MOSH Updated 290 Sets This Week--Are You Kidding Me?

Davalillo

I found one of MOSH's old hockey sets on the registry that was open so I could click the button on other sets he has registered. As you all know, if you have updated the set in the past week, a red updated message is posted next to the set.

Last week, MOSH updated 290 of his sets. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This is freakin' amazing. I am starting to understand the scope of what I am up against here.

Jeremy--give me a clue here--how many people does John have buying for him?

I know the time I put into having over 200 sets on the registry--he must have 4X this. And I have the best guy in the world(Brian) who is all over my sets.

I am stunned!

Jim

WinPitcher

Jim

A person can update a set without adding a card to it. Not saying this is what happened but it is possible.

Steve

Lothar52

what do you people do for a living to afford such cards???? 200 sets..800 sets...still astronomical excess income to afford that!!!! Im in awwwww!!!

loth

Davalillo

Steve,

True but I don't see any reason why these all would not be added to.

Loth,

I believe John is a lawyer--many of the top collectors are lawyers--Merkle, Fogel, Branca and now MOSH.

Jim

Divy1

He is an accountant. A very high class accountant. Believe it or not, his mommy actually steers the ship.

BugOnTheRug

<< <i>I am starting to understand the scope of what I am up against here. >>


There's no way you'll catch the corvette with a honda accord.

Mantlefan

Steve is correct. If you add or remove 1 card the set is updated...also if you add a scan or change one word of the description the set is "updated". And again, adding 1 card to a basic set can then "update" multiple player sets, team sets, master sets or specialty sets etc. Finally, this can be done over a course of several months and will not show up until you hit the "validate" button on the update page, so I don't think there were 20 people burning the midnight oil on May 30th!.

JasP24

MOSH has an employee, I believe her name is Denise who maintains their Set Registry. What's posted above is correct, your set might show "updated" even if you didn't add a card, and this was the case in at least SOME of the MOSH sets. MOSH collects pretty much every set that i do, and one in particular "All-Time NFL Defense" they hit validate but did not add any cards..They were 90% before and 90% after the update. I also know for a fact that MOSH has the necessary cards for that set to be 100% and would have won the award for the set if they had actually added the cards to it.

Honestly, I expected them to win that set just as they won basically every other set that I collect, but again i think it was just Denise going through every Registered set one last time and validating to make sure all sets were current. But with so many to track, she forgot to check that the All-Time NFL Defense had players added to it a couple of months back. HOFers that MOSH already has listed in their HOF RC set, so they didnt automatically add themselves to the All-Time Defense set when the 4 new additions were made...

Jason

ChrisC

I just got an opening into their registry - WOW - took 24 pages to print it!

Golfcollector

I still don't understand why MOSH does not let anyone view the sets listed on the set registry

ralstonpurina

I agrree, I share all my sets. with scans

montanafan

wow.. i wanna be able to afford an employee just to register all my cards.... must be nice.. more power to him/them i say.. it's interesting that they don't post.. i'm completely jealous and not afraid to admit it

lostdart58

<< <i>

<< <i>I am starting to understand the scope of what I am up against here. >>


There's no way you'll catch the corvette with a honda accord. >>




In this case there is no way to catch the Lamberghini with a tricycle.

Davalillo

Lostdart,

Are you calling my collection a tricycle?

blacklab

Incredible. From what I was told from another source, it was MOSH that knocked me out of the mostly PSA 1954 Bowman fb set in Brian's Mile High auction last Dec.

blacklab

That was mostly PSA 8 set.

CollectorChris

Davalilo,

Why do you appear so upset that someone is amassing a collection that is orders of magnitude larger than yours? Is it wrong that a person has the desire and the funds to build a truly world-class collection?

Tricycle indeed!

Davalillo

Who said I was upset?

I disagree with your statement though. You have never seen my collection and don't know what you are talking about.

Dav

WinPitcher

Chris,

Dav has a world class collection himself.

Steve

lostdart58

<< <i>Lostdart,

Are you calling my collection a tricycle? >>




NO...calling my collection a tricycle.......

Davalillo

Lostdart,

Thanks for the clarification.

I misinterpreted what you said.

Dav

montanafan

could be worse.. my collection is a unicycle

Mantlefan

Does MOSH have any Baseball sets?

montanafan

haha.. yes, i believe they have 1 or 2 baseball sets...

calleocho

I have always said this ...but you are not one the big boys until you try baseball cards!

The top guys in baseball ( merkle, louchios, fogel ) will probably not sell ...at any price unless they decide to quit altogether.

I may not like Jim all the time ....sorry Jim ..you could come off a little arrogant sometimes. But he is extremetly passionate about it and he is always willing to share to anyone and he always offers his input.

But his collection on the other hand its truly amazing...personality aside ...his collection is easily one of the top 20 most likely top 10

Jim has always had a very conservative aproach to his collecting habits ...his goals are different from other collectors.

If Jim really wanted to compete all he would have to do is sell 10% of his collections and use the extra income to upgrade his sets other sets

gipper

I know in the 1955 All American football set they jumped up .31 in the Weighted GPA in one day. A jump like that in one day is amazing at the set grades that they have.

WinPitcher

If Jim really wanted to compete all he would have to do is sell 10% of his collections and use the extra income to upgrade his sets other sets


he can't, he is a hoarder like me. lol

Steve

Davalillo

Calleocho,

Gee--i like you all the time.

I'm only a little arrogant on the boards. Ask anyone who has met me and they would not tell you that.

Who else would throw a party for all collectors, provide free food and drink and unlimited access to their card room.

Next open party may be June 17--have to get the okay from a couple of guests of honor before I confirm.

Jim

lostdart58

<< <i>Does MOSH have any Baseball sets? >>



List of MOSH Baseball sets

Notice that most of the pre `1995 sets do not have much in them:

Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1909-11 T206 White Border 8.000 .19% .042 83
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1948 Bowman 8.000 2.08% .405 38
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1952 Topps - Basic 8.000 .25% .082 84
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1952 Topps - Master 8.000 .20% .066 22
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1954 Topps 8.000 .80% .303 79
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1957 Topps - Basic 7.923 .98% .173 87
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1957 Topps - Master 8.710 .71% .090 17
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1958 Topps - Basic 8.636 .61% .066 54
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1958 Topps - Master 8.000 .37% .019 33
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1958 Topps Chicago Cubs 8.000 6.67% .400 7
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1959 Topps - Basic 7.490 1.05% .210 67
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1959 Topps - Master 8.000 .17% .009 19
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1959 Topps Chicago Cubs 8.000 2.50% .139 3
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1960 Topps 8.515 .52% .170 79
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1961 Topps Chicago Cubs 9.000 6.45% 1.077 4
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1962 Topps - Basic 8.868 .67% .102 54
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1962 Topps - Master 8.868 .65% .099 15
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1964 Topps 9.000 .17% .041 64
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1965 Topps 9.000 .67% .174 80
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1966 Topps - Basic 8.667 .50% .118 48
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1968 Topps - Basic 9.000 .17% .105 111
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1969 Topps - Master 9.000 .72% .162 22
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1970 Topps - Master 9.000 .28% .039 18
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1974 Topps - Master 9.118 1.03% .149 24
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1975 Topps 9.000 .61% .066 112T
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1977 Topps 9.077 .61% .155 33
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1977 Topps Chicago Cubs 9.000 4.17% .360 2
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1979 TCMA History Series 10.000 .34% .034 3
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1979 Topps 9.909 .28% .133 33
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1980 Topps 9.833 .41% .153 28
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1982 Topps 10.000 .13% .110 22
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1991 Score Mickey Mantle 9.000 87.50% 7.880 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1991 Upper Deck Hank Aaron Heroes 8.000 9.09% .727 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1991 Upper Deck Nolan Ryan Heroes 9.000 9.09% 4.390 4
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1992 Score Franchise 7.000 50.00% 3.500 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1992 Topps McDonalds Baseballs Best 7.930 97.73% 7.750 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1992 Upper Deck Bench/Morgan Heroes 9.000 10.00% .900 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1993 Pinnacle DiMaggio Autographs 7.400 100.00% 7.400 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1997 Donruss Signature Notable Nicknames 7.800 100.00% 7.800 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1998 SP Authentic Chirography 8.370 87.10% 7.290 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1998 Sports Illustrated Then and Now 8.000 2.65% .212 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1998 Topps Stars Rookie Reprints Autographs 9.000 100.00% 9.000 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1999 SP Signature Autographs 9.070 19.74% 1.790 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1999 Sports Illustrated Greats of the Game Autographs 7.670 69.51% 5.329 3
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1999 Topps Stars Rookies Reprints Autographs 9.000 100.00% 9.000 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1999 UD Retro Throwback Attack 8.670 20.00% 1.733 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 1999 Upper Deck Century Legends Century Epic Signatures 8.820 61.11% 5.389 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Fleer Greats of the Game Yankees Clippings 7.730 93.75% 7.250 2
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Fleer Mystique Feel the Game 9.200 31.25% 2.875 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Metal Talent Show 7.730 100.00% 7.730 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Stadium Club Chrome Preview 8.930 75.00% 6.700 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Upper Deck A Piece of History 3000 Hit Club 8.200 62.50% 5.125 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Upper Deck Hitters Club 8.220 10.00% .822 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Upper Deck Hitters Club Autographs 9.000 87.50% 7.880 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Upper Deck Legends Defining Moments 7.900 100.00% 7.900 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Upper Deck Legends Eternal Glory 7.830 85.71% 6.710 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2000 Upper Deck Legends Legendary Game Jerseys 8.420 22.22% 1.870 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2001 SP Authentic Sultan of Swatch Jersey or Pants 8.500 85.71% 7.290 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2001 SP Legendary Cuts - Master 8.145 99.35% 8.092 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2001 SP Legendary Cuts Combo Bat 9.000 4.35% .391 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2001 SP Legendary Cuts Signatures 8.100 95.29% 7.720 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2001 Upper Deck Legends of NY Legends of NY Cut Signatures 9.200 100.00% 9.200 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 2002 SP Legendary Cuts Autographs 9.035 88.66% 8.010 1
Museum of Sports History Baseball: 500 Home Run Club 8.150 15.00% 1.525 10
Museum of Sports History Baseball: Hall of Fame Autographs 8.448 11.15% .942 6
Museum of Sports History Baseball: Hall of Fame Complete Set 8.600 6.38% .549 23
Museum of Sports History Baseball: Hall of Fame Players 8.643 6.48% .560 50
Museum of Sports History Baseball: Hall of Fame Players - Post War Rookies 8.488 13.89% 1.237 16

detroitfan2

<<Next open party may be June 17--have to get the okay from a couple of guests of honor before I confirm.>>

Jim,

For those of us who don't get the chance to attend this party, is there any way you could post some pictures of the room? I'm trying to picture what a card room could possibly look like with that much "material" to work with.

If you don't want pictures of your room all over the internet, that's understandable, just thought I'd ask.

Thanks,

Tom (detroitfan2)

Mantlefan

The MOSH Baseball list is hardly impressive. And yes, when it comes to Sportscards, you're talking mostly Baseball. So the "Museum" has a long way to go.

Here's a question for you: whose sets would you rather own...Jim's or MOSH's??

nearmint

Without looking--Jim's.

mikeschmidt

Do you think MOSH stays away from baseball sets because they a) just are not baseball fans or b) prefer to compete on places like the Registry - and realize that it would be too tough to compete for #1 on a huge number of baseball sets, like he has on football, etc.

Just asking because I really do not track MOSH and his efforts

Davalillo

Tom,

Next months SMR should have plenty of pictures along with a lengthy
article on my collection.

Why do all you guys call MOSH they? MOSH is one guy!

Hey Marc--MOSH is really pretty week in 50s and before football, is non-existant in baseball and sold most of his hockey sets. Baseball is over 80 percent of my collection and he would have to bring $10-$20 million dollars to the table to be competitive on the popular sets. Does he have this kind of money?? Don't know but it is a daunting challenge. Look what Spence is spending in 55 Bowman and extrapolate.

Jim

mojorob

I would much prefer to own DAV's card room given the choice.

What is impressive about MOSH at least IMHO is what he has been able to do in
a fairly short amount of time.
Seems like just a couple of years.

gregm13

<< <i>Tom,

Next months SMR should have plenty of pictures along with a lengthy
article on my collection.

Why do all you guys call MOSH they? MOSH is one guy!

Hey Marc--MOSH is really pretty week in 50s and before football, is non-existant in baseball and sold most of his hockey sets. Baseball is over 80 percent of my collection and he would have to bring $10-$20 million dollars to the table to be competitive on the popular sets. Does he have this kind of money?? Don't know but it is a daunting challenge. Look what Spence is spending in 55 Bowman and extrapolate.

Jim >>



Jim,

If I lived closer, I'd live an invite to your "card party". However, Chicago is a little too far for a day trip . As for MOSH, what he has accomplished in his football sets is incredible. Personally, I think his greatest accomplishment is his rookie HOF set, which I've been told is his greatest passion. To have a GPA of over 8 is astounding, considering the low pops of many pre 1955 rookies.

I can't speak for MOSH, but I don't collect baseball because of the cost plus sheer size of most baseball sets. The largest football set is 528 cards while baseball is around 800..I think. Not to mention, most post 1952 football HOF rookies can be had in PSA 8 for under $1k (Namath being the major exception...and Jim Brown) whereas baseball has innumerable cards in excess of $1000 in PSA 8 condition.

Regards,

Greg M.

Davalillo

Greg,

We will have a toast to you if the party comes off.

I think the biggest impediment is cost. As I mentioned earlier, it would take him $10-$20 million to be competitive on the mainstream sets.

My guess and that is all it is, is that he will attempt to acquire all the pre-60s football sets he does not have and be known as the King of Football and(Modern) Basketball cards. Nobody can touch Rakosi on vintage basketball.

mojorob

Well if DAV is right, there are certainly worse things than being known as the KING OF FOOTBALL CARDS.
That is a nice hobby designation.

But, I would still rather have DAV's collection.

Mantlefan

My guess and that is all it is, is that he will attempt to acquire all the pre-60s football sets he does not have and be known as the King of Football and(Modern) Basketball cards. Nobody can touch Rakosi on vintage basketball

Good point Jim, we will now call John: KOFAMBKC. Has a nice ring to it.

But, I would still rather have DAV's collection

You, me and everyone else on the planet!

WinPitcher

Me too..............Dav's

SD

thefootballcardstore

Hey all was away for a few days and missed the fun here.

But to answer the original question, John is constantly being offered cards off eBay by a variety of dealers. Some of these purchases he coordinates himself while others are passed on to me. At one point I knew that there were 1 or 2 others making buying decisions but I'm not sure that's true anymore.

I say "they" and other people also say "they" when referring to MOSH because it isn't just one person doing everything, there are many people involved from top to bottom.

I'll have to look into that All Time Defense hiccup Jason. Because of the number of sets we are talking about here, and because cards are added to these sets often, overlooking additions is easy to do. Thanks for the heads up there.