What was Kit Young thinking when he listed this Molitor RC?

fsjeter

I know the 1978 Topps #707 Molitor RC is tough in high grade but $75.00 for a PSA 7 is just silliness.

Scott

slatsme

It's an ugly 7 at that

baseballfanatic

I do silly things like that also after eating 4 hoagies, three bags of chips and a sixpack of pepsi in one sitting. Adrenalin rush...........

itzagoner

KY overprices all his stuff...just like Levi Bleam(707 Sportscards)

RichG

As a seller, I like to start auctions with a high fixed buy it now price too. However, I'll lower the price every 24 hours or so until I either sell the item or until I hit my minimum sell price. Also, one thing I always do for buy it now listings under $2,000 is make immediate payment manditory. I much rather see a seller do what this seller is doing compared to starting his auction for 1 cent only to cancel it because he is afraid that his item will sell too low.
Rich

fsjeter

<< <i>As a seller, I like to start auctions with a high fixed buy it now price too. However, I'll lower the price every 24 hours or so until I either sell the item or until I hit my minimum sell price. Also, one thing I always do for buy it now listings under $2,000 is make immediate payment manditory. I much rather see a seller do what this seller is doing compared to starting his auction for 1 cent only to cancel it because he is afraid that his item will sell too low.
Rich >>



Nothing wrong with that approach but he's not lowering it. If he is then his original BIN was absurdly high. There are currently three other PSA 7's listed with BIN's of $24.95, $24.99, and $34.99 respictively. Heck, there are three PSA 8 (NQ) listed with BIN's of $54.99 (Kruk cards), $55.00, and $59.99. Doesn't seem to smart to me to list it that high.

Scott

slatsme

I like when eBay has to 20 cent insertion days...put some cards I do not want to get rid of but if the price is right....money talks. Example - I had bought a 57 Topps Ted Kluszweski on Naxcom for $95.00. I put it on eBay with a Buy It Now for $225.00 (I know way high, but that's the point) w/ the option of submitting me an offer. I got an offer for $145.00 and could not resist. Still give the buyer a control device - has worked for me many times.

gregm13

Maybe he accidentally added two zeros at the end...

Greg M.

WinPitcher

bri2327

<< <i>KY overprices all his stuff...just like Levi Bleam(707 Sportscards) [/


The difference though is that Young is a POS, while Levi is a great guy.

Also levi knows what he is doing.


Steve >>



Frankly I am tired of hearing how nice Levi is. His cards are without a doubt the most insanely overpriced in the hobby.

larryallen73

His cards are without a doubt the most insanely overpriced in the hobby.

Expensive cards doesn't mean he isn't nice though!?

RichG

I don't know either of the guys. However, I don't care who is nice or who isn't with regards to sellers. All I care about is who will ship what I bought/won in a reasonable amount of time. You don't have to be nice to do this. Heck, look at me.
Rich

bri2327

<< <i>His cards are without a doubt the most insanely overpriced in the hobby.

Expensive cards doesn't mean he isn't nice though!? >>




Very true. I am not doubting he is nice. He may help old ladies cross the street and could have saved a few drowing kittens. My point was that people tend to overlook or accept how outrageous his prices are just because he may be nice. There are plenty of great people in the hobby who provide quality merchandise and friendly service without trying to put you in the poor house.

BugOnTheRug

It may be silliness for those of us in the know, but for a causal collecting observer surfing the web with his 'impulse buy' button pushed, I could see it selling. For me the risk of this type of pricing outweighs the reward, as the vast majority of those interested in this type of auction are the well-informed. Simply put, it tarnishes the seller's image imo.

He has a hand-collated 84D set for $100, and a quick check of past auctions shows these rarely go over $50 (usually $35-45) unless it's an extremely high-end example, which his is not - but there it is for all to see.

I'm sure he has his reasons; he's been in the business a loooong time so he must be doing something right.

Bill

itzagoner

<< <i>I don't know either of the guys. However, I don't care who is nice or who isn't with regards to sellers. All I care about is who will ship what I bought/won in a reasonable amount of time. You don't have to be nice to do this. Heck, look at me.
Rich >>



What's in that cup Mr. Happy Face is drinkin' from Rich?? Maybe it needs to switch to decaf, Nudge, Wink

calleocho

Levi probably has the bigger and most varied inventory of any dealer out there.

I also hear that he is very fair when he buys your cards.

bri2327

<< <i>Levi probably has the bigger and most varied inventory of any dealer out there.

I also hear that he is very fair when he buys your cards. >>




He can afford to be very fair since he will charge triple the going rate when he flips and sells your cards.

jad22

Yes, the bi-monthly Levi and his overpriced card thread. That 1953 bowman was missing an entire corner and he was still selling it for a couple hundred dollars.

RichG

I still don't understand what people are complaining about. If you don't like the seller's prices, simply don't buy his products. Somebody is obviously buying his stuff. Like I said earlier, I give the guy credit for not playing the 1 cent starting bid game.
Rich

WinPitcher

bri2327

I wasnt complaining about Levis prices, just stating facts. I havnt bought from him, but then again, I would buy from him if I found something I really wanted at a reasonable price. I just think its funny how some people are in such denial about his high prices that they go to the end of the earth to defend him and make excuses. You would think he sends a gift certificate for a free trip to the local asian massage parlor with every purchase.

jmbkb4

Let's not go down this road again, please.

SoFLPhillyFan

<< <i>I wasnt complaining about Levis prices, just stating facts. I havnt bought from him, but then again, I would buy from him if I found something I really wanted at a reasonable price. I just think its funny how some people are in such denial about his high prices that they go to the end of the earth to defend him and make excuses. You would think he sends a gift certificate for a free trip to the local asian massage parlor with every purchase. >>




Actually...with three you get eggroll.

onlyanumber

Never had a problem with Levi--in fact I'll second Winpitcher on the being able to buy one of Levi's cards lower than other recent ebay sales of the same card. Levi also takes great pride in how he packages your cards.

Will not buy from Kit Young.

jad22

Is kit really as enormous as people have mentioned?

itzagoner

<< <i>Is kit really as enormous as people have mentioned? >>



he has a very large presence in the industry, but insults are mean, he's just no fun to deal with as evidenced by the many anti-Kit responses

RichG

bri:
Like I said earlier, I don't know this seller. However, I consider him to be a lot smarter than the people who start their auctions for 1 penny when they really want a minimum of $100 for their item.
Rich

bri2327

Rich, I hear what youre saying completely. Here is my point, if you have a card you paid $60 for, knew it was going for around $80, and wanted $100 that would be fine. Levi would ask $250 for it in most instances.

RichG

bri:
Well, if that's the case......I'll agree with you 100%.
Rich

Boopotts

<< <i>I have bought cards from levi 3 or 4 times. each time I did i was able to get the cards for less then what the previous example sold for on ebay.

So besides being a great guy, who ships right away, he also pays fairly when buying. Oh did I mention that he trades too? All one has to do is look through the inventory that he has and one can find diamons in the ruff.

I have also won an auction or two from him as well and the cards were hi end for the grade.


Kit Young sends 'unopened wax case' worth 1000.00 in another years case. That is after he went thru all the boxes and left the duds for me. An 'unopened wax case should yield at least 12 of each card. Funny how the 3 money cards at the time were lacking in that 'case' POS


If you do not like Levi's prices do not buy from him. It is simple. I however will continue looking through his inventory for items that I need that I can get at a beetter price then I can anywhere else.



Steve >>




What a sleaze. Please, Steve, we need to know-- what case was it?

WinPitcher

WinPitcher

Boopotts

<< <i>Boo

It was back in 87. I bought a case of 84 topps wax. The 84 boxes were repacked into an empty 87 case. I had a shop back then and not one kid got a mattingly. If 4 were in that case that was alot. Boggs we got maybe a half dozen. When the case came I called them up and they assured me it was from a sealed case and that I had nothing to worry about. the exact words were "it should not matter" well it did matter. My guess is that after opening many cases and getting what he thought was the most he could out of a case what remained was put into this case. It left a serious foul taste in my mouth. a grand back then was top dollar. anyway life went on.

Steve >>




That is a total bush league move, and I'm glad you told me about it. I don't give a damn if it happened 19 years ago-- jobbing someone on a whole frickin' CASE of cards is about a low as you can go.

Assuming equal dollars I think it's worse than selling someone a trimmed or counterfeit card. When you sell a PRO-worthy card the poor schlep who bought it will eventually suffer through about 20 agonizing seconds when he realizes he got screwed. With a case of cards, though, the pain extends for 6 or 7 hrs. as you dutifully tear through the case. Psychologically it's just that much more crippling.

Anyway, this jerk-ass is permanently off my buy list. Thanks for the heads up.

Boopotts

<< <i>Bri

I agree Levi does want top dollar for his cards. however if you look hard enough through his website you can find bargains.


that is all i was trying to say. Add that with his A+++ customer service and it can be a decent place to get some hard to find cards.

I was able to get 3 hard low pop cards for my 65 set that way. Cheaper then they went for on ebay at the time. for 100.00 I got the same cards (IMO nicer) that ebay's for 175.00

Steve

Steve >>




I have to agree. Like many here I find Levis prices at least mildly offensive and insulting, but at least the price is something you know up front. The stuff that really gets to me are the details about how the transaction is going to go that you couldn't possibly have access to before you pay; i.e., the card will take 6 weeks to ship, you'll receive menacing emails from the psychologically unhinged seller if you complain after receiving the card, and so on. As long as the dealer handles all the variables that the buyer is necessarily uninformed about with class and professionalism I can't really complain.

Carew29

which reminds me of the 1967 PSA 8 Rod Carew that 707 is selling for $750

WarHoundR69

Now this is very interesting. I posted on the Non-Sports forum about a great buy I got from Kit Young. Specifically - Horrors of War No. 288, which Kit had in his Ebay store , graded as EX, with a BIN of $37.95. I bought it, sent it to PSA and the card came back as a PSA5. n This is the last card in the set and is very difficult to find in decent condition. The pop on this card is 1/4 ( Including my card) with none higher. I have seen a PSA2 of this card sell for over $70.00 & a PSA5OC sell for over $250.00 ( Both on Ebay). Not sure what a PSA5 would go for.

Boopotts

<< <i>Now this is very interesting. I posted on the Non-Sports forum about a great buy I got from Kit Young. Specifically - Horrors of War No. 288, which Kit had in his Ebay store , graded as EX, with a BIN of $37.95. I bought it, sent it to PSA and the card came back as a PSA5. n This is the last card in the set and is very difficult to find in decent condition. The pop on this card is 1/4 ( Including my card) with none higher. I have seen a PSA2 of this card sell for over $70.00 & a PSA5OC sell for over $250.00 ( Both on Ebay). Not sure what a PSA5 would go for. >>



Well, Kit's only human-- he's allowed to make a mistake now and then.

But don't tell him about this; it may force him to slither off to his basement and drink rat's blood as he prays for forgiveness from the Dark Lord....

I shouldn't bash on him like this, since I didn't know anything about him until this thread popped up. But it's 2 am., and if you can't bash card dealers you've never dealt with before in the early am hours, when can you do it?

WinPitcher

bishop

I agree with Winpitcher that Levi Bleam is a quality, dependable, and fair delear. I also agree that Kit Young is a "large" presence in the hobby

CDsNuts

Boo, don't feel bad about bashing a dealer. When all else fails, read your sig.

This reminds me of a story about a local dealer in Maryland back in the 90s. I had bought a lot of stuff from him over the years for somebody my age- always bought my boxes there. Traded a lot of stuff to him at the riduclous 1/2 book policy dealers had back then. One day I went into his shop and say a 1990 John Stockton SLU on the wall priced at $30. This was back in the heyday of SLU's and Tuff Stuff had it booked at around $70. I told him I wanted it and had to go to my car to get my wallet. When I came back inside, he handed it to me with a $70 price tag. I put it down and left immediately never to return. F-U Brent from Brent's Baseball Cards!

Lee

ken61

I have had good experiences with both.

Kit Young has a great selection of collector-grade material from the 50s and 60s. Overall, I'd say he grades fairly, and some of his stuff is reasonably priced.

I have purchased plenty of graded cards from Levi Bleam and have never been disappointed.

WarHoundR69

Well I posted a picture of the HOW #288, in my Registry Set, that I got from Kit Young at a bargain price (Sorry I don't know how to post a link). The card would have graded higher but with a OC Qualifier. I requested NO QUALIFIERS when I submitted the card. Bought it for a BIN of $37.95. I've only seen 2 copies of this card graded by PSA sell on Ebay (In the last year). A PSA2 sold in the 70 dollar range and a PSA5OC went for about $225.00, so obviously I'm very pleased with the purchase. In PSA5 the card has a pop of 1/4 with none higher.