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US Population now 300 Million, so wht cant we find

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    We have plenty who can, they just choose sports who pay well.

    The highest paid player in ALL of MLS makes about $1.3 million a year. The highest paid soccer player worldwide (Ronaldinho) makes nearly $30 million a year.

    If MLS was offering those kind of contracts, you better believe kids would be following a soccer path through their career a lot more often.
  • iamthegreatcornholioiamthegreatcornholio Posts: 3,366
    how about instead of paying soccer players more, we just pay other sports players less?

    it must be tough to live off only 1.3 M/yr image
  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭


    << <i>We have plenty who can, they just choose sports who pay well.

    The highest paid player in ALL of MLS makes about $1.3 million a year. The highest paid soccer player worldwide (Ronaldinho) makes nearly $30 million a year.

    If MLS was offering those kind of contracts, you better believe kids would be following a soccer path through their career a lot more often. >>

    There are plenty of leagues around the world that pay WAY more than MLS. I heard Beckham is doing okay. If you are the best in the world at what you do, you will be paid accordingly. If you are playing in the MLS, you are not among the best in the world.
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭


    << <i>We have plenty who can, they just choose sports who pay well.

    The highest paid player in ALL of MLS makes about $1.3 million a year. The highest paid soccer player worldwide (Ronaldinho) makes nearly $30 million a year.

    If MLS was offering those kind of contracts, you better believe kids would be following a soccer path through their career a lot more often. >>



    That is extremely dopey logic.

    There are plenty of places to get paid playing soccer, those places just arent in the U.S. If a kid growing up loved soccer enough, and was good enough he would aspire to play in a European league, just as players of baseball from other nations aspire to play in OUR major leagues.
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Why would a player even think of soccer here in the states, when MLB, NFL, and NBA all pay its stars so much better than the MLS?

    Players aren't going to play thinking of going overseas...they want to stay in the states.

    Of course, great players from the states can go overseas and play (Adu is going to go next year, Donovan has played overseas too), but please tell me why a kid would choose soccer over, say, MLB when the salaries here are so widely different?
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    It is easier for a European to come here and play in MLB if the talent was there than an American going to Europe for soccer if his skills were up to par. Why, you ask? Europeans learn 3 languages in their schools, including English, for the most part with very few exceptions. Americans hardly ever learn another language with some exceptions of course. It is not part of American culture to dream of going to another country to make one's fortune come true. So, there is a cultural angle to this as well. When Claudio Reyna played for Wolfsburg of Germany, he tried to speak proficient German--he was a willing student, but he does not represent the mode of operation of all American athletes. Time and time again, I constantly hear Germans complain that Americans are so arrogant about learning the language of the country they are living in....
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  • daddy43daddy43 Posts: 435
    It is also harder for an American to play overseas because our soccer is not respectable to the other nations. Or at least in their eyes our soccer is not up to par. Until we have a few superstar come out of the States and show up in the World Cup the US will not be good enough in their eyes. Our so called stars did not play like stars in this years World Cup. Clint Dempsey was a nice suprise for the US.
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  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭


    << <i>It is easier for a European to come here and play in MLB if the talent was there than an American going to Europe for soccer if his skills were up to par. Why, you ask? Europeans learn 3 languages in their schools, including English, for the most part with very few exceptions. >>

    I'm not sure I follow this logic. Lots of Russians have come over here to play hockey, not speaking a word of English, and they do just fine. I'm not sure Ichiro has learned any English yet, certainly not enough for a decent interview. Ditto lots of Dominican baseball players; they generally don't speak proficient English before they get here.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    I really doubt a language barrier has much to do at all with it.

    American hockey players got paid well to go to Russia during the strike, and they spoke very little at all.

    It all comes to down to money - if you want to lure players to play soccer here, you need to start paying players salaries on scale with the other major leagues.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It all comes to down to money - if you want to lure players to play soccer here, you need to start paying players salaries on scale with the other major leagues. >>



    That was tried already. Is everybody here so young that noone remembers the NASL ?? Pele ?? Giants stadium being sold out for Cosmos games? A league that prospered for a few years and then collapsed. Americans don't like soccer in large enough numbers to support a major league with big money. That is a fact.

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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    I think I have stated it around 20 times, but I will try once more, there will NEVER be soccer here big time for the one big reason of NO CLOCK STOPAGES. Without the clock stopping there will never be big time corporate sponsorship to plug commercials every 3 minutes. Without those commercials there is no money being fed to the league. Without that money being fed to the league there is no money to give the players. With no money to give the players, there is no premier league here thus giving American youth nothing of interest to watch and aspire to play when they get older.
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Then it seems that soccer is never going to be a sport the US does well at on an international stage.

    As long as mainstream sports are the ones paying the big dollars, that's what the kids are going to play.
  • fab4fab4 Posts: 280 ✭✭


    << <i>Then it seems that soccer is never going to be a sport the US does well at on an international stage.[/Q

    baseball,basketball and hockey seem to be going the same way on an international level

  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    I think the reason that soccer will never be here big time is because it is boring as hell to watch. Clock stopages or not, I can't sit and watch it. They need to shorten the field dramatically. The score would need to be like 10-8 for Americans to enjoy it. Nobody here wants to see a 1-0 borefest. Plus they need to allow serious contact, like checking it hockey. Americans aren't like the rest of the world.
  • jad22jad22 Posts: 535 ✭✭
    Relax, in the last 16 years the usa has made amazing progress in soccer. Every world cup the US gets better and better. As the MLS continues to develop team USA will continue to improve. Several of the stars of MLS could easily play internationally. Donovan had a bad world cup but he could play in Europe as could other players. The quality of USA soccer has been on the rise, look what has happened in the NBA, the US used to dominate not any longer. This change did not occur over night. The dream team killed everyone in 1992, now we can't even be assured that we would metal. In the next four years, the US will move in a different direction, no more Bruce Arena, the younger players will continue to mature. Hopefully the USA will follow the mold of european teams and have a minor league type of system to develop younger players.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    I heard a great comparison to those who call soccer 'boring'.

    Watching a baseball game, the pitching, over and over, without a run, is just like the volleying back and forth of the soccer teams. Those who don't watch soccer don't understand the tempo, so of course are going to call it boring.

  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    I generally don't buy the bit about lack of money/salary being the reason why we don't have more (and better) American soccer players. The sport has to be popular first. Money and riches would naturally following later.

    Soccer will never catch on in the US. American sports fans (on a whole) love to see SCORING, particularly for team-based sports. They are not patient. They don't care about how graceful or well any particular sport is played. They like to see points on the scoreboard. Not sit through an hour and a half just to see a 1-1 tie game.

    How many times of we seen the professional leagues alter the rules to "liven up" the game? From lowering of the pitcher's mound in MLB, to the shotclock in the NBA, to the more recent changes in the NHL involving goaltenders. Bottomline, SCORING is what most people like to see.

    This is also the same reason why the NHL will never catch up to the level of popularity as the NBA, MLB, NFL, etc.. Sure, there was a time when Gretzky and Lemieux made it a little more exciting, but the NHL couldn't sustain it. Hockey, by it's nature is a defensive minded sport. If it wasn't for the fact that a touchdown was a wopping 6 points in football (to give the illusion of highscoring), even football wouldn't be as popular.
  • SnowballSnowball Posts: 361

    they're just confuse which football game image


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  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 632
    Watching a baseball game, the pitching, over and over, without a run, is just like the volleying back and forth of the soccer teams. Those who don't watch soccer don't understand the tempo, so of course are going to call it boring.

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