lasvegassportscardz?

Boopotts

Anyone have any experience buying their raw stuff? I seem to remember some unseemly details about this seller being revealed on these boards at one time, but I'm not sure if my memory is reliable. Any imput would be appreciated.

gregm13

It's funny because I was just looking at his stuff. His 1961 Topps fb looks very nice...

Regards,

Greg M.

Boopotts

<< <i>It's funny because I was just looking at his stuff. His 1961 Topps fb looks very nice...

Regards,

Greg M. >>



LOL! That's exactly what I was looking at. Some of it's pretty ragged, but there are a few gems in there (or so it appears).

RichG

I'm not sure what cards you guys are looking at, but I much rather buy a card that is graded vs a raw card (this is especially true when it comes to vintage cards). It will cost more this way, but in the long run it is well worth it.
Rich

Boopotts

<< <i>I'm not sure what cards you guys are looking at, but I much rather buy a card that is graded vs a raw card (this is especially true when it comes to vintage cards). It will cost more this way, but in the long run it is well worth it.
Rich >>



Rich, please-- we're all adults here. I don't doubt your heart is in the right place, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that gregm13 is, like myself, a savvy veteran of the Ebay jungle and is prudent enough to set his snipes for an amount that reflect the possibility that you'll get a trashy, overgraded card in the mail if you happen to be the high bidder for a raw card.

And as far as 'in the long run it's well worth it', all I have to say is that all events exist on a continuum of probability. I don't care what the particular results are of a particular transaction; all I care about is where I would end up if I made this same transaction, given the same base of knowledge, over an infinite number of trials. Some raw cards are 5$ purchases that you turn into $250 cards once you grade them. Some are $30 cards that turn out to be trimmed when you receive them. None of this comes as a surprise to anyone who frequents these boards.

SDavid

I bought a big lot of gu cards from them when they were destinsportscards and didn't have any problems. It turned out to be a very good deal. It seems like I've also bought modern rc's from them with good results too.

Could you be confusing their id with kallmalonesay's old id (lasvegassportscardheaven)? Not that he was involved in anything unseemly...but that might be why you remember seeing it.

Boopotts

<< <i>I bought a big lot of gu cards from them when they were destinsportscards and didn't have any problems. It turned out to be a very good deal.

Could you be confusing their id with kallmalonesay's old id (lasvegassportscardheaven)? Not that he was involved in anything unseemly...but that might be why you remember seeing it. >>



I considered that, but I don't think that's it. As I recall (again, I could be making this up) it had something to do with a big rip-off at a mall show, of all places, somewhere in the Southwest.

gregm13

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<< <i>I'm not sure what cards you guys are looking at, but I much rather buy a card that is graded vs a raw card (this is especially true when it comes to vintage cards). It will cost more this way, but in the long run it is well worth it.
Rich >>



Rich, please-- we're all adults here. I don't doubt your heart is in the right place, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that gregm13 is, like myself, a savvy veteran of the Ebay jungle and is prudent enough to set his snipes for an amount that reflect the possibility that you'll get a trashy, overgraded card in the mail if you happen to be the high bidder for a raw card.

And as far as 'in the long run it's well worth it', all I have to say is that all events exist on a continuum of probability. I don't care what the particular results are of a particular transaction; all I care about is where I would end up if I made this same transaction, given the same base of knowledge, over an infinite number of trials. Some raw cards are 5$ purchases that you turn into $250 cards once you grade them. Some are $30 cards that turn out to be trimmed when you receive them. None of this comes as a surprise to anyone who frequents these boards. >>



I couldn't have said it better myself. To be perfectly honest, I have been right more often than I've been wrong buying raw cards. I recently bought a raw Henry Jordan rc for $8 which graded a PSA 8. It's a little o/c but still worth more than $250 (considering the last high end PSA 8 on E-Bay sold for nearly $500). Many cards in my sets are raw purchases that I've had graded.... Depending on the set, it's often much cheaper to buy nice raw and submit than to purchase already graded.

Regards,

Greg M.

RichG

boo and Greg:
Even though we all may be adults here, most of the adults I have seen and dealt with in a retail setting are IDIOTS. With this said, for every $25 raw card that turns into a $250 card there are many more $250 raw cards that turn into $25 cards. With this said, why would an adult want to buy a vintage raw card especially if they can't personally inspect the card in person? The answer is simple......there are alot of idiots in the world!
Rich

goose3

rich...

the thrill of the roll of the dice for some.
it's all about averages. you will win some and you will definitely lose some. If your winnings outnumber your losses and you are having fun, what does it matter?

pandrews

they used to be destinsportscards?.. they were from florida..

RichG

For the people who buy raw cards.....What happens when a seller advertises that the card he is selling is mint but when you receive the card you believe it would only grade a PSA 7? Do you complain, or do you realize that opinions regarding grades are highly subjective? If you're a complainer and not willing to take the risk in buying a raw card, you should not be so darn cheap and spend the extra money required to buy a card that is already graded. However, if you take it with a grain of salt, then great......bid away, and I wish you the best of luck.
Rich

Boopotts

<< <i>boo and Greg:
Even though we all may be adults here, most of the adults I have seen and dealt with in a retail setting are IDIOTS. With this said, for every $25 raw card that turns into a $250 card there are many more $250 raw cards that turn into $25 cards. With this said, why would an adult want to buy a vintage raw card especially if they can't personally inspect the card in person? The answer is simple......there are alot of idiots in the world!
Rich >>




Well then, the solution is not to bid $250 dollars on a raw card. Somehow I doubt either Greg or I are going to have triple digit snipes set on 1961 football commons.

Adults would buy a vintage raw card that they can't inspect in person because you can get a decent idea of the card's condition from a scan, and like I said before-- and will say again-- you base your decision on your assesssment of the probabilities of all identifiable outcomes. You're obviously a guy that deals in absolutes, so this may seem like so much jibberish to you, but many of us take a probabilistic approach to issues of this sort. If I think, judging from the scan, that a card has a 10% of coming back an 8, a 60% chance of coming back a 7, and a 30% of being a POS that was overgraded by an unscrupulous seller than a take all these probabilities into account when deciding how much to bid.

If a friend of a friend called you up one day, and said he heard you collected baseball cards and wanted to know if you were interested in any of his, would you just say 'no' if he told you one of the cards was an ungraded 1952 Mantle because 'it might be counterfeit'? No, you wouldn't. Even if you had no ability to distinguish anything but the grossest fakes from the real deal you'd still offer him a price once you looked at the card, and that price would reflect the degree of uncertainty that you had towards its authenticity. The same thing applies to buying raw on Ebay.

RichG

boo:
Even though you said quite a bit, you never did answer my question (you must be a democrat). If you buy a raw card from ebay listed by the seller as mint (regardless of price), but once you recieve the card feel that the card would only grade a PSA 7, will you complain? My point was anyone who would should spend the extra money required to buy the card already graded.
Rich

pandrews

i buy raw cards all the time on eBay..

i've had great success doing it..

and no, i dont complain when i get one that was overgraded..

itzagoner

(you must be a democrat).

Boopotts

<< <i>boo:
Even though you said quite a bit, you never did answer my question (you must be a democrat). If you buy a raw card from ebay listed by the seller as mint (regardless of price), but once you recieve the card feel that the card would only grade a PSA 7, will you complain? My point was anyone who would should spend the extra money required to buy the card already graded.
Rich >>




I've answered your question twice already-- I just didn't spell it out, since I figured you were smart enough to deduce the answer (but don't worry, I won't make that mistake again since it appears that you're a republican).


So, for a third time.... The answer is no. Why? Because like I already said I've accounted for the fact that the card may be overgraded trash when I put in my bid. Over an infinite number of trials I may expect 10% of the raw cards I buy to be PSA 8 worthy, 50% to be PSA 7 worthy, and 40% to be worse than that. Armed with these numbers I place a bid. If I win a particular auction, and the card shows up with worn corners, what do I care? I've already assumed 40% of the cards I get will be offgrade, so why does it matter if this one is one of the 60% that was 'as advertised', or one of the 40% that were over graded? It doesn't. I just take a long run approach, and let the numbers even themselves out. Like Crash Davis said, 'sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes it rains'. The results of any particular trial don't matter- it's the aggregate results that are important.

Could I get all bunged up about one $5 auction? Sure, I guess I could. But it's not worth my time to volley emails back and forth with the seller, package and return the card, wait around for a refund, etc. etc., when I can just list it on Ebay and get back about what I would have received had I returned it to the original seller (I'll sell it for a little less than I paid for it, on average, but I also won't get a full refund from the seller on account of the fact that I won't have any of the shipping charges returned to me). Plus some sellers will just block you from bidding on future auctions if you return a card, so there's an opportunity cost to be considered if I elect to demand a refund.

Guys like you who take a maximin approach to decision making are always going to leave value on the table, since you're not properly weighing all the relevant variables. If you're paranoid about 'getting screwed' then you will miss some great deals-- it's just that simple.

Boopotts

<< <i>i buy raw cards all the time on eBay..

i've had great success doing it..

and no, i dont complain when i get one that was overgraded.. >>




And WHY don't you complain, Perry? (drum roll, please......)

Because you ALREADY ACCOUNTED for the fact that this may happen when you set your bid price.

fsjeter

Nope, never purchased from them. If it's any consolation, I live in Las Vegas so if you do have any problems, LMK. I'll help any way I can.

Scott

Edited to add: Within the law that is!