1962 Topps #359 Bobby Locke - SGC 92 - Crack it? No 9's, only 11 PSA 8's - GRADES POPPED!

Bosox1976

Watching the PSA 8 Mazeroski ending soon Maz Link makes me want to crack this toughie out, but I suspect my odds on pulling the one and only 9 are no better than 10%. So, my question is this - sell as is (the highest graded ever by SGC/PSA - don't really care about BVG or GAI) - or crack it and take an 8, with a shot at a 9?

Don (Mariner), Scott Susor, Jim/Brian, SE, or anyone else who does tough 1962's please let me know. I am sending in a big batch of 1963's this week and may or may not include it.

Thanks guys. Sorry for the huge scans, but I want the flaws to show. The slight snow will not be an issue (IMHO) based on all of my other 1962 submissions.

Divy1

I've gotten PD qualifier for less snow than that card.

mariner

Mike....

I would crack it out (very carefully) and send to PSA. I think it would get an 8 for sure but I think the chances of a 9 are pretty slim. The slight snow it has will keep it out of a 9 holder IMHO. But, the heavy hitters would love a shot at an 8, I am sure. If you consider keeping it in the SGC holder, I think the old flip and holder would work against you. Many think that early SGC were overgraded. I just really think you would do better with it in a PSA 8 holder. I know, buy the card, not the holder, but the guys who are paying big money for the likes of Maz are on the registry.

It is a tough call and the best of luck with whatever you decide to do. If it is your lucky day, you may get a 9.

Bosox1976

Thanks for the insight Don. I haven't done anything with 1962's since I sold off my complete registry set, so I appreciate your input.

I am thinking that this might be one of the rare instances when a crossover makes sense (with a minimum grade of 8).

cmoking

I don't know much about 62 Topps, but those bottom corners and the snow would worry me. I wouldn't be surprised if it did not get a straight PSA 8. But again, I have very little experience with 62 Topps, so take that for what it is worth.

Griffins

I"ve had a tough time with SG (as opposed to SGC) slabs. None have ever crossed when cracked, while SGC's have almost always stayed the same or bumped up into PSA holders. I'd go with crossover service on this one, at least the first time thru.

scottsusor

I have submitted many cards with varying amounts of "snow" on them, including an absolutely gorgeous 1962 Don Landrum, with 4 perfect corners, perfect centering, and with way less "snow" than the pictured 1962 Bobby Locke card. The Landrum got a PSA 7. I sent it in to Joe for a personal review. He agreed with the PSA 7 grade because of the "snow." Thus, I'm afraid you're looking at a 1962 Bobby Locke PSA 7 card.

Scott

packCollector

I think all of the points made about the snow are valid BUT if the card was sent in 3 times , it would get an 8 on one of them. everyone is saying that they have gotten pd's and 7's on cards with way less snow but I have definately seen 8's on cards with more snow. it's the same deal with yaz rookies, there are tons of 8's out there with that black crud all over them and then there are others with the crud that have pd qualifiers or are in 7 holders. sending the card to Joe for review is useless because he is going to agree with his graders no matter what when there is "grey" area like the case of snow.

Kurtman9

Crossover - very little chance for an 8 and just wasting your $ & time IMO - based on my past experience with crossovers - if there is any doubt whatsover, you'll get M/G. Also, ditto what Don said about the old SG flip.

Crack and submit - good chance for an 8 - may have to submit a couple of times, but it end up in an 8 holder based on the scan.

packCollector

<< <i>I am thinking that this might be one of the rare instances when a crossover makes sense (with a minimum grade of 8). >>



I would only agree if you were keeping the card for your set in your collection. what is that card worth in the old sg flip ? not to much I would suspect. the thing that makes that card worth anything is a psa registry set so if you crack it and it doesn'tget the grade you want after 3 trys , you are at the same place. you have a nice card that is not worth a heck of a lot. if it gets an 8 , then you just made a nice score.

GlynRParson

have submitted many cards with varying amounts of "snow" on them, including an absolutely gorgeous 1962 Don Landrum, with 4 perfect corners, perfect centering, and with way less "snow" than the pictured 1962 Bobby Locke card. The Landrum got a PSA 7. I sent it in to Joe for a personal review. He agreed with the PSA 7 grade because of the "snow." Thus, I'm afraid you're looking at a 1962 Bobby Locke PSA 7 card.

did you resubmit if not you should have at least 5 times if it was that strong you would have eventually got your 8

usmc1986

Bottom two corners would lower it to an 8 or more likely, a very high end 7. Depends on the grader!

mikeschmidt

Bottom two corners keep it from any chance of a 9, imho

miami3

PSA is very tough on giving 9's on cards with snow and I have had some come back as 7's even though they had razor sharp corners and
real nice centering.....its really a crapshoot on how the grader feels about the overall appearance of the card with the snow.

gaspipe26

I agree with Scott on this one. It will 7 because of snow.

Bosox1976

Well, I sent it in for a crossover review (in the SGC holder) with a minimum grade of 8 NQ - here are the results:

PSA Order Status for Submission # 597802


LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 06405742 1962 TOPPS 359 BOBBY LOCKE N/A 8

Date Received: 07/05/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 07/11/2006
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

Got it!

scottsusor

Mike,

A bit surprising, but here's my take. Part of my discussion with Joe concerning the 62 Landrum PSA 7 (got the 7 because of the "snow") was that PSA SHOULD BE treating "snow" the same way they do other detractions, such as egde wear, corner wear, centering, etc. In other words, I suggested that "light snow" should perhaps knock a PSA 9 down to a PSA 8, instead of to a PSA 7. "Heavy snow" should knock a PSA 9 down to a PSA 7. Minus the "snow," your card is probably not a 9 (bottom right corner wear) but its a very high 8. I've also seen a few other cards, including a couple that I have submitted, get a PSA 8 NQ grade despite very light "snow." Thus, it looks like our discussion had some effect, and perhaps some other submitters had a similar opinion. Too bad it didn't happen in time for my 62 Landrum but overall, its a slight grading change that is, in my opinion, a worthwhile one.

Scott

Bosox1976

Thanks Scott. I would agree that snow is treated inconsistently - the 62 mays card seems to be plagued by snow and I have graded a few with much more snow than this card and never got a pd - that's why I thought it no problem in my initial post - but seems like some of the submitters (including you) haven't been so fortunate. Who's got your Landrum? I'd love to send it in to "my grader"!

packCollector

<< <i>Thus, it looks like our discussion had some effect, and perhaps some other submitters had a similar opinion. Too bad it didn't happen in time for my 62 Landrum but overall, its a slight grading change that is, in my opinion, a worthwhile one.
>>



doubt that is the case , it is just the fact that it is viewed differently and like I said 20 posts before , if this card was sent in 3 times , it would get the 8 eventually. luckily for bosox, it only took 1 try

Morgoth

I have a GAI 8.5 62 Maz that I am going to be sending in soon. I wonder if it is worth going for the review service or cracking them out. It seems PSA has a grudge against GAI.

mariner

Mike, congrats on the 8!

Stingray

Bottom two corners keep it from getting a 9, IMO.

riccaboni

<< <i>Bottom two corners keep it from any chance of a 9, imho >>



I agree with Marc on this one; especially the bottom left corner.

EDIT: D'oh, didn't read the whole thread.

Congrats on the 8!

mikeschmidt

Ian:

Where have you been? Have missed you around here.

calleocho

my guess is girls ...ahh to be young