Card removal from a set registry

RedRomad275

This topic was brought up (by me) and wanted to know board members opinions. My question is: If there are cards in a player set registry and you feel they do not need to be there, how would you go about having them removed? This question stems from the Pete Rose Master Set containing two decks of playing cards. That's 108 cards that are nothing but playing cards. In my mind it's a waste but looking for others feedback. I thought I read on the boards somewhere that if a majority of the registry participants agreed then they could be removed. Thanks

Red

ChrisC

I agree that is excessive and unreasonable - make the 2 decks a separate registry category!

JonB

Or just pick one card from each set as an example (maybe the ace of spades from each). If I'm not mistaken thats what they did with the Nolan Ryan master set as far as the pacific cards go.

mikeschmidt

Red:

PSA has been through this exercise. If any collector feels a card should be included, it will be. As long as it was issued during the player's playing days and depicts the player.

You can complain all you want - many have in the past. It has fallen on deaf ears. As a result, team cards can be included, decks of cards, and other miscellaneous sets. As long as PSA grades it, and it was issued during the player's playing days, I would handicap your odds of getting the card(s) removed at 50:1.

I've had this issue on the Mike Schmidt registry, it has been discussed on the Nolan Ryan registry and the Mickey Mantle Registry.

~ms

RedRomad275

Sorry to beat a dead horse. I know of the same card decks for Mantle and Bench. I wasn't sure if there was any other ones. I remember some talk of the guys doing the Bench Master Set trying to keep those card decks out of the registry. I'm not really that active on the boards since I returned from overseas. I was just curious. Thanks

mikeschmidt

RedRomad:

Not a dead horse at all. It is a big annoyance that I think is felt by many. However, PSA's decision seems to be final, especially since it is an incentive for additional submissions of otherwise 'stupid cards', if you will.

~ms

montanafan

if it's a MASTER set, then i feel the cards should be included.. any and all of them.. every possible card, no matter how many or how difficult.. it's a MASTER set after all.. so it should be a monster of a set.. if it's a basic player set, then you're right.. that's my 2 cents

mikeschmidt

Montanafan:

The question is not difficulty.

Here is the question/test, and I will apply the Nolan Ryan example, since I think it is the best illustration, and it is not one I have a personal vested interest in:

1991 Pacific. They issued a 110-card Nolan Ryan set. 110 different cards of Nolan Ryan.
Pacific subsequently issued another 110-card Nolan Ryan set, that I believe was from 1993, but still issued during Nolan Ryan's playing days.

The 220-card set can be purchased for under $10.

The grading fees associated with getting all 220 cards graded is approximately $1,300, more or less.

$10 raw set
$1,300 grading fees
Increasing the Master Player Set Registry by 30% in terms of total number of cards from playing days.

I 100% believe it would be foolish to include the Pacific Nolan Ryan cards in the Master Set.

Just my $0.02

montanafan

excellent point.. ok, you convinced me

RedRomad275

And I will point this out. It is not a true Master set as PSA does not grade some oversized cards as they do not have holders for them. I see your point but there is a fine line to ridiculous.

Red

montanafan

ok.. i've seen those ryan pacific cards from that set.. and i hope i don't offend anyone by saying i thought they really sucked.. wouldn't want them in my set either

montanafan

i will just add though.. if someone has those cards graded and doesn't want them removed from the set, then i still think they should stay.. if no one has registered any yet, then it would be ok to pull them... think of it like this.. what if you're the guy that bought and graded up a bunch just so you could put them in your set, and then everyone else (that doesn't have them yet) decides they don't like those cards and you're stuck with worthless cards from a bad set, and you've paid to grade them and now there is even less demand for them than there was before? that would really suck.. just something else to consider.. if you look at the situation from the perspective of someone who owns those cards, graded, then it looks quite different in terms of "fairness"..... for the record i don't care either way, i collect joe montana cards..

Robeson

Are there people trying to register the Nolan Ryan 220 cards Pacific set? I have never seen any of those graded. I looked into the Ryan set and find it odd that many of the later cards are weighted 0.50. Is this the only set with this weight? I always thought it was between 1 and 10. It looks like a few of them are regular issues like Topps and Fller. Just goes to show how screwed up some of the registry really is.

montanafan

they should weight them each at 1/220th of a point ;-)

mikeschmidt

Robeson:

There are examples from the 1991 Pacific Nolan Ryan set graded. Currently none are in the Master Set - but they are now eligible to be included should someone request them, which is a deviation from the past when the majority of Nolan Ryan set collectors agreed that Pacific cards generally should not be included.

In my opinion, I would rather stop the insanity prior to something happening than afterwards. On the Mickey Mantle master set, PSA has now ruled that Yankees team cards are eligible to be included. I certainly do not agree with that, but whatever. However, currently there is only the Topps Yankees team cards included in the Mantle master set. Under PSA's rules and guidelines, there is nothing to stop a collector from also requesting all the OPC Yankees team cards, and also all the Venzuelan Topps Yankees team cards. And that is freaking ridiculous, in my opinion.

montanafan

And that is freaking ridiculous, in my opinion

RedRomad275

Ditto, I can respond to the item montanafan had earlier. There is a collector who has both decks completely done and in the master set as well as using one of the decks as a seperate set. Bottom line is that they will mostly likely not get removed but thanks to everyone for their opinion and help.

Red

JoeBanzai

I think one of the problems here is no consistency. Team cards should be in or out on ALL of the master sets. I collect the team cards and would vote them in, but would not really care if they were excluded.

A set that is entirely one player is another matter. I can see both sides of the issue, but I would view this kind of set as a tribute set, not a true set of cards, even if the "tribute" set was issued during the players career.

It was mentioned on another thread that there could be a third category that would include everything, including cards issued after the players retirement.
Then you would be creating a complete checklist at the same time, and the collectors with tons of money could have their "holy grail".

I have contacted Cosetta Robbins at Collector's Universe stating my case for including all of the players in a set, Citgo Coins in this case, automatically being included once one player gets accepted, but that was denied. Add them one at a time, after they are graded. Seems like a waste of time, but that's the way it's going to be.

Get out the checkbooks guys, this is going to get expensive and take forever. But do we really want it to end?

There must be 20 to 30 cards that I have raw that will "need" to be added to my Killebrew Master set, from Venezuelan's to OPC's to missing Bazooka issues.

I still am having fun with the hobby, but it does get a little irritating some times.

JoeBanzai