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Will PSA detect a surface crease on resubmission?

natetrooknatetrook Posts: 613 ✭✭✭
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I received a grade of PSA-5 on a 1954 common.

Thought for sure it was an 8, but looking at it carefully, there is even so slight a surface crease on the reverse.
Sound familiar???

What are the chances that PSA would detect it again. Would anyone resubmit?
Or do you think a PSA-5 with sharp corners would go for more than a regular 5,
with an accurate description on E-Bay on why it received a 5.

Any help appreciated.
Nate

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  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 632
    i don't know about the value of your card but i would think they would catch it every time you submit it..
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    If you are not confident that PSA will notice a crease on a resubmit you shouldn't be submitting to them in the first place or buying psa graded cards for that matter. On top of that let say hypothetically the card makes it through and gets a 7 you plan on selling it knowing full well it is actually a 5. Doesn't sound very ethical to me.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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  • ToadToad Posts: 101
    If that card eventually gets graded by PSA as a 7 and he sells it as a 7, why is that unethical? Furthermore, a tiny surface wrinkle on the back doesn't sound all that terrible to me. In fact, most people wouldn't even notice it or care. I'd take that over a rough cut card every time... and those, for whatever dumb reason, don't get penalized. I have a few PSA 9 rough cuts that look plain ugly. Heck, a couple of them were even victims of the dreaded slant cut.
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    Welll considering the only chance in hell that card has of getting into a 7 holder is if the wrinkle is pressed out it is completely unethical.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • NathanSrNathanSr Posts: 509 ✭
    This is why I love Karma. Just do not come on here in the future complaining about overgraded PSA cards.
    Successful purchases: Lawnmowerman(2), Wabittwax, mkg809, thePlasticman

    Successful sales: xphunk, vjsteele4, onefasttalon, five7teen, yankeeno7

    Successful trades: mijang

    Generous Souls: MBMiler25, DES1984
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭


    << <i>This is why I love Karma. Just do not come on here in the future complaining about overgraded PSA cards. >>



    Agree completely some people complain all the time about dealers getting breaks on grades and cards that are undergraded until they get a grade themselves that they feel is too low. And in this case the guy knows it deserves the grade it got and is hoping PSA misses something. image
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 632
    true.. the ethical thing to do would be either keep it, or sell it as is and take the loss.. happens every day
  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    I think it would only be unethical it you believe that a card with a barely noticable wrinkle (not a crease) is deserving of a 5. I happen to think it's crazy and I think the card should be in a 7 or 8 holder so I would personally have no problem selling that card because I believe that is the deserving grade. I really like PSA but that's one thing I disagree with them on.

    Also, I think that if your not altering the card in any way from it's original factory form, pressing out a wrinkle is not that bad of a thing. That's like saying that if you put a card in the middle of a book to flatten it out, then it's unethical.
  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    Also, what do you think of using panty hose to remove a wax stain? Is that unethical? I do it all the time and I think somebody would be crazy to intentionally take a ST qualifier when the card was not intentionally produced to have a wax stain on it. It was intended to come from Topps without a stain on it.
  • NathanSrNathanSr Posts: 509 ✭
    i]It was intended to come from Topps without a stain on it.

    One could be of the opinion that Topps most certainly intended for some of its cards to have a stain. After all, Topps is the one who chose that packaging process. If they did not want the wax to touch a single cards surface than they would have used a different process.

    Now, alteration is alteration. Some methods are more severe than others. You just need to decide what you are comfortable with and what you are not. Applying any alteration technique is about one thing........a higher grade. Which amounts to one of two things. A higher sale price or a higher GPA in the registry.

    Nathan Sr.
    Successful purchases: Lawnmowerman(2), Wabittwax, mkg809, thePlasticman

    Successful sales: xphunk, vjsteele4, onefasttalon, five7teen, yankeeno7

    Successful trades: mijang

    Generous Souls: MBMiler25, DES1984
  • ColleSystemColleSystem Posts: 512 ✭✭
    I had a 1977 Mike schmidt PSA 9 that I discovered a surface crease on. I actually just sold it last night on ebay. I stated the surface crease in the auction description.

    -Scott
    My sets:
    1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Wabbitt

    What happens if a person does in fact 'fix' the crease, it gets by PSA and one day the crease returns? Would you like for that to happen to you?

    What if you paid 1000.00 for that 8 instead of 25.00 for the 5. Is it still ok?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ToadToad Posts: 101
    I would not be bothered by a minor surface crease on the BACK of any card. That's just me.

    Resubmit!!
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Wabbitt

    What happens if a person does in fact 'fix' the crease, it gets by PSA and one day the crease returns? Would you like for that to happen to you?

    What if you paid 1000.00 for that 8 instead of 25.00 for the 5. Is it still ok?


    Steve >>



    I don't think anyone's arguing that pressing out the crease is the way to go. Wabbitt mentioned taking off the wax on a card because the wax obviously can't 'come back' at any point in the future. A crease obviously can, which makes it a different situation entirely.

    FWIW, I don't think there's anything wrong with submitting a card over and over if that's what you want to do. If it comes back a 7 or an 8, and the buyer finds the small crease in the back, then they can take it up with PSA if they want to. That's one of the reasons we pay 10$ a card for grading-- the price of these kinds of things is built in.
  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    Well, I would have a problem with a card in an 8 holder that has an actual crease in it. I'm not saying that pressing out a crease is a good thing, I'm just saying that it's not on the same altering level as trimming or recoloring. I personally wouldn't attempt to remove a crease though because it does seem shady and not really my thing.

    As for owning a PSA 8 with those "wrinkles" that PSA is so harsh on, the no, I wouldn't have a problem owning that card. Most of those cards in PSA 5 holders with those on it, are absolutely gorgeous cards and I think they deserve an 8 holder.
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