Grades Popped... ultra speedy turn-around! Won't grade Ralston Purina's????

onefasttalon

Except for the (new record) turn-around time, I got beat up a little. Looks like a break-even gamble this time.
I just don't get the '84 Ralston Purina's... PSA has graded several to this point, why not now? All three are in great shape...
maybe I'll have to resubmit them at a later date.


1 06388762 1986 DONRUSS 208 OZZIE GUILLEN N/A 9
2 06388763 1984 Ralston Purina 22 Mike Schmidt REFUND DO NOT GRADE N/A No Holder Available
3 06388764 1984 Ralston Purina 7 Dave Winfield REFUND DO NOT GRADE N/A No Holder Available
4 06388765 1984 Ralston Purina 21 Robin Yount REFUND DO NOT GRADE N/A No Holder Available
5 06388766 1981 TOPPS 261 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 8
6 06388767 1975 TOPPS 620 ROOKIE CATCHERS (Gary Carter)- OUTFIELDERS 8
7 06388768 2005 U.D. REFLECTIONS SR-KO KYLE ORTON SIGNATURE REFLECTIONS GOLD 9
8 06388769 1990 LEAF 220 SAMMY SOSA N/A 9
9 06388770 1972 TOPPS 65 JIM PLUNKETT N/A 8
10 06388771 1970 TOPPS 350 ROBERTO CLEMENTE N/A 7 (...already spoken for)
11 06388772 1990 CLASSIC 82 BARRY BONDS N/A 10
12 06388773 1990 CLASSIC 16 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
13 06388774 1990 CLASSIC 106 ALAN TRAMMELL N/A 9
14 06388775 1990 CLASSIC 85 ANDRE DAWSON N/A 9
15 06388776 1990 CLASSIC 20 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 9
16 06388777 1990 CLASSIC 140 SAMMY SOSA N/A 9
17 06388778 1990 CLASSIC 51 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 9
18 06388779 1989 TOPPS BIG 50 DON MATTINGLY N/A 10
19 06388780 1986 TOPPS 180 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
20 06388781 1989 TOPPS TIFFANY 764 ROBIN VENTURA N/A 9
21 06388782 1989 TOPPS TIFFANY 573 JIM ABBOTT N/A 9
22 06388783 1989 TOPPS 764 ROBIN VENTURA N/A 9
23 06388784 1989 TOPPS 573 JIM ABBOTT N/A 9
24 06388785 1989 CLASSIC TRAVEL 151 JIM ABBOTT UPDATE II 10
25 06388786 1971 TOPPS 100 BOBBY ORR N/A 7
26 06388787 1989 TOPPS 83 STEVE YZERMAN N/A 8
27 06388788 1989 TOPPS 17 PATRICK ROY N/A 8
28 06388789 1989 TOPPS 113 JOE SAKIC N/A 8
28 06388790 1989 TOPPS 113 JOE SAKIC N/A 8
29 06388791 1989 DONRUSS 26 DON MATTINGLY DIAMOND KINGS 9
30 06388792 1989 DONRUSS 154 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
30 06388793 1989 DONRUSS 154 NOLAN RYAN N/A 10
31 06388794 1970 TOPPS 630 ERNIE BANKS N/A 8OC
32 06388795 1968 TOPPS 45 TOM SEAVER ALL-STAR ROOKIE 7
33 06388796 1972 TOPPS 445 TOM SEAVER N/A 8
34 06388797 1980 TOPPS 67 MICHEL GOULET N/A 7
35 06388798 2005 TOPPS ROOKIE CUP 66 CHRIS SABO 1989 REPRINT-CHROME REFR. 9
36 06388799 1992 LEAF PREVIEW 3 CHRIS SABO N/A 9

Date Received: 06/22/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 06/28/2006


..... this was the 2nd of three submissions I'm waiting on. With the exception of a few cards here, this was my "stuff-laying-around"
lot. .... I still managed to find a couple Sabo's to augment my submission too (as always!)

CDsNuts

The 9 on that 86 Donruss Guillen is gay.

Lee

onefasttalon

"The 9 on that 86 Donruss Guillen is gay."

... uhhh.... wha?

CDsNuts

Jokes aren't as funny when you have to explain them. Do a Google search for "Ozzie Guillen gay".

Lee

mikeschmidt

I don't think PSA grades Ralston Purinas anymore, even though they did in the past.

<shrug>

ralstonpurina

"I just don't get the '84 Ralston Purina's... PSA has graded several to this point, why not now?"

Don't get me started, last time someone brought this up I got banned from the boards. Short story, we never got an answer from PSA why other than they won't grade them

If someone ever does sneek some of these through, I am very interested in them.

RedRomad275

They used to grade the Ralston Purina cards. I have the Rose in a 10. They don't anymore. I don't remember why now. There was a thread on it.

Red

GEORGETHEBAKER

<< <i>I don't think PSA grades Ralston Purinas anymore, even though they did in the past.

<shrug> >>



If that is the case all Ralstons should be removed from registry sets!

They should also say "we don`t grade them" not "no holder available"

ralstonpurina

here's my almost PSA set, in the collector's showcase since PSA pulled the set from the reg also.

http://www.psacard.com/set_registry/display_cards.chtml?rsetid=56647&alltime=no&requesttimeout=9999&rank=none&tied=0&showcase=1


Feel free to email me with any questions about these cards Jeffm359@comcast.net

onefasttalon

My guess is that all the previously graded Ralston's SHOULD dramatically increase in value.
Talk about your true 1/1's!

mikeschmidt

<< <i>My guess is that all the previously graded Ralston's SHOULD dramatically increase in value.
Talk about your true 1/1's! >>



I think they don't grade them because the Ralston Purina issue was also available in sheet form, and PSA does not feel like having the expertise to differentiate between examples sheet-cut recently and those factory-cut in 1984.

That said, whether or not PSA grades them, I think, actually *decreases* their value.
This has been seen in prices realized for Nestle cards [PSA used to grade, but doesn't], Perma-Graphics cards [same], even 1988 nestle cards, for which the argument makes zero logic. The bottom line is that if PSA no longer grades them, they are technically not eligible for Registry sets.

Here are my Schmidt cards that PSA no longer grades, although I have not yet included the four Perma-Graphic graded examples I have:

here's the link

That said - people, please don't be so single-mindedly focused on having "true 1/1s". SGC grades most of these issues, as I am sure BGS and GAI will as well. I have a stack of about 30-50 cards I will soon be sending to SGC simply because PSA won't grade them, for presumably stupid reasons. But I still would like to have a nice graded example, and I am very happy to take my business across-the-street.

~ms

ralstonpurina

I agree with Mike Schmidt here. If they aren't in the registry, then interest will be limited. Some of my cards, notably the Ryan 10, would have brought some good cash when they were still in the registry. I had very nice offers for many cards in my set, because most were 1 of 1s, or low pops.

Interesting though, I have enough of these raw in high 9 and 10 to destroy the populations (one of ones could easily become 1 of 20), just never got a chance to send them in.

The low pops, refusal of PSA to grade our cards, but grade other submitters was reason this caused such a uproar from me to begin with

ralstonpurina

I'm done with this topic. I'm not getting banned again, I've already rambled on too much.

Sorry your submission didn't end up where you wanted it, and sorry about the Ralstons.

mikeschmidt

At the end of the day, I think the point that many people don't realize is that, specifically as it pertains to oddball and esoteric cards and sets, we are the experts on these, not PSA, and PSA is generally unwilling to invest the time and resources for its staff to know a sheet-cut Raltson Purina from an authentic one, or the proper sizing of 1968 Topps Venezuelan or 1977 Topps Venezuelan stickers.

This inconsistency will perpetuate at PSA.

m

larryallen73

Lee-
Good one!

To the dude that didn't get Lee's joke... maybe you don't listen to sports radio but that's been a popular topic the last couple weeks. Listen more often and/or read the paper!

ralstonpurina

Nevermind, I had nothing productive to add.

GEORGETHEBAKER

<< <i>At the end of the day, I think the point that many people don't realize is that, specifically as it pertains to oddball and esoteric cards and sets, we are the experts on these, not PSA, and PSA is generally unwilling to invest the time and resources for its staff to know a sheet-cut Raltson Purina from an authentic one, or the proper sizing of 1968 Topps Venezuelan or 1977 Topps Venezuelan stickers.

This inconsistency will perpetuate at PSA.

m >>



If they cant tell the difference between a sheet cut card (not that it should matter), how can they tell the difference of a `89 Topps card that was cut from a sheet or pulled from a pack? Full sheets can be purchased for quite a few different mainstream sets. The fact of the matter is ALL mainstream cards are cut from sheets. Why should it matter who cut it? If it fits the size and makes the grade,put it in a holder.

mikeschmidt

<< <i> If they cant tell the difference between a sheet cut card (not that it should matter), how can they tell the difference of a `89 Topps card that was cut from a sheet or pulled from a pack? Full sheets can be purchased for quite a few different mainstream sets. The fact of the matter is ALL mainstream cards are cut from sheets. Why should it matter who cut it? If it fits the size and makes the grade,put it in a holder. >>



They can't tell the difference specifically as it relates to 1984 Ralston Purina cards. PSA generally is very, very good at telling contemporaneous sheet-cut cards of old vintage sheets with factory-cut cards. OPC baseball from the 1970s is a great example.

It does matter who cuts it - this has been debated many, many, many times in the past.

With my example above - OPC had *horrific* quality control and sheet-cutting processes in the 1970s. It is unreasonable to have someone purchase a sheet from 1974 OPC baseball, for example, have it sheet cut by professionals today and then have it graded by today's grading standards. The way it would be cut today is absolutely *not* the way OPC cut them at the factory in the 1970s, and that is a significant, important difference.

julen23

ralston purina is the red heart of our time!

Julen

phreakydancin

<< <i>

<< <i> If they cant tell the difference between a sheet cut card (not that it should matter), how can they tell the difference of a `89 Topps card that was cut from a sheet or pulled from a pack? Full sheets can be purchased for quite a few different mainstream sets. The fact of the matter is ALL mainstream cards are cut from sheets. Why should it matter who cut it? If it fits the size and makes the grade,put it in a holder. >>



They can't tell the difference specifically as it relates to 1984 Ralston Purina cards. PSA generally is very, very good at telling contemporaneous sheet-cut cards of old vintage sheets with factory-cut cards. OPC baseball from the 1970s is a great example.

It does matter who cuts it - this has been debated many, many, many times in the past.

With my example above - OPC had *horrific* quality control and sheet-cutting processes in the 1970s. It is unreasonable to have someone purchase a sheet from 1974 OPC baseball, for example, have it sheet cut by professionals today and then have it graded by today's grading standards. The way it would be cut today is absolutely *not* the way OPC cut them at the factory in the 1970s, and that is a significant, important difference. >>

Wow, that's probably the best explanation on the sheet cutting issue I've read so far. I've always known I was against sheet cuts, but I couldn't properly explain why.

Chaz, are you out there? Ah, nevermind, you still won't get it.

RedRomad275

PSA doesn't grade Perma graphics? or Nestle? That torques me off because I went through the registry looking for several cards that I just submitted so I could add them to my sets. I guess I'll be getting some vouchers back soon. Funny thing is that I recently purchased a graded perma graphics card and had it added to my set. Who knows...

Red