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Who are the best non-pitchers in baseball right now? I vote for A-Rod in the AL, and Pujols in the NL.

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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    i'll cast my vote in the A.L. for David Ortiz, the game's most clutch player right now, should be MVP by season's end, Pujols in the N.L. no doubt
  • MantleMarisFordBerraMantleMarisFordBerra Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭
    Pujols for sure, he's best in all MLB in my opinion. A.L. is a tough call. A-Rod? Well he's picked his game up ALOT in the last week, still don't know if I can say a guy hitting .283 is the best in the league though. He is however in the mix because I doubt he'll be below .300 at season's end. Others you could make a case for in the A.L are Jeter, Vlad, Ortiz, Manny & I-Rod
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    How it can be anyone other than Arod? Note, he didn't say this year, he said best player in the AL.

    Arod hands down...how amazing has his career been that his being on pace for 39 HR's and 133 RBIs is a 'down' year?

    He's already at 448 HRs, and he's not even 31 yet! If he plays till he's 40, I have no doubt he'll have a great chance not just at Aaron, but 800 HRs.

  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    It's almost too broad a question - does hitting count more than fielding? Both equally? Nobody has hit the ball better over the past few seasons, when it counts the most, than David Ortiz. But, he doesn't play the field often enough to grant him such a title. Manny is an offensive powerhouse, but he can be a liability in left field. I would still rather have either of them on my team than just about anyone else in baseball, but that doesn't really answer the question.

    Considering all 5 tools, I would have to say A-Rod or Vlad Guerrero in the AL, and Pujols in the NL. But I am not trading Ortiz or Ramirez for any of them at the moment.
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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Right now, Mauer is the best in the AL. He does everything well, but not so many home runs. He has all of the tools. Even with him hitting nearly .500 for the last month, his outs are usually well-hit. He is in the ZONE. Puhols would get my vote on the NL.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Carl Everett, hands down.

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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>Carl Everett, hands down.

    Dave >>



    Well, he'd win biggest a-hole anyway. Him, or Milton Bradley.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Boo did say 'right now' so IMO that does not mean lifetime. It would mean............ahh right now...........this season.

    In the AL............Ortiz

    In the NL.......Wright

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Wright over Pujols, are you drunk?

    Ortiz? He's a great hitter, but the best in the AL? Man, lay off the sauce before you post!
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I was starting a team and got to draft anyone, no contest that my number one pick would be Albert Pujols.
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AL Ortiz
    NL Pujols

    Thats my vote. With the game on the line you really cannot go wrong with either of these guys.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>AL Ortiz
    NL Pujols

    Thats my vote. With the game on the line you really cannot go wrong with either of these guys. >>



    If you were building a team you'd want ortiz to build it around? Really?

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    # 1 player in baseball IMO Pujols as well.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AX if I was building a team I would go with Pujols first and then I would go with Ortiz 100%. I could find defensive players with decent bats to fill in the holes.
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Uh, let's see....let me think...

    Shane

  • iamthegreatcornholioiamthegreatcornholio Posts: 3,366
    carl pavano
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>carl pavano >>



    You sure you didn't mean Jaret Wright?
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    It must be Arod if Axhole says so.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    talk about being an idiot that can't comprehend.

    Boo asks, Who are the best non-pitchers in baseball right now?

    resident idiot axhole then chimes in that boo did not mean this year.

    besides being an english professor, a sports psychologist he now is also a mind reader.

    The question was a simple one. the key being 'right now' to say that he did not mention this year and then go on and state that Arod is based on his career is stupidty at its finast.


    .How it can be anyone other than Arod? Note, he didn't say this year, he said best player in the AL.


    Note to Axhole. you are correct he did not say this year, he implied it.


    God it must suck being as stupid as you.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • SkinpinchSkinpinch Posts: 1,531
    "Who is the best player right now" is not as easy as it sounds...in terms of how long a period it should be based on. Since Arod is brought up, lets us him. He isn't having the best season in the league, but does that mean others who are having better seasons are better players than him? No.

    For instance, Jermaine Dye is having a better year than Arod, but is he a better player right now, just because his performance for a mere 80 games is better? No. 80 games does not give a valid judgement on how good a player is, neither does 162 games. His performance for the past 80 games is better, but he isn't a better player.

    Unless the question is "who is having the best season this year," then it isn't out of line to add Arod's name to the mix, because Arod is better than many players who have outperformed him for the first 80 games.

    A good three year sample is usually needed to determine how good one is. It is also possible that a player is on the descent, and that has to be taken into account. Maybe Arod isn't as good as he was before? Certainly we will find out. But it isn't unreasonable at all to put his name into the mix as being the best player.

    I said Joe Mauer was the MVP this year, and looking at what he has done, he is. He is going to need another 300+ games of similar performance to show that he is indeed this good. He may fall some next year, we don't know for sure. A good projector may have an idea. I'm betting he is this good(maybe better). So if I were a GM, and I had a chance to take Joe Mauer for my team, I don't see another player in the AL that I would take over him. If Joe Mauer's hitting is at 95% of Ortiz's, then his defense and postion puts him ahead of him for sure. I'd have to look into Pujols though image
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    So WP, tell me something:

    Arod is batting under .300, and is on pace for close to 40 HRs and 130 RBIs.

    Jim Thome is having a better year...would you say he's a better player than Arod? Hell, he's having a better year, so he must be better right?

    You are so easy to toy with, them smack the crap out of when I'm done with you. You're dismissed.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    What does any of that have to do with how you first replied?

    dopey.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Skip

    I guess we should all ask Boo exactly what he meant.

    Axhole seems to think he meant career wise, you seem to think that it is over the last 3 yrs.

    the question in my opinion was simple.

    he asked "who is the best player right now"

    One could use this week then i guess. Or today even.

    IMO, and with no disrespect, I thought he meant 'this season'


    Steve




    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>What does any of that have to do with how you first replied?

    dopey.

    Steve >>



    Dopey, I asked how it could be anyone other than Arod.

    Arod is the best player in baseball.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    In your opinion. which by the way means nothing to me.

    now go away.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633


    << <i>In your opinion. which by the way means nothing to me.

    now go away.


    Steve >>



    hahahahahhahaha. Oh that was classic. I believe Ax's nonstop defense of Arod is simple, he wishes that ARod was still on his "beloved" M's. I think Arod didn't want to put up useless stats(IE: There useless unless you get the W) for his whole career in Seattle.

    "Arod is the best player in baseball."Ax, there's no crying.....THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!!!!
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    hahahahahhahaha. Oh that was classic. >>



    How pathetic are you when you start laughing at your alt ID's 'jokes'?



    << <i> I believe Ax's nonstop defense of Arod is simple, he wishes that ARod was still on his "beloved" M's. I think Arod didn't want to put up useless stats(IE: There useless unless you get the W) for his whole career in Seattle. >>



    Uhm, unless you missed it, he left Seattle because an owner offered him $252 million. I don't begrudge him for going, and I don't think there's a fan of baseball who doesn't wish Arod was on their team - unless you're the legions of spoiled brat yankee 'fans' who feel that booing the best player in the AL is a good exercise.



    << <i>"Arod is the best player in baseball."Ax, there's no crying.....THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!!!! >>



    Not sure who you is crying, other than you watching Arod crush the ball. Now, who ya gonna pick on from your own team?
  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    ^^Giambi and Sheff for being Roid Boys? Trust me, the paycheck wasn't the only reason he left seattle. The bad weather, the depressing music/social scene, oh and the fact that he knew there was no chance in hell they'd ever have a title push!

    lol at your continued desperate attempt at saying I'm an alt id. Prove it or shutup? Can't do it can ya? Didn't think so punk.
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  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    Per Ax's logic, I like Frank Robinson.
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>^^Giambi and Sheff for being Roid Boys? Trust me, the paycheck wasn't the only reason he left seattle. The bad weather, the depressing music/social scene, oh and the fact that he knew there was no chance in hell they'd ever have a title push! >>



    Hmm he played for 7 years in Seattle, and the paycheck was the ONLY reason he left Seattle. Bad weather? Uhm, mild summers with little humidity sounds vastly better than the muck that the east coast through in late summer. Depressing music/social scene? Have you even been to Seattle? Or are you an idiotic rambler? Oh, you are. I'm sorry.

    And a title push? You think he was going to get that in Texas? This proves just how MORONIC you are!



    << <i>lol at your continued desperate attempt at saying I'm an alt id. Prove it or shutup? Can't do it can ya? Didn't think so punk. >>



    Uhm, since I don't have access to the IP logs, no I can't prove it. But the more you try to refute it, the more it paints you as the guilty dope you really are.

    Case dismissed!
  • SkinpinchSkinpinch Posts: 1,531
    Steve, Exactly. I was actually going to say as an example that right now, if said on the right day, that Len Barker is better than anybody. That could have been true to a degree on his day of glory, but it takes a longer period of time to really determine how good one is of course. My main point was that 80 games isn't it either. Though those 80 games do count as they are part of the package, and it is possible that a player right now is not quite as good as he was just two years ago too. It is sort of a balancing act so to speak.

    WHo is the best player right now really needs to be determined by a larger body of work than 80 games, but not too far back where you can get into a players years where he had a different ability.

    By asking who is the best player now, I would read into that as "which player would you rather have going forward from this point on." Based on Mauer's skill set(which is awesome and getting better), and looking at his results, he is not a mirage...ala Adrian Beltre.

    I don't think there is a GM that would take Arod over Mauer tonight if they were given the choice, even if they had the same salary. I don't think they would take anybody over Mauer right now.

    Who is having the best season is a way to phrase it too.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    David Wright was named player of the month for June yesterday.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>David Wright was named player of the month for June yesterday.

    Steve >>



    Month or year?
  • jad22jad22 Posts: 535 ✭✭
    It must be Arod, he hits one game winning homerun and the yankee fans once again jump on the bandwagon. His team is out of first place. The most valuable player is Oritz, he wins games by himself.
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    wow, jad22 made his daily appearance, crawling out from the rock to add his brilliant insight.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Month or year?


    jeese you really are dense.

    for an english professor you can't even comprehend a simple sentence.

    back to the topic. Wright was named NL player of the MONTH for June. IMO that equates to right now.

    not all season, not over 2 seasons, not over the last 10 years.

    of course others can have an opinion what 'right now' means and they do. And i respect them.


    Steve
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    So what does Wright winning player of the month honors have to do with the best player in baseball thread?

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    jeese you really are a dim wit.

    look up and re read what i just said.



    steve
    Good for you.
  • CardCoreCollectorCardCoreCollector Posts: 462
    Wow it's weird that Reyes won back to back player of the week awards in the NL but Wright won player of the month

    I guess Reyes's first 2 weeks stunk lol
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    lets say top 3 players in each league..

    AL- mauer ortiz arod

    NL- pujols wright reyes.

    Reyes now leads the league in hits runs scored and steals! pretty impressive for a 23 year old! let me add triples to that also hit his 12th tonite!
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Good list Chris.

    Steve
    Good for you.
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