A bit OT, but some research help is needed!!

GraigK

Hey all,

I know it's a bit off topic, but I was hoping that one or two of you may be able to help me with a paitnign I am working on. Being that this board sees the most action and has such knowledgable members, I figured it would be a good shot. If I have offended anyone with this digression, I am truly sorry.

I was wondering if any of you could help me identify a particular old-timey advertisement. The painting I am doing is of Ted Williams at Fenway from the legendary 1941 season, and unfortunately, I have hit a snag. Though I have all of the reference I need for the signs and scoreboards on the green monster, towards center field is what eludes me.

To my knowledge, begind the park lies a sign for Eagle Whiskey or Bourbon, though I have been unable to confirm exactly which. I have enclosed two scans, one of my painting (which is yet to be finished) and one of a shot I found on Corbis to give everyone a clear idea of what I am speaking of.

It is what's in the circle (to the right of the eagle) that is giving me the most trouble. I know that in the middle, there is a bottle of some sort, though to the right of that, I can't for the life of me make out. I was hoping that perhaps one of you may have a better shot of the sign, or even a copy of the paper advertisement somewhere.

Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

Graig

CDsNuts

It's actually a picture of a middle finger and the sign says...... Wait, that can't be it. Nevermind.

Lee

tennesseebanker

looks like it could be a shot glass

Tedw9

I wish I could help.


But I got to say that your painting is breathtaking! Dam, that is a sweet piece of art!

Allen

I can't help you with that, but if you really want to know put it on Google Answers for $10 or so and you will get a response.

SoFLPhillyFan

<< <i>I wish I could help.


But I got to say that your painting is breathtaking! Dam, that is a sweet piece of art! >>



I will have to second that Greg. This one on your website is just as sweet.

How much do your paintings usually go for or rather what is your price of commission?

Absolutely amazing.

Have you contacted the Bosox? Maybe they have a historian.

FYI - I collect original negs and slides of vintage players, and many modern also all shot by sports photographers. If I can help you with any particular images please contact me. At the moment my library is about 400 images, both baseball and football.

Keith

JESSEJAMES

what do you have for packers? any lombardi?

SoFLPhillyFan

Is this the same product? A matchcover from the 30s or 40s. Looks like they used a glass in the ad.

baseballfanatic

It looks like the billboard has the same bottle from when it was used to advertise PM (Pall Malls?). Check out http://img.inkfrog.com/click_enlarge1.php?image=z_16_1947FENWAY.jpg&username=6677 from an ebay auction

GraigK

Thanks for all of your opinions thus far, guys. And certainly, I REALLY appreciate the wonderful compliments - it means a lot to me.

Keith: I have contacted the Sox in the past, but they havent been much help. Cooperstown can sometimes be a good resource, but at this time of year, it's tough to get any kind of response whatsoever. And of course, thank you so much for your offer regarding the negatives. I usually stick to baseball, especially with things before the late 60s. However, now I am doing paintings for Bill Goff and goodsportsart.com (the next being a panoramic of Citizens Bank Park), I might be in need of some more recent images.

In regards to commissions, it really varies. The majority of the paintings are rather large, as the Gehrig piece is about 38" x 52". It's been my 'meal ticket' into the whole genre, so I would definitely want a couple of thousand to part with it. Though, again, everything depends on the size, and image - obviously, a smaller portrait of Sandy Koufax would go for less than a full stadium shot of the 1st inning of the 1953 World Series.

JesseJames: Unfortunately, I have yet to tackle any football images, but when I do, I would imagine that the first would be of the Packers and Lombardi. However, I have so many baseball images I am trying to complete, that it might be some time before I can even get to one.

fsjeter

Here is another depiction of the outfield at Fenway. Unfprtunately it is 1946 but maybe this helps?

Fenway, 1946

Scott

5STAT

I believe the sign is for Petts Boston Bald Eagle Whiskey....

some where in the archives of brewerianna (spelling)...there has to be pics on file..

Also...I have dozens of Red Sox books and magazines from that era..I will look through them and see what I can dig up for you..

Bruce (5stat)

montanafan

i'm impressed.. very nice!

GraigK

Thanks for all of your help guys, I appreciate all of your efforts. Sometimes, figuring out what these signs really looked like is hard work!!!

I havent come up with a final distinction, but I am leaning towards National's Eagle Whiskey. Now, I just need to find a better picture of the advertisement (or any of their advertisements) so I know what I'm painting!