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List of stolen bust half dollars

MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942 ✭
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The following were stolen from dealer Wes Chormicle. If you think you find any of them contact him via
the newsgroup rec.collecting.coins


The following Bust Half Dollars are missing and presumed stolen. The
coins were sent to ANACS for re-holder and disappeared while at ANACS
sometime in the past 100 days. All are in old style ANACS holders.

Date Overton # Grade
1808 104 AU53
1809 101 EF40
1809 102a AU53
1809 103 AU58
1809 104 EF45
1809 109a AU55
1809 105 AU50
1809 112 VF35
1810 101 AU55
1810 102a MS60
1810 108 AU55
1811 105a AU58
1811 112 AU58
1812 105a AU55
1812 109 MS62
1813 108 AU55
1814 101a AU55
1814 105a AU58
1814 106a AU50
1817 107 AU55
1818 104a AU58
1818 108 AU55
1818 111 AU55
1819 105 AU53
1819 107 AU58
1819 110a MS61
1819 114 AU55
1820 104 AU55
1821 101a AU55
1821 102 AU55
1821 106 AU58
1821 107 AU53
1822 102 AU55
1822 103a AU50
1822 106 AU58
1823 101 AU55
1824 104 AU55
1824 108 AU55
1824 111 MS62
1825 103 AU53
1825 107 AU58
1825 113 AU58
1826 119 MS60
1826 120a AU58
1827 101 MS62
1827 102 AU58
1827 108a AU58
1827 109 AU55
1827 107 AU58
1827 121 MS60
1827 131 AU58
1827 133 AU58
1827 142 MS61
1828 104 AU58
1829 111 AU55
1829 115 MS62
1829 117 AU58
1830 102 AU55
1830 105 AU55
1830 110 AU58
1830 111 AU58
1830 123 MS61
1831 104 AU58
1831 109 AU55
1832 105a AU55
1832 118 AU55
1832 121a AU58
1833 104 AU58
1833 105 AU58
1833 106 AU55
1833 108 AU58
1833 110 AU58
1834 101 AU58
1834 102 AU58
1834 107 AU58
1834 108 AU55
1834 109 AU58
1834 110 AU55
1834 112 AU55
1834 117 AU58


Comments

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While AT ANACS????
    That does NOT sound like good employees or security image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is going to be one heck of a check ANACS is going to have to draft...
    That is a hell of a nice group of coins.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭
    Did anyone check to see if Laura filled part of her big order recently? It might not hurt for ANACS to ask the big dealers if they happen to turn up. Many people know that Legend is hunting this and it's sad to say people might steal to make a quick buck.
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm, I notice not one 1807. Too bad this happened, it's also too bad that folks feel the need for the holder to be soooo important to put such coins at risk. Just my worthless opinion... again.image
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • ABC123ABC123 Posts: 2,627
    ANACS has insurance---let them look and/or pay you for their loss !
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Remind me not to send any coins to ANACS. Oh wait, I never intended to.
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭
    The coins were allegedly lost while in ANACS's possesion? Not while in route to ANACS? Or while en route back to the submitter?
    Greg Allen Coins, LLC Show Schedule: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/573044/our-show-schedule-updated-10-2-16 Authorized dealer for NGC, PCGS, CAC, and QA. Member of PNG, RTT (Founding Platinum Member), FUN, MSNS, and NCBA (formerly ICTA); Life Member of ANA and CSNS. NCBA Board member. "GA3" on CCE.
  • MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942 ✭


    << <i>While AT ANACS????
    That does NOT sound like good employees or security image >>




    In the dealers own words:

    They were sent registered for $60K. Post Office paperwork shows they
    > were delivered to ANACS. ANACS has no record of the shipment or the
    > coins. This represents a good chunk of one of the finest Bust Half
    > collections in the country.
    > Wes


    So, according to the post office someone signed for them at ANACS, while ANACS says they have
    no record of receiving the coins.
  • mepotmepot Posts: 585 ✭✭✭
    Forget the money,to lose a collection like that is enough to make a grown man cry.

    Looks like ANACS has some explaining to do.image
    computer illiterate,becoming coin literate with the help of this forum.
  • MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942 ✭


    << <i>Forget the money,to lose a collection like that is enough to make a grown man cry.

    Looks like ANACS has some explaining to do.image >>




    If the post office has signed receipts from ANACS someone should be in big trouble.

    A lawsuit would be in order IMO.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeese, that would make me absolutely ill to have my own busties lost like that much less a selection like that.

    That doesn't speak well for ANACS at all. How can they possibly explain that away? Sure, insurance will pay off, but

    they can never regain that level of credibility that was lost when those coins disappeared.
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭
    Major bummerimage
    Greg Allen Coins, LLC Show Schedule: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/573044/our-show-schedule-updated-10-2-16 Authorized dealer for NGC, PCGS, CAC, and QA. Member of PNG, RTT (Founding Platinum Member), FUN, MSNS, and NCBA (formerly ICTA); Life Member of ANA and CSNS. NCBA Board member. "GA3" on CCE.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,358 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>While AT ANACS????
    That does NOT sound like good employees or security image >>




    In the dealers own words:

    They were sent registered for $60K. Post Office paperwork shows they
    > were delivered to ANACS. ANACS has no record of the shipment or the
    > coins. This represents a good chunk of one of the finest Bust Half
    > collections in the country.
    > Wes


    So, according to the post office someone signed for them at ANACS, while ANACS says they have
    no record of receiving the coins. >>





    Moral of the story....don't trust ANACS with your prized possessions at this time as there appears to be too many "technical difficulties"

    Send in your ugly coins until it is all worked out.....

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I know that if more than one registered package is delivered at the same time, only one signature card must be signed. It is likely ANACS receives many registered packages each delivery so maybe someone counted the number of packages wrong by one. This sounds like a strange policy, but it has happened to me when I received two registered packages and only signed once. I verified the process with another postal delivery man.

    My conclusion is that it would be possible that the package was never delivered to ANACS, or the package was delivered and an ANACS employee "lost" it.

    It will take a long time to find replacements for all 80 lost coins. Now I am glad I decided NOT to send my Busties to ANACS to be reholdered into the new style holder. I still wonder how the dealer managed $60,000 insurance on a registered package.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • slumlord98slumlord98 Posts: 1,180 ✭
    I hope this has an acceptable outcome for the owner. The coins will reappear in the marketplace at some point, and a new 1809 O.101 in EF will be noticed.
  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭

    Based on the information provided, ANACS will have to compensate the owner of the coins. It will end up in court.

    PS - is it possible that the coins were misplaced during their recent move to Texas? This is really sad news for Wes.
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  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK so the coins were in old ANACS holders....and being sent for the new ones.... ouch....
    Jon Lerner - Scarsdale Coin - www.CoinHelp.com
  • DjordDjord Posts: 457
    I have had multiple registered mail deliveries at one time and had to sign a card for each.
    Each box has a unique serial code.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have had multiple registered mail deliveries at one time and had to sign a card for each.
    Each box has a unique serial code. >>

    Yes, this is what is "usually" done, but apparently not always done.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,949 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have had multiple registered mail deliveries at one time and had to sign a card for each.
    Each box has a unique serial code. >>



    Some carriers do it that way. My carrier lumps several packages on one card, and if I stand there checking the numbers against the packages he kvetches and moans about me not trusting him and wasting his time. I check them anyways.

    It is possible that ANACS signed for the package but did not receive it. If so, it is their loss. Always know what you are signing.

    Tom D.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭
    Serial numbers would be helpful.

    And I have always had to sign a seperate card for each registered package as well. I think if they asked me to just sign one I would start wanting to know why. I guess it would be possible to put multiple box numbers on one card but it would strike me as odd and make me check things more closely. On the other hand I don't get as many each day as ANACS does so they might see it as standard procedure.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Who is this dealer Wes Chormicle mentioned as being the person who had the coins stolen? Did he ship this unknown Bust Collector's coins to ANACS?
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • MajorDutyMajorDuty Posts: 1,998
    Man that just sucks!

    "

    << <i>The coins were sent to ANACS for re-holder.... >>

    "

    WHY? Hoping for upgrades? Likes the new, utterly cheap and flimsy holders better? Just another example of how rediculous this slab game is. I do feel for Wes Chormicle, but I bet he's asking "why" about now.

    I'd really like to know what was "wrong" with the "old" holders. I doubt I'll get a straight answer.

    As stman said, just mwo.

    image
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ouch! I hope the owner recovers his property.

    bet no one's cursing ANACS more loudly than this fellow. any news?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Serial numbers would be helpful.

    And I have always had to sign a seperate card for each registered package as well. I think if they asked me to just sign one I would start wanting to know why. I guess it would be possible to put multiple box numbers on one card but it would strike me as odd and make me check things more closely. On the other hand I don't get as many each day as ANACS does so they might see it as standard procedure

    xxxxxxzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    I have had several packages on one pink card but EACH package still has to be scanned in individually.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • ttxpttxp Posts: 576
    If stolen by an employee at ANACS or while in transit, I suspect those coins have all been cracked. This will cost ANACS far more than a sixty-thousand dollar loss, the anxiety created about sending coins to them will cost ten fold in lost business.
    "To know the road ahead, ask those coming back"
  • FlyfishguyFlyfishguy Posts: 333
    A fax was waiting for us when we returned from the Mesquite, NV coin show.
    James Taylor himself stated that ANACS found a box containing 80 ANACS
    holdered Bust Half Dollars.

    So I can breath now.....

    I may have to re-think sending coins to ANACS for a while.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All's well that ends well.......
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ANACS found a box containing 80 ANACS holdered Bust Half Dollars.

    so, they lose and then later find boxes of expensive coins? Scaring their submitters for what reason? a fun joke?

    or is it merely inept security and chain-of-custody procedures?


    All's well that ends well....... yeah, kind of image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I think it would be a good idea to edit/update the thread title.image
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,710 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All's well that ends well....... >>

    I agree it's better than it was before, but I'm not sure I can simply say all's well that ends well. This is a situation that should never happen, we need some response from ANACS (maybe not here, but somehow they need to face up to this) as to how they intend to address their lack of procedures and processes.

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