Anyone have this problem?

Carew29

For those at the top of your sets, have you had people ranked below you telling you what you can and can't bid on?

Apparently this is a new problem for me. I have someone ranked way below me that is not happy i am winning the auctions. This person assumed that i follow their collection for what they need. I don't. My only concern is with my set and the guy who is in the #2 and #3 spot. Everyone below them is pretty much out of contention. I have been told that i am supposed to wait for another one to come along in that grade. This person expects to buy 9's 10's at generic prices. So basicly i informed this person that if you see my ebay name in the auction--put your bidding shoes on-- if i need the card or for an upgrade. Even i have my limits as to what i am willing to pay for a card. And if you bid more than me, congrats!!

digicat

Bah. Bunch of commies. Ignore them and bid on!

RichG

Carew:
It's never happened, but if it did.....I would make sure I would win the cards this person needs just to show him who is boss! With this said, I'll never tip my cap by placing an early bid. Like you, I bid to win (especially if it is something I really want) and other bidders know it. If I would place an early bid, it would let everyone know that they better throw some bucks out if the expect to win. All this does is make me pay more for the item I want. My style is to lay in the weeds and place a bid via esnipe with seconds left in the auction. Once my bid is registered it is too late for someone to digest the bid and attempt to place another.
Rich

jmbkb4

My fellow collectors and I have a truly amicable relationship. We communicate on many big auctions to avoid bidding wars. It has saved us all some $$$.

RichG

JMB:
Talking and discussing is one thing, but being told what to bid on is another. I have layed off a few items that I knew Raymond was going bid on. Heck, I can only think of a handful of people that I would let win an item that I wanted.
Rich

montanafan

it's an auction.. if you want it, bid on it.. otherwise, some weasel will come along from off your radar screen and snatch it up or bump the price up.. your GOAL is to finish your set, don't let your competition stop you. That's pretty weak of them to even ask you not to bid IMO. So say you don't bid, then some other guy comes along out of nowhere and snatches up the card and NONE of you get it? then what? Everyone would be pretty ticked with each other at that point i imagine.. I say each man for themself, at least in the registry COMPETITION.

that's my 2 cents.. however, i am also jaded because in my chosen sets, there is very little to no cooperation among entrants, particularly in the top slots. Nearly all of my major competition has a blacked out set on the registry, so something tells me they are not too concerned with what cards i need for my set.

Why on earth would i be compelled to cooperate with people who won't even let me see what cards they have and in what grade?

mikeschmidt

The trickle-down effect is especially important for Player Set collectors.

The Registry is a much nicer and cheaper place when you have a good relationship with your fellow Set Registry collectors, even if you butt heads with them on specific cards/upgrades along the way.

montanafan

don't get me wrong, i would love for them to cooperate.. they don't though.. so should i sit atop the registry and cooperate with the blacked out sets that are trying to catch me? i say F' em all... LOL

added: however, there are exceptions to every rule of course... there are lots of cool collectors who are willing to bend over backwards to help you and are generous nice people.. i do not mean to disrespect those particular individuals.. however, sadly, they are few and far between. also, for what it's worth, i try to help out the sets below mine if they are not blacked out, which i feel completely goes against the spirit of the registry. I am preparing several rare joe montana cards right now for shipment which should propel one of my fellow set competitors from the bottom of the stack, up closer to the top.. i upgraded my cards and no longer need them, and rather than list them on ebay, i am going to sell them to this guy at an EXTREMELY reasonable price. hopefully he climbs up past a couple of those blacked out sets i hate so much.. I will in fact help my competition, if they don't act like they're the CIA.

Carew29

Good points being made here. Not only do you have to concern yourself with people with Player Sets, then you would have to concern yourself with people collecting just that particular set ( like a deckle card).

I usually throw the opening bid out there so people know that--"i know" it's on ebay. Then i'll usually wait to the end for the snipe. I guess you could flip it on the people below. Instead of me following what you need for your set, maybe you should be more concerned about what i need for mine

gameusedhoop

There is a hockey set where one collector was #1, was bumped by the #2 guy after a good submission, had the new #1 send a couple cards (freebies) to the new #2, making him the #1 again. Now the new #1, really the original #1, is sending the new and original #2 a couple freebies to put him in the lead again. All this with no cash involved and all done on trust and respect.

Check out the 1971 Topps Hockey Set, me and Bob keep going back and forth between #1 and #2, he will eventually win out as his GPA is higher, but it is nice to be able to work together towards a common goal.
1971 Topps Set Registry

montanafan

carew - in my humble opinion, placing that initial early bid to let them know you know the card is there, is costing you BIG TIME.. you should be a ghost, and show NO INTEREST in the card until the close. you are just alerting people that don't know as much as you, that it is a desirable card and are contributing to the item's success ie final price. Early bids benefit no one but the seller. Just my opinion... props on your #1 set... keep it that way at all costs. let them know you're in the number 1 slot for a reason.

Carew29

Thanks montanafan----*********#29*********

mealeworm

Interesting thread... Saying I am the one he is talking about!!!
I will have to correct the statement Carew made about me telling him what to bid on. I actually said in NO way was I trying to tell you what to bid or not. I beleive JMB has the jest of what I was trying to accomplish. Some of us 57 collectors actually email each other on cards we are excited about trying not to run into each others snipes.

I really dont think you get it... Greed is a bad thing and if you want to drop the hammer and pay more for a crd it is your right. I only was trying to avoid over paying...

This is the first line of the email

First off let me start by saying in no means do I think you aren't entitled to bid on what you want when you want

HMMM does that sound like I am telling him what to bid on.

By the way You are behind me on the basic the only set I collect


Dave

jmbkb4

<< <i>JMB:
Talking and discussing is one thing, but being told what to bid on is another. I have layed off a few items that I knew Raymond was going bid on. Heck, I can only think of a handful of people that I would let win an item that I wanted.
Rich >>


Is it possible that the email was misinterpreted? I doubt anyone would TELL someone not to bid; that would be both rude and foolish.

RichG

JMB:
It would not suprise me if the email WAS NOT misinterpreted. From the window I look out of, there are more stupid people/idiots on this planet than smart ones.
Rich

mealeworm

First off let me start by saying in no means do I think you aren't entitled to bid on what you want when you want. That being said I tend to lay off on cards that other people in the registry need from time to time. Like that 85 topps psa10 I could have ugraded to the other day and thought you wouldnt like me bidding it up. This is the last card I need to complete my basic set, and I am sure you are aware of that. You have basically doubled the market price on the card... lame...

That is the whole email.

Stone193

<< <i>First off let me start by saying in no means do I think you aren't entitled to bid on what you want when you want. That being said I tend to lay off on cards that other people in the registry need from time to time. Like that 85 topps psa10 I could have ugraded to the other day and thought you wouldnt like me bidding it up. This is the last card I need to complete my basic set, and I am sure you are aware of that. You have basically doubled the market price on the card... lame...

That is the whole email. >>


Dave

I neither have the knowledge nor the inclination to get in the middle of this..

But, if I were Carew,

I'm not sure being called "lame" would have me warming up to any kind of collector's coalition?

Or am I missing something?

mike

Carew29

Stone you are correct. I contacted "Carew4me" (Randall) and asked him if he has experienced the same thing with Dave. My understanding is he has. Randall was inquired about Carew cards and when Randall gave him his selling price, he received and i quote "angry" e-mails back from Dave.

I actually kept Dave's name out of this thread not only to protect Dave's rights, but to get feedback from the board. Bottom line to this whole thing is i am going to bid on whatever i need. Watch the movie "Wallstreet" sometime---Greed is good!!

Allen

There is nothing sweeter then nailing that snipe in the last second and jumping around the office screaming. Sometimes I like to give the second high bidder one of those looks like a batter gives a pitcher when he takes him yard.....not just yard but like Pujols on Lidge last year, you know one of those where the ball lands in another zip code. Im just like yeah I owned you, whos your daddy, I might sign this bat and give it to your son after the game so he can have a real hero, do you think its possible that after such a beating your parents might not love you anymore. So telling me what I can't bid on is probably just going to make me bid on it just because.

goose3

<< <i>First off let me start by saying in no means do I think you aren't entitled to bid on what you want when you want. That being said I tend to lay off on cards that other people in the registry need from time to time. Like that 85 topps psa10 I could have ugraded to the other day and thought you wouldnt like me bidding it up. This is the last card I need to complete my basic set, and I am sure you are aware of that. You have basically doubled the market price on the card... lame...

That is the whole email. >>




I have no dog in the fight here and I don't bid on cards (sell only), and I don't know either of you..... so from a strictly unbiased viewpoint......


Your email implies that because you chose not to essentially win the 85 topps psa10 the other day that he should lay off of this current card and let you have it because you (think) let him win the other day. Of course you're assuming you let him win. You don't know what his bid was.

Your note was not what I would call polite, much less friendly, and honestly if I were to receive such a message from someone, I'd would purposely attempt to outbid them on everything I could from now until hell freezes over after being called lame.

Carew29

great line goosy!!---" I'd would purposely attempt to outbid them on everything I could from now until hell freezes over after being called lame."

How do you think i became #1?

goose3

by being so "Lame" of course!

I think I'd now be even more "lame".

Carew29

See Dave, sometimes i don't win------------1986 Fleer Rod Carew

lostdart58

<< <i>My fellow collectors and I have a truly amicable relationship. We communicate on many big auctions to avoid bidding wars. It has saved us all some $$$. >>



Here , here.....I agree!!...........................We were discussing this same topic in the 72 thread..............One "dealer" came on and said that our "collusion" was just as bad as him shilling his auctions ..........a lawyer in the group said what we were doing were was illegal..............The dialogue on the subject was lively for a few days...................... The funny thing was that our 4 or 5 "collusion" auctions netted us one card that we actually won........a card that closed at $50.00.

Stone193

<< <i>

<< <i>My fellow collectors and I have a truly amicable relationship. We communicate on many big auctions to avoid bidding wars. It has saved us all some $$$. >>



Here , here.....I agree!!...........................We were discussing this same topic in the 72 thread..............One "dealer" came on and said that our "collusion" was just as bad as him shilling his auctions ..........a lawyer in the group said what we were doing were was illegal..............The dialogue on the subject was lively for a few days...................... The funny thing was that our 4 or 5 "collusion" auctions netted us one card that we actually won........a card that closed at $50.00. >>


Lost

I'm definitely dumb on the law.

But, if you guys discuss an auction and consider who bids and when? My common sense tells me that is cooperation amongst a group of buyers and totally your own business IMO.

Now, if in some way you 'manipulate' the results - like shilling - that's different.

From that mode of thinking - the guy should have concluded that "sniping" is illegal.

I don't see it?
mike

fiveniner

The only one that is going to influence me on a bid is my wallet.