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What`s with PCGS`s FBL standards ??

SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
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I`d say a good 10% of the holdered PCGS FBL Franklins I see are not even

almost FBL's ........... and 10% of non FBL`s are no brainer FBL's .

And why are some dates given the FBL so freely and other's have to be chiseled in stone ??

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    You already know the answers. image

    Russ, NCNE
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,475 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You already know the answers. image

    Russ, NCNE >>

    image

    Depends on the service level and how many times they have to look at it. Remember that song ? Ring my bell.









    ~shakin' the bush, boss~
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Well , just look at the names of the graders,

    Old Blind Bob, One Eyed Louie, Crazy Charlie

    and hallucinating Harry. Need I say more?
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You already know the answers. image

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Russ, you're a wise one.
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I`d say a good 10% of the holdered PCGS FBL Franklins I see are not even

    almost FBL's ........... and 10% of non FBL`s are no brainer FBL's .

    And why are some dates given the FBL so freely and other's have to be chiseled in stone ?? >>



    Nothing that PCGS does is EVER WRONG---shame shame on you.............. image
    Now even the Kool-Aid mixers are showing some cracks in the armour...... what nextimage
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing that PCGS does is EVER WRONG---shame shame on you.............. image
    Now even the Kool-Aid mixers are showing some cracks in the armour...... what nextimage >>




    ooops, there's my smack in the head.

    When in Rome, do as the Romans.







    collapse , er.. I mean "re submit"
  • AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
    "What`s with PCGS`s FBL standards ??"

    They have "standards"??? image
    "Everyday above ground is a good day"

  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    Russ , whatever your job is -you should quit

    and go to work someplace where your talents can be fully appriciated.

    Write a few books , tour the country giving seminars, run for political office ......

    You never fail to amaze me with your knowlege and insight
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ , whatever your job is -you should quit

    and go to work someplace where your talents can be fully appriciated.

    Write a few books , tour the country giving seminars, run for political office ......

    You never fail to amaze me with your knowlege and insight >>



    imageimage
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    ................AWHH HECK .........i wish i could quit you Russ .

    We still on for the fishing trip up Brokeback Mountian ??
  • lonelyplonelyp Posts: 1,634


    << <i>Well , just look at the names of the graders,

    Old Blind Bob, One Eyed Louie, Crazy Charlie

    and hallucinating Harry. Need I say more? >>



    Bear,

    How many sides on those dice have FBL, or FSB, or FS on them?
    Or do they use different dice for different coins?image

    image
    (Old man) Look I had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, “That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah”.

    (Priest) BLASPHEMY he said it again, did you hear him?
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭


    << <i>Well , just look at the names of the graders,

    Old Blind Bob, One Eyed Louie, Crazy Charlie

    and hallucinating Harry. Need I say more? >>



    Hey! You forgot all about F'd up Freddy. He only works in the grading room on Friday afternoons, but he is extremely productive!
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






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  • KevinMcMillenKevinMcMillen Posts: 22


    << <i>Well , just look at the names of the graders,

    Old Blind Bob, One Eyed Louie, Crazy Charlie

    and hallucinating Harry. Need I say more? >>



    Grading can vary its a lot better than sporting events where the officals are not allowed to use there seeing eye dogs on the field. If you don't like the coin don't buy it.
    Most dealers Grading was new or used when I started & most still didn't get it right.
  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374 ✭
    ..***Pick those coins up from the floor..............

    .***..Take those coins out of your pockets......

    .......**Wipe your greasy finger prints off of those Morgans



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    ......Larry........image
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Recent bids for PCGS 66 FBL 1948D FBL's--$475, $775, $1050---Why do we need PCGs to designate FBL again???
    morgannut2
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    .......... ....I just got a pretty `54-D PCGS MS65 Franklin off ebay .

    It has the most strongly struck , boldly impressed , FULL , full bell lines

    I have ever seen on a circulation strike Franklin !!

    In fact , the left hand lower bell lines go ALL THE WAY to the crack of the bell,

    they actually touch it ! I have NEVER seen a Franklin with bell lines like this .........

    But it dosn`t say F.B.L on the holder !!!!!!!!!!

    on the very far right side of the coin , there is a minor scrape -

    mushing the last 1/32 of an inch of the lower bell lines .

    Montgomery said in R. Tomaska`s book that " the graderers have to

    make the call if the bell lines were their to begin with "

    clearly the bell lines were there on this coin ,

    so that criteria must have changed for that idea too !

    It seems PCGS has altered their deffinition of fbl`s .

    It used to be the lower set to the left of the crack made the call ;

    now it appears the lines must be full on the RIGHT side of the crack as well .

    This is highly disturbing to me and should be to fbl collectors too .

    There are thousands of PCGS Franklins in fbl holders that if resubmitted ,

    by today`s standards - would not get the fbl call .

    It is totaly unfair to change the horse halfway thru the race .

    What is to become of these not fbl coins in older fbl holders ?

    Will they be saleable ?

    I hope PCGS offers to buy back the ones that don`t make the "new" fbl grade

    at the full purchase price,

    thats the very LEAST they can do.

    How dare they do something so brash as to change their deffinition like this ??
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Who needs dumb fbl franklins when they made cool proof franklins like this one.... image
    image
    image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Russ , whatever your job is -you should quit

    and go to work someplace where your talents can be fully appriciated.

    Write a few books , tour the country giving seminars, run for political office ......

    You never fail to amaze me with your knowlege and insight >>



    imageimage >>




    Good one--HA-HA HA-HA!!!
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    This thead is worthless without pics of the bell lines! I just made a 54-S in MS65FBL at PCGS. I knew it was a FBL and it got a FBL! Until you have a pic for us to look at quit complaining!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭


    << <i>You already know the answers. image

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Enlighten us on this deep-dark secret!
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    ...........that`s not funny ............Russ is my hero !

    And if you want to be in his FAN CLUB ,

    pm me and i`ll get you signed up .

  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    ...nobody emailed me yet !
  • 21Walker21Walker Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭
    I'M with Marty, I sent in a 51S & 52. They both looked FBL to me and came back 51S MS64FBL and 52 MS63FBL. I thought the 52 should have been 64..................oh well.............Rick
    If don't look like UNC, it probrably isn't UNC.....U.S. Coast Guard. Chief Petty Officer (Retired) (1970-1990)

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No argument from me that FSB on Mercs and FBL on Frankies is a joke and has been for years. I'd say the services are at least in the ball park on FH SLQ's. Full Step Jeffs have their own issues as well.

    It's just a "FULLY" struck world out there.

    roadrunner
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Marty - i just saw you at a show ; wasn`t sure which was your chicken and which was you -

    I have to believe your chicken has more brains though ..........

    I bought the coin already slabbed . I did not "make" it..........

    I got more experience with FBL Franklins then you got on your knees in front of the bums on Rush St. >>



    So you bought it for the holder? If you think the bell lines weren't there why in the hell did you buy it?
    image

    Buy the way, about the Rush st comment... FOAD!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The graders may be arbitrary and they may be capricious.

    But they are never both arbitrary and capricious.image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152


    << <i>

    << <i>Marty - i just saw you at a show ; wasn`t sure which was your chicken and which was you -

    I have to believe your chicken has more brains though ..........

    I bought the coin already slabbed . I did not "make" it..........

    I got more experience with FBL Franklins then you got on your knees in front of the bums on Rush St. >>



    So you bought it for the holder? If you think the bell lines weren't there why in the hell did you buy it?
    image

    Buy the way, about the Rush st comment... FOAD! >>



    I bought it for the toning -i could care less about bell lines ..........

    my point my chicken faced friend ; is that the coin has obviously FBL`s -

    but it is not labled as such on the holder
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    ........Chicken Man -

    This Forum is for truthful comments ;

    why don`t you fess up to that crock and brull story you concocted about

    you supposedly finding a Cameo proof Walker at a pawn shop..........image

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