Will GAI 10 OPC Hockey Cross Over to PSA 10? HELP !!

poppie · June 10, 2006 11:20AM

I am looking to buy a key early 1980s OPC card that is clearly not sheet cut in a Beckett 9.5 that GAI will cross over to a 10 at the Chicago Show tomorrow. PSA is not there grading or I would have the cross over review done by PSA as I want this card in a PSA holder really bad!!!!! What are my chances???

Boopotts · June 10, 2006 11:39AM

<< I am looking to buy a key early 1980s OPC card that is clearly not sheet cut in a Beckett 9.5 that GAI will cross over to a 10 at the Chicago Show tomorrow. PSA is not there grading or I would have the cross over review done by PSA as I want this card in a PSA holder really bad!!!!! What are my chances??? >>

If you want it in a PSA holder, why would you put it into a GAI holder and THEN try to put it in a PSA holder? Why wouldn't you just keep it in the BGS holder and send that in for review?

Also, good luck on getting anything into a PSA 10 holder by using the crossover service. If you pulled that off I think you'd be the first guy to ever do it. If you really care (?) what holder the card is in you're probably going to have to crack it out and submit it that way.

poppie · June 10, 2006 11:45AM

<< If you want it in a PSA holder, why would you put it into a GAI holder and THEN try to put it in a PSA holder? Why wouldn't you just keep it in the BGS holder and send that in for review >>

I have not yet bought it and will not buy it in a Beckett holder as i want to make sure that it is not sheet cut. I am not at the show and a very good friend of mine that went specifically looking for PSA to review it with the seller. GAI does not grade sheet cut cards, and by the scan i received, it is a beauty!

rvc · June 10, 2006 11:58AM

how can you tell its not sheet cut from a scan?

WinPitcher · June 10, 2006 12:00PM

OPC card that is clearly not sheet cut in a Beckett 9.5 that GAI will cross over to a 10

as i want to make sure that it is not sheet cut.

HUH?

Steve

onlyanumber · June 10, 2006 12:01PM

I've had great luck turning GAI 9s into PSA 9s. Never tried a 10 though...

FRNAllStar · June 10, 2006 12:02PM

Sir, This would be my advice. Purchase the card. Have your card cross-over into a GAI 10 at the show tomorrow.
Available options:
Hold Your GAI 10.
Sell It as a GAI 10.

Now you are in the next process of your endeavour. At this point you will be in a much better position to "cross-over" the card to PSA.
If you are unsuccesful you shall have the option to sell or hold your card as a GAI 10.

Main "focus-point" of my advice.

GO FOR IT!

Boopotts · June 10, 2006 12:09PM

Actually, since a GAI 10 is technically 'pristine' (like a BGS 10), I'd probably buy it and flip it. You should get more for it than you would a PSA 10, at which point you can just go buy a PSA 10 and pocket the rest.

Also, what Steve said. Is it sheet cut or isn't it? It can't be 'clearly not sheet cut' and 'possibly sheet cut' at the same time.

poppie · June 10, 2006 12:11PM

<< Sir, This would be my advice. Purchase the card. Have your card cross-over into a GAI 10 at the show tomorrow. >>

I think you are right and thank you. I can tell from the scan that it is has the usual OPC edges on one side and am relying on a good friend that saw it to say it is not sheet cut. The seller is willing to have it reviewed before i buy it provided i pay GAI's fee of $50.00 but I am only after it for my PSA 10 collection..

Boopotts · June 10, 2006 12:16PM

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<< Sir, This would be my advice. Purchase the card. Have your card cross-over into a GAI 10 at the show tomorrow. >>

I think you are right and thank you. I can tell from the scan that it is has the usual OPC edges on one side and am relying on a good friend that saw it to say it is not sheet cut. The seller is willing to have it reviewed before i buy it provided i pay GAI's fee of $50.00 but I am only after it for my PSA 10 collection.. >>

What's the card?

FRNAllStar · June 10, 2006 12:22PM

I think your making a good decision. The cards are in your favor to take the risk.

chaz43 · June 10, 2006 12:33PM

<< how can you tell its not sheet cut from a scan? >>

Give me a break with the sheet cut stuff, PSA grades "hand cut" cards. chaz

Boopotts · June 10, 2006 12:49PM

<< 

<< how can you tell its not sheet cut from a scan? >>

Give me a break with the sheet cut stuff, PSA grades "hand cut" cards. chaz >>

Chaz, your opinion on this matter is well documented-- trust me. Other collectors have a right to pursue cards that conform to THEIR standards, however irrational you may think those standards are. If a guy gleefully collects hand cut cards, but refuses to be in the same room with a sheet cut, that's entirely his business. Nobody needs you coming on here every two weeks to play the role of the Cardboard Cop.

poppie · June 10, 2006 12:54PM

FRNAllStar: Thanks again for the solid words of wisdom. It's a high dollar card for my budget and I am most interested in collecting PSA not GAI cards, even though I know that they are very good in packs and vintage. Chaz.... always lovin' your cut the BS comments! The favorite card that I own is a PSA 9 hand cut Ty Cobb card!!!!!! I look at the Becketts of my man #19 cards and wonder if there will ever be a 1984 OPC #67 without a green puck in the net!

poppie · June 10, 2006 12:59PM

Boopotts'''' Cardboard Cop ??

Boopotts · June 10, 2006 1:24PM

<< Boopotts'''' Cardboard Cop ??

>>

That's the term I use when Chaz makes one of his much-anticipated monthly appearances and tells us either a) What we should be buying (see an earlier thread on 1989 Upper Deck unopened), or b) what we should be collecting. If we manage to get him real excited we may also be treated to a semi-literate tirade on how we all need to 'keep it real', and how there's no difference worth mentioning between any of the big three grading companies.

Boopotts · June 10, 2006 1:25PM

Poppie, is there some reason you're not telling us what this card is?

poppie · June 10, 2006 1:35PM

Boopotts I want to wait until I own it but if I could remember how the private message thing works, I would let you know that way. I still have never been able to place a link in a board without help nor post a scan. Very low tech!

chaz43 · June 10, 2006 11:47PM

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<< how can you tell its not sheet cut from a scan? >>

Give me a break with the sheet cut stuff, PSA grades "hand cut" cards. chaz >>

Chaz, your opinion on this matter is well documented-- trust me. Other collectors have a right to pursue cards that conform to THEIR standards, however irrational you may think those standards are. If a guy gleefully collects hand cut cards, but refuses to be in the same room with a sheet cut, that's entirely his business. Nobody needs you coming on here every two weeks to play the role of the Cardboard Cop. >>

Just trying to keep it real. And I am glad that it is finally getting through to you guys that it is subjective and to degrade and generalize about other reputable grading companies is childish and shallow. chaz

GlynRParson · June 11, 2006 12:54AM

here goes the dumb a$$ again that cant comprehend the difference from a card that could only be acquired in single form by being hand cut , and noted,and a card cut from a sheet then sold as it is no different from a regular card. ps gai sgc and bgs all grade hand cut cards if that were the only way they could be acquired.

ColleSystem · June 11, 2006 1:36AM

If it is a high dollar purchase, use pay pal funded with a credit card to make the deal. Have the seller draft a reciept that says it is not sheet cut. Then send it to PSA. If it comes back as sheet cut, file a claim stating that "The largest sports card grading company in the world has found this card to be sheet cut.", or along those lines.

-Scott

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 2:31AM

<< here goes the dumb a$$ again that cant comprehend the difference from a card that could only be acquired in single form by being hand cut , and noted,and a card cut from a sheet then sold as it is no different from a regular card. ps gai sgc and bgs all grade hand cut cards if that were the only way they could be acquired. >>

Stop being so childish and shallow. chaz

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 2:35AM

<< If it is a high dollar purchase, use pay pal funded with a credit card to make the deal. Have the seller draft a reciept that says it is not sheet cut. Then send it to PSA. If it comes back as sheet cut, file a claim stating that "The largest sports card grading company in the world has found this card to be sheet cut.", or along those lines.

-Scott >>

If it is a high dollar purchase, use pay pal funded with a credit card to make the deal. Have the seller draft a reciept that says it is not hand cut. Then send it to PSA. If it comes back as hand cut, file a claim stating that "The largest sports card grading company in the world has found this card to be hand cut.", or along those lines. chaz

Knuckles · June 11, 2006 3:33AM

In my search for a Grant Fuhr PSA 10 RC I found oodles of BGS 9.5's going for around $400... all sheetcut no doubt.. the pop for PSA 10's is around 20 for the card. I finaly found and won one for $150. Just wait and buy a PSA 10.. don't dink around with the other companies.

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 3:35AM

<< In my search for a Grant Fuhr PSA 10 RC I found oodles of BGS 9.5's going for around $400... all sheetcut no doubt.. the pop for PSA 10's is around 20 for the card. I finaly found and won one for $150. Just wait and buy a PSA 10.. don't dink around with the other companies. >>

GOT TO HATE THOSE SHEET CUT AND HAND CUT CARDS BOY'S!!!!! chaz

rvc · June 11, 2006 3:54AM

its sounding more and more like sheet cut to me

GlynRParson · June 11, 2006 5:29AM

Chaz you do understand that psa wont grade a hand cut Grant Fuhr Rookie? they only grade cards that the absolute only way you can have a single is if it is hand cut: Ie hostess, strip cards, things like that. if you have been misunderstanding what PSA hand cut means i am sorry for my attack.

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 6:34AM

<< its sounding more and more like sheet cut to me >>

its sounding more like hand cut to me

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 6:35AM

<< Chaz you do understand that psa wont grade a hand cut Grant Fuhr Rookie? they only grade cards that the absolute only way you can have a single is if it is hand cut: Ie hostess, strip cards, things like that. if you have been misunderstanding what PSA hand cut means i am sorry for my attack. >>

GOT TO HATE THOSE SHEET CUT AND HAND CUT CARDS BOY'S!!!!! chaz

poppie · June 11, 2006 11:02AM

<< GOT TO HATE THOSE SHEET CUT AND HAND CUT CARDS BOY'S!!!!! chaz >>

Chaz: I still think you are AOK !

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 11:21AM

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<< GOT TO HATE THOSE SHEET CUT AND HAND CUT CARDS BOY'S!!!!! chaz >>

Chaz: I still think you are AOK ! >>

Don't do me any favors, I don't need your phony support. I am quite capable of handling all these turkeys by myself and I have been doing it a long time. People on this board just got to stop the BS (although I don't think they will) with the sheet cut vs. hand cut crapola. chaz

poppie · June 11, 2006 12:39PM

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<< GOT TO HATE THOSE SHEET CUT AND HAND CUT CARDS BOY'S!!!!! chaz >>

Chaz: I still think you are AOK ! >>

Don't do me any favors, I don't need your phony support. I am quite capable of handling all these turkeys by myself and I have been doing it a long time. People on this board just got to stop the BS (although I don't think they will) with the sheet cut vs. hand cut crapola. chaz >>

Relax Chaz. Does your mother think you are ugly ???

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 12:44PM

<< 

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<< GOT TO HATE THOSE SHEET CUT AND HAND CUT CARDS BOY'S!!!!! chaz >>

Chaz: I still think you are AOK ! >>

Don't do me any favors, I don't need your phony support. I am quite capable of handling all these turkeys by myself and I have been doing it a long time. People on this board just got to stop the BS (although I don't think they will) with the sheet cut vs. hand cut crapola. chaz >>

Relax Chaz. Does your mother think you are ugly ???

>>

You relax son. Does your mother think that your ugly???? Huh.....???? Oh, and by the way...Detroit needs a new hockey team. chaz

poppie · June 11, 2006 12:55PM

<< You relax son. Does your mother think that your ugly???? Huh.....???? Oh, and by the way...Detroit needs a new hockey team. chaz >>

Chaz ... All I am saying is give peas a chance! Veggies will help you grow up to be a big boy and play goalie for my Detroit Red Wings. Help me here "son":........do you collect sheet cut cards, hand cut cards or are you just wandering aimlessly ??

SDavid · June 11, 2006 8:38PM

All cards were cut from sheets at some point. Well, most anyway. It's not a question of whether the card is cut from a sheet, it's a question of what methods were used. If a dealer had access to a cutting machine similar to the one Topps used, he could cut cards from sheets all day and no one would be the wiser. The same would apply to cards that are significantly oversized.

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 10:12PM

<< 

<< You relax son. Does your mother think that your ugly???? Huh.....???? Oh, and by the way...Detroit needs a new hockey team. chaz >>

Chaz ... All I am saying is give peas a chance! Veggies will help you grow up to be a big boy and play goalie for my Detroit Red Wings. Help me here "son":........do you collect sheet cut cards, hand cut cards or are you just wandering aimlessly ??

>>

Detroit needs more than a goalie with all those old geezers. I collect hand cut cards from PSA and sheet cut cards from BGS, you happy son?? I have to educate all you turkeys. chaz

chaz43 · June 11, 2006 10:13PM

<< All cards were cut from sheets at some point. Well, most anyway. It's not a question of whether the card is cut from a sheet, it's a question of what methods were used. If a dealer had access to a cutting machine similar to the one Topps used, he could cut cards from sheets all day and no one would be the wiser. The same would apply to cards that are significantly oversized. >>

Well said. chaz

poppie · June 11, 2006 11:09PM

<< Detroit needs more than a goalie with all those old geezers. I collect hand cut cards from PSA and sheet cut cards from BGS, you happy son?? I have to educate all you turkeys. chaz >>

Thanks! You are such a role model for everyone.

chaz43 · June 12, 2006 1:06AM

<< 

<< Detroit needs more than a goalie with all those old geezers. I collect hand cut cards from PSA and sheet cut cards from BGS, you happy son?? I have to educate all you turkeys. chaz >>

Thanks! You are such a role model for everyone. >>

Haven't you guessed yet turkey? I'm really Charles Barkley in disguise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! chaz

poppie · June 12, 2006 1:13AM

I'll drink to that !

InMySock · June 12, 2006 11:00AM

<< Also, good luck on getting anything into a PSA 10 holder by using the crossover service. If you pulled that off I think you'd be the first guy to ever do it. >>

Not that it matters in this conversation, but I have gotten a PSA 10 from the crossover service from a BGS 9.5 card. I know I am not the first, or the last.

~IMS

Will GAI 10 OPC Hockey Cross Over to PSA 10? HELP !!

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