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I feel like I got kicked in the balls!
zef204
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I had 2 50's bulks pop today and I reall feel like someone over there hates me. The 1959 bb cards I am sick about. Almost the entire first sub below I am sick about.
1 31629255 1959 TOPPS 48 ORIOLES TEAM N/A 6
2 31629256 1959 TOPPS 481 CHARLEY MAXWELL N/A 7
3 31629257 1959 TOPPS 7 AL PILARCIK N/A 5
4 31629258 1956 TOPPS 6 NORM VAN BROCKLIN N/A 6
5 31629259 1956 TOPPS 55 TOBIN ROTE N/A 6
6 31629260 1956 TOPPS 5 ALEX WEBSTER N/A 6
7 31629261 1958 TOPPS 70 JACK CHRISTIANSEN N/A 7
8 31629262 1954 BOWMAN 63 LAURIE NIEMI N/A 4
9 31629263 1956 TOPPS 101 ROOSEVELT GRIER N/A 6
10 31629264 1959 TOPPS 473 MIKE FORNIELES N/A 7
11 31629265 1954 BOWMAN 59 BOB SCHULTZ N/A 7
12 31629266 1954 BOWMAN 2 JOHN HUZVAR N/A 7
13 31629267 1954 BOWMAN 3 JOHN SCARBATH N/A 7
14 31629268 1958 TOPPS 8 JAMES DOOLEY N/A 6
15 31629269 1954 BOWMAN 53 BOBBY LAYNE N/A 6
16 31629270 1958 TOPPS 17 RAY RENFRO N/A 6
17 31629271 1958 TOPPS 122 HUGH McELHENNY N/A 6
18 31629272 1958 TOPPS 127 OLLIE MATSON N/A 7
19 31629273 1958 TOPPS 124 DICK MOEGLE N/A 6
20 31629274 1960 TOPPS 116 HUGH McELHENNY N/A 8
21 31629275 1954 BOWMAN 56 LEON McLAUGHLIN N/A 7
22 31629276 1954 BOWMAN 37 DARRELL HOGAN N/A 6
23 31629277 1958 TOPPS 187 SANDY KOUFAX N/A 6
24 31629278 1958 TOPPS 35 CHUCK BEDNARIK N/A 6
25 31629279 1958 TOPPS 42 EMLEN TUNNELL N/A 6
26 31629280 1958 TOPPS 51 JACK McCLAIREN N/A 8
27 31629281 1958 TOPPS 79 MARV MATUZSAK N/A 6
28 31629282 1959 TOPPS 159 BOB SHAW N/A 7
29 31629283 1959 TOPPS 28 RED WORTHINGTON N/A 7
30 31629284 1958 TOPPS 107 JOHN OLSZEWSKI N/A 7
31 31629285 1959 TOPPS 15 DICK DROTT N/A 7
32 31629286 1958 TOPPS 119 BILL GEORGE N/A 6
33 31629287 1959 TOPPS 53 STAN WILLIAMS N/A 7
34 31629288 1957 TOPPS 56 CHARLIE ANE N/A 6
35 31629289 1958 TOPPS 178 TED KLUSZEWSKI N/A 6
36 31629290 1954 BOWMAN 91 THURMAN McGRAW N/A 7
37 31629291 1959 TOPPS 254 ZEKE BELLA N/A 7
38 31629292 1959 TOPPS 65 FRANK TORRE N/A 5
39 31629293 1958 TOPPS 100 MATT HAZELTINE N/A 7
40 31629294 1959 TOPPS 350 ERNIE BANKS N/A 7
41 31629295 1954 BOWMAN 91 THURMAN McGRAW N/A 6
42 31629296 1958 TOPPS 82 WOODLEY LEWIS MISSPELLED WOODLY FRONT 6
43 31629297 1958 TOPPS 103 JIM RINGO N/A 7
44 31629298 1958 TOPPS 93 JOE PERRY N/A 8
45 31629299 1954 BOWMAN 100 JACK CHRISTIANSEN N/A 6
46 31629300 1954 BOWMAN 109 ED SHARKEY N/A 7
47 31629301 1954 BOWMAN 22 FLOYD REID N/A 7
48 31629302 1956 TOPPS 16 HAROLD GIANCANELLI N/A 8
49 31629303 1957 TOPPS 81 TOBIN ROTE N/A 8
50 31629304 1957 TOPPS 29 BILLY VESSELS N/A 7
51 31629305 1957 TOPPS 83 JIM PATTON N/A 8
52 31629306 1959 TOPPS 499 JOHNNY O'BRIEN N/A 6
53 31629307 1959 TOPPS 276 PETE DALEY N/A 7
Date Received: 05/05/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 05/31/2006
Date Shipped: No Date Specified
1 31647644 1957 TOPPS 20 LOU CREEKMUR N/A 8ST
2 31647645 1957 TOPPS 36 LEO ELTER N/A 7
3 31647646 1957 TOPPS 54 GORDON SOLTAU N/A 7
4 31647647 1957 TOPPS 119 BART STARR N/A 4
5 31647648 1958 TOPPS 34 SAM BAKER N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
6 31647649 1958 TOPPS 54 DON CHANDLER N/A 8
7 31647650 1957 TOPPS 118 BOB PORTERFIELD N/A 8
8 31647651 1957 TOPPS 394 LUIS ARROYO N/A 8
9 31647652 1957 TOPPS 367 ED FITZGERALD N/A 8
10 31647653 1955 TOPPS 148 HAL BROWN N/A 7
11 31647654 1955 TOPPS 116 TOM HURD N/A 7
12 31647655 1955 TOPPS 117 MEL ROACH N/A 7
13 31647656 1955 TOPPS 132 BOB TRICE N/A 7
14 31647657 1955 TOPPS 170 JIM PEARCE N/A 7
15 31647658 1959 TOPPS 560 LUIS APARICIO ALL STAR 8
16 31647659 1954 BOWMAN 92 DON HEINRICH N/A 7
17 31647660 1954 BOWMAN 99 HARRY JAGADE N/A 7
18 31647661 1957 TOPPS 59 KYLE ROTE N/A 7
19 31647662 1957 TOPPS 50 DAVE MANN N/A 7
20 31647663 1957 TOPPS 21 DAVE HANNER N/A 8
21 31647664 1957 TOPPS 55 RICK CASARES N/A 7
22 31647665 1957 TOPPS 17 ART SPINNEY N/A 8
23 31647666 1957 TOPPS 8 DAVE MIDDLETON N/A 8
24 31647667 1957 TOPPS 11 ROOSEVELT BROWN N/A 7
25 31647668 1957 TOPPS 18 BOB St. CLAIR N/A 7
26 31647669 1960 TOPPS 132 WASHINGTON REDSKINS N/A 7
27 31647670 1957 TOPPS 68 YALE LARY N/A 8
28 31647671 1958 TOPPS 79 MARV MATUZSAK N/A 7
29 31647672 1958 TOPPS 36 VIC ZUCCO N/A 7
30 31647673 1958 TOPPS 4 BILL BARNES N/A 8
31 31647674 1958 TOPPS 50 LARRY MORRIS N/A 8
32 31647675 1958 TOPPS 10 LENNY MOORE N/A 7
33 31647676 1958 TOPPS 59 MIKE McCORMACK N/A 7
34 31647677 1959 TOPPS 50 OLLIE MATSON N/A 7
35 31647678 1959 TOPPS 114 ROOSEVELT BROWN N/A 8
36 31647679 1960 TOPPS 112 ST. LOUIS CARDINALS N/A 8
37 31647680 1959 TOPPS 105 JOHNNY CROW N/A 7
38 31647681 1959 TOPPS 130 Y.A. TITTLE N/A 6
39 31647682 1959 TOPPS 135 M.C. REYNOLDS N/A 8
40 31647683 1960 TOPPS 112 ST. LOUIS CARDINALS N/A 8
41 31647684 1960 TOPPS 60 GREEN BAY PACKERS N/A 8OC
42 31647685 1957 TOPPS 153 BILL SVOBODA N/A 7
43 31647686 1954 BOWMAN 108 ELBERT NICKEL N/A 7
44 31647687 1955 BOWMAN 12 DICK ALBAN N/A 6
45 31647688 1955 TOPPS ALL-AMER. 98 BEATTIE FEATHERS N/A 5
46 31647689 1956 TOPPS 26 SAN FRANCISCO 49ers N/A 5
47 31647690 1956 TOPPS 41 ROOSEVELT BROWN N/A 6
48 31647691 1956 TOPPS 20 JACK CHRISTIANSEN N/A 7
49 31647692 1957 TOPPS 120 PAUL MILLER N/A 6
50 31647693 1957 TOPPS 148 BOB TONEFF N/A 7ST
Date Received: 05/16/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 05/31/2006
Date Shipped: No Date Specified
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I wish I had more information on the rhyme and reason of grading priority at PSA. From what I understand, the graders have some discretion on what they can grade that day. I think you would be more apt to grade a 50 card submission of the same issue than a 25 card submission of oddball, regional issues (more work on the latter). I do wish PSA would institute a first in, first out rule within submission level.
Off my soap box, congrats on the grades!
A lot of 8s.
For ebay?
Good luck
mike
The rest of them are for eBay.
The other order was more of the same and there were some 59bb in there too. I have no idea how or why 2 regular submissions with no oddballs would have such different turn around times.
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1 31637066 1971 O-PEE-CHEE 250 ED GIACOMIN N/A 7
2 31637067 1971 O-PEE-CHEE 202 GARY DORNHOEFER N/A 8
3 31637068 1972 TOPPS 134 BOB BAUN N/A 8
3 31637069 1972 TOPPS 134 BOB BAUN N/A 8
4 31637070 1972 TOPPS 9 ED VAN IMPE N/A 9
4 31637071 1972 TOPPS 9 ED VAN IMPE N/A 8
5 31637072 1972 TOPPS 135 FRED STANFIELD N/A 9
5 31637073 1972 TOPPS 135 FRED STANFIELD N/A 8
6 31637074 1972 TOPPS 73 PAUL HENDERSON N/A 8
7 31637075 1972 TOPPS 54 JIM McKENNY N/A 9
8 31637076 1972 TOPPS 5 PLAYOFF GAME #4 N/A 9
9 31637077 1972 TOPPS 10 YVAN COURNOYER N/A 8
10 31637078 1972 TOPPS 23 TED HARRIS N/A 8
11 31637079 1972 TOPPS 67 NICK LIBETT N/A 8
12 31637080 1972 TOPPS 157 BRYAN HEXTALL N/A 8
13 31637081 1972 TOPPS 133 RALPH BACKSTROM N/A 8
14 31637082 1972 TOPPS 42 PETER MAHOVLICH N/A 8
15 31637083 1972 TOPPS 163 GARY SABOURIN N/A 8
16 31637084 1972 TOPPS 161 RENE ROBERT N/A 8
17 31637085 1972 O-PEE-CHEE 153 ROD GILBERT N/A 8
18 31637086 1967 PHILADELPHIA 1 ATLANTA FALCONS TEAM CARD 8
19 31637087 1967 PHILADELPHIA 172 JOHN BRODIE N/A 8
20 31637088 1971 TOPPS 150 GALE SAYERS N/A 8
21 31637089 1971 TOPPS 99 ERNIE WRIGHT N/A 8
22 31637090 1971 TOPPS 35 BOBBY BELL N/A 8
23 31637091 1971 TOPPS 197 GEORGE WEBSTER N/A 8
24 31637092 1971 TOPPS 245 JOE GREENE N/A 8
25 31637093 1971 TOPPS 260 O.J. SIMPSON N/A 7
26 31637094 1971 TOPPS 10 LANCE ALWORTH N/A 8
27 31637095 1971 TOPPS 182 ROYCE BERRY N/A 7
28 31637096 1971 TOPPS 206 JIM TYRER N/A 8
29 31637097 1971 TOPPS 213 CHARLIE KRUEGER N/A 8
30 31637098 1971 TOPPS 253 ED SHAROCKMAN N/A 8
31 31637099 1971 TOPPS 165 GENE WASHINGTON N/A 8
32 31637100 1971 TOPPS 196 LARRY CANNON N/A 8
33 31637101 1971 TOPPS 128 BOB WEISS N/A 7
34 31637102 1971 TOPPS 45 BOB LOVE N/A 7
35 31637103 1975 TOPPS 620 ROOKIE CATCHERS- OUTFIELDERS 7
36 31637104 1989 DONRUSS 33 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 9
37 31637105 1989 DONRUSS MVP BC-7 GEORGE BRETT N/A 9
38 31637106 1989 DONRUSS 11 RICK REUSCHEL N/A 9
39 31637107 2005 UPPER DECK 443 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN N/A 10
39 31637108 2005 UPPER DECK 443 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN N/A 9
39 31637109 2005 UPPER DECK 443 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN N/A 9
40 31637110 2005 UPPER DECK 201 SIDNEY CROSBY N/A 10
All the '72's are stunning. There should have been a couple 10's in there, and nothing lower than a 9. And the '89 Donruss were pristine as well. Curiously enough, however, I thought the Joe Greene could come back 'minsizereq', and the four hockey cards at the end of the order were definitely not gem mint. I was expecting 9's on all four.
You changed your title...
Listing cards, as such is very misleading.
You would have to give an example of a few and let us know why you are disappointed.
Otherwise, those look like some nice grades to me?
mike
<< <i>I feel like I got kicked in the balls! >>
Everyday Zef.
It's called marriage!
Were the grades about -1 across the board or was it a couple of killers?
Bosox1976
<< <i>The attack of the 316 grader! >>
<< <i>Zef -
Were the grades about -1 across the board or was it a couple of killers? >>
I would say that would be the case. Some of the 54 Bowmans were awesome. I'll throw up some scans when I get them back.
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Is that really the case?? Can you tell the grader by the first 3 #s like that??
<< <i>>>>>The attack of the 316 grader>>>>>
Is that really the case?? Can you tell the grader by the first 3 #s like that?? >>
No, although many think and joke so.
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1 40462756 1963 TOPPS 327 PAUL FOYTACK N/A Not Holdered, Re-Colored
2 40462757 1963 TOPPS 174 LARRY BURRIGHT N/A 8
3 40462758 1963 TOPPS 5 NL ERA LEADERS N/A 7
4 40462759 1963 TOPPS 371 ROD KANEHL N/A 7
5 40462760 1963 TOPPS 340 YOGI BERRA N/A 7
6 40462761 1963 TOPPS 365 JIM BUNNING N/A 7
7 40462762 1963 TOPPS 275 ED MATHEWS N/A 7
8 40462763 1963 TOPPS 337 DODGERS TEAM N/A Not Holdered, Re-Colored
9 40462764 1963 TOPPS 314 JOHN GORYL N/A 7
10 40462765 1963 TOPPS 283 ROY SIEVERS N/A 8
11 40462766 1963 TOPPS 354 DOM ZANNI N/A 8
12 40462767 1963 TOPPS 36 JERRY KINDALL N/A 8
13 40462768 1963 TOPPS 324 1963 ROOKIE STARS N/A 8
14 40462769 1963 TOPPS 14 PEDRO RAMOS N/A 7
15 40462770 1963 TOPPS 325 JACK SANFORD N/A 8
16 40462771 1963 TOPPS 261 BOB MILLER N/A 7
So I send in some simple '72s expecting a few 8s.
1 40465592 1972 TOPPS 299 HANK AARON N/A 5
2 40465593 1972 TOPPS 309 ROBERTO CLEMENTE N/A 6
3 40465594 1972 TOPPS 559 PETE ROSE N/A 6
4 40465595 1972 TOPPS 595 NOLAN RYAN N/A 7
5 40465596 1972 TOPPS 695 ROD CAREW N/A 7
6 40465597 1972 TOPPS 79 RED SOX ROOKIES GARMAN/COOPER/FISK 6
You never know.
<< <i>>>>>The attack of the 316 grader>>>>>
Is that really the case?? Can you tell the grader by the first 3 #s like that?? >>
It's more a PSA urban legend .......
1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better
Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
I'm glad that i am waiting until the end of June, that way the PSA GRADERS can get all of the crappy grades out of their system.
I have been compiling a sub for the special and I assign a mythical "grade" to them based on my experience with PSA. I then subtract 1 since that is more likely going to be the outcome.
Jeez, what happened? Staff meeting?
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<< <i>Zef -
Were the grades about -1 across the board or was it a couple of killers? >>
I would say that would be the case. Some of the 54 Bowmans were awesome. I'll throw up some scans when I get them back. >>
Jordan-
From past experience I can say that there's at least one grader at PSA who takes toning very, very seriously. That's probably what happened with your 1954 Bowmans (I'm speaking from experience on those cards), and maybe the rest of your cards as well.
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<< <i>Zef -
Were the grades about -1 across the board or was it a couple of killers? >>
I would say that would be the case. Some of the 54 Bowmans were awesome. I'll throw up some scans when I get them back. >>
Jordan-
From past experience I can say that there's at least one grader at PSA who takes toning very, very seriously. That's probably what happened with your 1954 Bowmans (I'm speaking from experience on those cards), and maybe the rest of your cards as well. >>
Funny. I was upset with some of my 1971 bkb grades and the only thing I could see was slight toning.
Here is an example of a card I cannot figure out how it got an 8. The three spots seen are on the case and cast shadows on the card during the scan.
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"Kicked in the balls?"
You betta check your shorts...
You been robbed!
mike
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<< <i>Zef -
Were the grades about -1 across the board or was it a couple of killers? >>
I would say that would be the case. Some of the 54 Bowmans were awesome. I'll throw up some scans when I get them back. >>
Jordan-
From past experience I can say that there's at least one grader at PSA who takes toning very, very seriously. That's probably what happened with your 1954 Bowmans (I'm speaking from experience on those cards), and maybe the rest of your cards as well. >>
Funny. I was upset with some of my 1971 bkb grades and the only thing I could see was slight toning.
Here is an example of a card I cannot figure out how it got an 8. The three spots seen are on the case and cast shadows on the card during the scan.
Jesus-- Yeah, that's just a crime. The only thing I can think of is that there may be some slight corner wear that's only detectable with a loupe. I've been 'round and 'round on that with 1971 hocket in the past, where the card 'looks' 100% clean, but a once over with a loupe reveals some slight paper lost in the 'corner area' (but not to the point where it would effect the sharpnes of the corners, if that makes any sense).
This kind of inconsistency is maddening, but if there's any consolation to be had it lies in the fact that at some point all this will change. With the ever diminishing returns that graded cards are bringing (remember when PSA 8 commons pre-1975 sold for $20?) people just cannot afford to have their mint cards undergraded anymore. It may take a while for a change to take place, but you can bet that if this keeps up submissions will probably decline, and with that will come a stronger committment from PSA on getting it right the first time. Many of us will keep on submitting provided that the cards come back in 'more or less' the holders we expect. If that doesn't happen then a guy can't make intelligent decisions on what to submit, and the result will be a declining number of submitted cards.
Take my case for example. I've got rafts of stuff that I'd like to submit, and it's all stuff that I 'think' could get a 9 (or a 10, as is the case with the modern stuff), but it's going to sit here and collect dust for the foreseeable future because I just don't want to deal with the possibility that all of it gets undergraded, which would leave me scrambling around on Ebay for 6 weeks trying to recoup the grading fees. To heck with it. If PSA used their guidelines to grade cards with any kind of consistency I could make an informed decision on what to submit. As it stands, though, I'm not going to do that, because I really have no idea what kind of holders these cards will come back in.
<< <i>g'lord that's a nice 8!!!!!! >>
I think so too. I have about 80 graded like this. Then there are some that are true 8's like this:
And thus proves 2 things. Some graders are ballbusters and not all 8's are created equally.
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Zef's bkb cards look like solid 9's to me and don't show the normal '8' corner wear, but under a very bright light if one or more seemingly sharp corners reflect light differently than the surface, it's a good indication that there's a very slight corner 'dent'. The grader would then (this is an assumption only) loupe it and would be able to tell. I've scanned a few of my cards that look spot-on mint while having a dent or 2 and the dent's don't show up on the scans.
If this isn't the case, yes the scanned bkb cards are somewhat brutally graded.
Years ago I bought a transparent overlay that's got like a thousand
measurements/points of reference w/degrees, down to /64'ths(maybe less) on it
got it with finding true center on borderless cards fresh on the brain.
Not sure if this is really weighted, but The ONLY thing "common" I've found with cards that baffle me like those above, was the cut being out of square.
Anyway, great tool for as my wife says "Really Going Overboard!" lol
<< <i>Years ago I bought a transparent overlay that's got like a thousand
measurements/points of reference w/degrees, down to /64'ths(maybe less) on it
got it with finding true center on borderless cards fresh on the brain.
Not sure if this is really weighted, but The ONLY thing "common" I've found with cards that baffle me like those above, was the cut being out of square.
Anyway, great tool for as my wife says "Really Going Overboard!" lol >>
Sorry to cut in...
Just saying hi to meuandthelot...I finally made it over here