NQ, but like Griff stated, you might get a result you won't be happy with.