Olbermann and Gordon cut-out

wick70 · May 30, 2006 11:34AM

Why is he continuing to pick up evry Heritage Cut Gordon that comes up on Ebay? He's got 8 and counting within the last month. His latest BIN was for $275. It's just inflating the price to a ridiculous amount. I was going to try to get one, but screw that... he can have 'em, now.

Wick

CDsNuts · May 30, 2006 11:59AM

It would be smart if he got as many as he could, then let em go as soon as the demand is highest, and right before the hobby loses interest (end of this year?). I think he could make 50% on his investment. Anybody that bought up the 89 UD Dale Murphy revneg error when they first came out at around $50 and sold them at the end of the season when they reached $120 would've cleaned up.

Or maybe he likes Gordon.

Lee

Stone193 · May 30, 2006 12:14PM

Does he also sell on ebay?

mike

baseballfanatic · May 30, 2006 12:14PM

It wouldnt amaze me if Topps gave him some type of kickback to keep this card in the news and keep the prices up.........

zef204 · May 30, 2006 12:27PM

<< Does he also sell on ebay?

mike >>

I don't think so. But I know he does not bother to leave feedback. He had 800 plus feedback received and had only left 3.

Then this happened... scroll down. I see now he has begun to leave feedback.

lawnmowerman · May 30, 2006 12:44PM

I actually enjoyed him while he was on Sporstcenter. My favorite line of his was "you know how old he is? He's 206! "( Refering to players that were very seasoned)

schr1st · May 30, 2006 12:50PM

I wonder why he is buying the Heritage Cutouts and not the base Topps ones.

Stone193 · May 30, 2006 12:52PM

Anyone have his email contact?

I'll send him a friendly CU hi ho!

baseballfanatic · May 30, 2006 1:11PM

<< I wonder why he is buying the Heritage Cutouts and not the base Topps ones. >>

As Tony Reali would say "Inside information....."

earlycalguy · May 30, 2006 1:18PM

<< Anyone have his email contact?

I'll send him a friendly CU hi ho!

>>

Mike - just use the contact member link on the feedback page

Joel

wick70 · May 30, 2006 1:35PM

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Actually, he's buying four versions. (3)The Topps Base cut-out, (14)the Topps Base Full, (1)the Topps Base full with no picture and the (8)Heritage cut-out. Paying as much as $7500 for the full card.

Wick

Stone193 · May 30, 2006 1:46PM

<< 

<< Anyone have his email contact?

I'll send him a friendly CU hi ho!

>>

Mike - just use the contact member link on the feedback page

Joel >>

Joel
If he's not selling - or during a current auction, I don't believe you can contact him?

mike

RickyHendersonSD · May 30, 2006 1:57PM

OK, humor me. Why would anybody buy a card with the center of the card missing? What is so special about it?

earlycalguy · May 30, 2006 3:17PM

<< 

<< 

<< Anyone have his email contact?

I'll send him a friendly CU hi ho!

>>

Mike - just use the contact member link on the feedback page

Joel >>

Joel
If he's not selling - or during a current auction, I don't believe you can contact him?

mike >>

Mike -

you can contact any ebay member that way. you don't see his actual email address, just goes thru a blind ebay email.

Joel

CDsNuts · May 30, 2006 3:25PM

Ricky,
For the same reason collectors were going after all 569 of the "corrected" version of the Bill Ripken F-face card, and paying premiums on them based on perceived scarcity.
"I got the scribble"....."The black box is more valuable"......."Not as valuable as the white out"

Lee

iamthegreatcornholio · May 30, 2006 3:36PM

I guess I've been living in a bubble for the past few months - I never heard of this card till now.

Holy cow that's a lot of money for an error card - I think I'll be going to Wal-Mart tomorrow.

Courvoisier · May 30, 2006 8:28PM

<< OK, humor me. Why would anybody buy a card with the center of the card missing? What is so special about it? >>

Hmm, am I the only pimp on here thinking? Did anyone ever think that he is a front man for Topps? He could be buying all of these up just to have them removed from circulation and destroyed, then Topps foot the bill...paying Keith to retrieve these cards. Fleer couldn't do that with the Ripken card since then they let the presses run. 100-1000 is a lot easier to retrieve than 100,000. So, Olbermann would be making money and getting some exposure for his show. Topps sells more product and also find all the cards that slipped into packs as no one will be sitting on cases.

Pimp On...

WinPitcher · May 30, 2006 10:01PM

I think he is simply a collector that wants as many of these that he can get his hands on.

Steve

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 30, 2006 10:14PM

<< Ricky,
For the same reason collectors were going after all 569 of the "corrected" version of the Bill Ripken F-face card, and paying premiums on them based on perceived scarcity.
"I got the scribble"....."The black box is more valuable"......."Not as valuable as the white out"

Lee >>

569!!! Man I thought I was close with my 15. lol

2fast4u · May 30, 2006 11:35PM

What are the values on the ripken error variations?

ToppsCo1lector · May 31, 2006 12:39AM

^^If you know any dealers in the Baltimore/Aberdeen area you can get some good money for them. I haven't sold any personally but in my hometown the shopowner(who was a local professor), well him and I discussed money making ways of cardshop dealers. I would've worked there when I was in HS, but he sold everything to a neighbor of mine and basically got out of the industry. He was not a modern card type guy, and they were all the rage at the time(GU'ed cards I mean specifically) and he'd only sell those on consignment. He basically had 4 display cases of rookies(Rare, vintage...the good stuff). Well, the didn't work out do to the consumer trends at the time. Cool guy tho.

Stone193 · May 31, 2006 1:07AM

Attention Keith!

I just pulled this new rare Duke cutout version - you can have it for 822 bucks!

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 1:58AM

<< What are the values on the ripken error variations? >>

Basically Nrmt+ raw...

Black Box all 3 versions $1-$3 ea.

FF $5-$10

Black Scribble all 3 versions $3-$10 ea.

Whiteout Raw usually sell around $30-80 but highly possible that they are faked
PSA 9 sold over $300 BGS 8 sold $200

White Scribble $40-$100

Black Scribble saw cuts $10-20

B/W test card $3-$30 Card is FAKE as mentioned in a SCD article. bummer I paid $80 way back when

These are the more common versions. I have a few others I have bought but never seen them sell elsewhere. I paid $500 for one and 6 mo. later one popped up on ebay for $100. bummer I dont want to post prices on a few others I have as I think I paid too much and I dont want to artificially raise the prices for others looking to complete a master set.

I still need around 5 more versions that I have seen in collections or in articles but not sure if all are legit.

Happy Hunting -Donovan
Like a good friend says "Cal Ripken is a legend but Bills a FF".

RipublicaninMass · May 31, 2006 3:03AM

A fool and his money...

But how did the fool get the money to begin with??

Courvoisier · May 31, 2006 3:08AM

<< A fool and his money...

But how did the fool get the money to begin with?? >>

My playa instinct fits the profile. He would have the money if Topps was the one buying them to have them removed from circulation. Olbermann would just be the front man. Extra cash and publicity for Keith, extra cash and publicity for Topps as they would sell a lot more product with people searching for the cards. Topps also gets the cards removed from circulation and be in compliance with the new RC rule.

Play On....

lowstartmick · May 31, 2006 3:14AM

I wouldn't write Olbermann off as a fool. As a very high profile collector I would bet he is more "in the know" than we would expect. What if there were only a few hundred Cut Heritage Gordons and he manages to grab a hundred of them ?
With the strong prices for this card you would expect to see more of them on Ebay , when I looked yesterday I didn't see any.

MajorDanby · May 31, 2006 5:14AM

as many stated above, olbermann isnt buying this card simply because he wants them. he's one of the more respected collectors in the hobby and knows his cards very well.

He's the frontman for Topps....He's buying what is now the most overhyped card in the market....you can make many assumptions and hypotheses based on these two facts alone (and many of you have already have)

bishop · May 31, 2006 5:21AM

Another conspiracy, darn.

Stone193 · May 31, 2006 5:35AM

Me personally?

I could give a rats ass why he's buying them up.

Conspiracy? Very sexy. Highly unlikely.

He's a long time saavy collector.

May have a strong "investor side" to himself also - my guess.

mike

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 5:45AM

I too want to defend Olbermann. He makes over $100,000 a month I read. True or not he makes alot more than any of us and if you had the collection he does you would also only be attracted to rare/unique items. I do not think Topps is behind this. A HUGE company like Topps risking alot of negative publicity if caught just to remove some cards from the market and make hype. No. People complaining about his buying preferences,inflating prices ect... Who cares what he buys and if prices are something you cannot afford you must then move on to something else. Errors and cards that are released on accident usually eventually go down in value (89 Fleer FF was over $100 now $10) and some cards are real valuable (H. Wagner). He is a collector/investor like many of us, he just has a bigger wallet.

Axtell · May 31, 2006 5:58AM

He's likely buying the cards, driving up demand and prices, and will likely flip many of them to make a profit.

Olbermann has a well respected collection, and his buying of cards is well documented.

CDsNuts · May 31, 2006 7:15AM

Why would Topps want to remove cards from the market that they intentionally put there in the first place? You think this was an accident? You think it just so happens that they made an "error" on the number 2 pick in the draft and someone many scouts think was the best prospect in the draft? Really? I guess that 90 UD Ben McDonald error was a mistake too.

They've successfully rejuvenated thair base product which had been in decline for the past decade by using this error gimmick, and it worked like a charm. When's the last time you had dealers and collectors lining up at Wal Mart to get the newest Topps boosters? Hell I even bought one and I haven't bought a regular Topps box since 92.

Lee

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 7:44AM

Why didnt they pick #1 pick or a superstar? Errors create sales yes but also create alot of negative publicity for the company also the theories cause many to move away from their brand as they lose faith in their intentions/practices.

1990 UD Mcdonald error ?? I am unaware of that one. But I have heard that the UD Murphy was created intentionally as well as the Ripken FF. We will never know. Who cares. Whats next-toilet papering the guys house that collects Gregg Jefferies? Lets pretend they did do this on purpose. What now. You going to burn all your Topps cards? No you wont. Will you leave the hobby. No you wont. All that will be accomplished is ranting over something we have no control over. Roll with it.

Accidents happen. If that was not true 90% of us would not be here !!

We cannot expect the card companies to have 100% quality control. I know I could not put out 800 card sets from over 10 different labels year after year without mistakes.

Actually Topps paid me to write this.

HAPPY Hunting

Lothar52 · May 31, 2006 7:53AM

gentlemen i dont think he needs the money...why he is doing this i have no idea...

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 8:13AM

^^I agree. I just dont understand why some care so much when it does not affect them.

Stone -I think that Duke is a fake. The cut should be bigger...unless its a 1/1. lol

I actually saw some Gordon cut out topps cards that were fake. The seller mentioned it in his listing. I guess if you want to fill a hole and save a buck....

Courvoisier · May 31, 2006 8:46AM

<< A HUGE company like Topps risking alot of negative publicity if caught just to remove some cards from the market and make hype. No. People complaining about his buying preferences,inflating prices ect... Who cares what he buys and if prices are something you cannot afford you must then move on to something else. Errors and cards that are released on accident usually eventually go down in value (89 Fleer FF was over $100 now $10) and some cards are real valuable (H. Wagner). He is a collector/investor like many of us, he just has a bigger wallet. >>

Playa, what negative publicly? If it came out that Topps tried to get these pulled out of circulation, that's not negative. It's positive in the eyes of the MLBPA licensing board. That shows Topps admits to the screw up and trying to make it right. Nothing negative there. Also, The ripken FF card was probably 100,000-200,000 in circulation. The Gordon is estimated at 100 or less. Big difference. And it doesn't hurt the cause that Gordon is hitting .300+ in the minors and was a top draft pick.

Play On....

CDsNuts · May 31, 2006 9:18AM

1989Fleer: Sorry if the tone of my last post sounded like a rant. If it was a rant, it was directed more at collectors who don't realize how or why errors like this are created. The Ripken FF is not one of those examples because it was clearly a prank by a teammate that Fleer didn't catch, but then Fleer went and used the momentum by all the different corrected varitions and continued to sell product throughout the year. Also, if the rookie card rule was not in effect, the Gordon RC would be one of the top three most expensive RCs in all the sets being produced and would probably be a $150+ Bowman Chrome RC. The first pick in the draft was Justin Upton, a high school shortstop who won't see the majors for 4 years, while Gordan hits for power and average, and could see the majors next year. Gordon is the type of player collectors go after.

Here's the story on the Ben McDonald error: After all the craziness surrounding the 89 Dale Murphy and Fleer Ripken errors, UD "accidentally" used the Orioles logo instead of the Rookie Star logo on McDonald's RC for the first run of cases. Of course it was quickly corrected and only a few got out, but how much of a coincidence would it be to have an error on the card of the most hyped pitching prospect to come out of college possibly ever, with collectors clamoring for his cards (believe me, they were especially here in B-more) before the sets even came out. You're telling me no one at Upper Deck noticed the error of the most important card in the set at the time?

These aren't really conspiracy theories, just Marketing 101: Creating a Buzz. I'm not angry at Topps or any other company for doing this. In fact I think it's brilliant. But don't for a second think that this error was an accident.

Lee

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 9:44AM

I dont think Topps, being around 50+ years is too concerned with the MLBPA board. A billion dollar company I assume. I think they have their foot in the door. I remember Fleer had alot of negative Press from the FF card after many assumed it was intentional. I have heard over 4 theories on that card. Fleer made over 20 errors in the 1989 Fleer. People eventually saw it as a gimmick. Fleer sales rose in 1989. How about 1990? Errors? I dont honestly know of many or any.

The negative publicity would be if word leaked out that there was a Olbermann conspiricy to buy back all the cards as someone mentioned earlier. Or if it was found out that they created this error intentionally. I dont think a huge company like that would risk it. You think this card is going to make them rich? I am unsure if Topps has a pre-set print run for the year. If so they just sold some cards quicker and can print series 2 a little earlier. If they make to order with no limits then the few thousand extra cases they sold will increase profits by a small margin and yes they get alot of free publicity.

In all fairness it is possible Topps did this on purpose. But those that link Olbermann to this I think is far fetched. A well respected veteran collector and a large Baseball card company ?? Possible but unlikely.

Now if I owned Topps,sure I would create a intentional error. Not for $$ or hype as I am sure they do pretty well already but for those collectors who like the thrill of the hunt and to own something truly rare and unique.

I only compared the Gordon to the FF card to show this card will eventually die down too. Then we can all go back to picking on peoples grammer or collecting choices. Yes the FF card dropped in value for the most part. The whiteout was printed in small numbers and remains valuable. My point is there are many FF versions ie. whiteout that are rare/valuable and will only be sought by those who want them. I have paid $500 for one FF Double Die version. 6 months later one pops up for $100. Oh well. I just wanted that rare version. It was worth the money to me.

If the card is out of your price range-move on.
Seems like those that are compaining about this card is those who do not own a copy.

Happy Hunting,Donovan

CDsNuts · May 31, 2006 9:58AM

You spelled "grammar" wrong.

Lee

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 10:01AM

cdsnuts- Your tone was fine. I was directing it to people in general. I find myself defending this card on a few message boards and for why I dont know. Thanks for the info on the UD error. Now I remember. I know a guy online who says he knew some people from UD and they gave him some errors to distribute and create a buzz at a big show in 1989. Then again I trust most online "friends" as much as I do my x-wife but interesting story none the less.
I think its possible Topps created this error. For a few seconds I also think they didn't. But I do not think Olbermann is buying them back for Topps. What will he gain? He has money,very rare collection,well known ect... I dont think he would risk that. Then again I never thought Dwight Gooden would be where he is now either.
None of this is directed right at you. Just a rambling of thoughts. Harmless conversation. Wish I could type faster though.

Gottta go,too much time here-
Donovan

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 10:02AM

<< You spelled "grammar" wrong.

Lee >>

Thanks. lol

CDsNuts · May 31, 2006 10:14AM

I do agree with you that Olberman and Topps have nothing to do with each other.

When I was a kid I loved collecting errors but I never could afford the good ones (Littlefield, Nettles, Dale Murphy, Frank Thomas NNOF, etc..) so I gave up on it. I remember the only one I ever pulled out of a pack was an 88 Topps Keith Comstock with white team letters. I bought the Ripken FF last year because I've always wanted one. Being an Orioles fan, I'm really curious as to which teammate wrote FF on the bat. Wouldn't it be cool if it was Curt Schilling and it comes out in the press as a huge scandal and his HOF eligibility is in jeopardy?

Lee

joestalin · May 31, 2006 10:20AM

I have contacted Mr Olberman, and we are currently in negoations over this beauty. I have never seen another Damon Gum beard
on ebay. Im calling it a 1/1, and am asking him for 1/1 type jack. A perfect melding of gum and art!

JS

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 10:50AM

<< I do agree with you that Olberman and Topps have nothing to do with each other.

When I was a kid I loved collecting errors but I never could afford the good ones (Littlefield, Nettles, Dale Murphy, Frank Thomas NNOF, etc..) so I gave up on it. I remember the only one I ever pulled out of a pack was an 88 Topps Keith Comstock with white team letters. I bought the Ripken FF last year because I've always wanted one. Being an Orioles fan, I'm really curious as to which teammate wrote FF on the bat. Wouldn't it be cool if it was Curt Schilling and it comes out in the press as a huge scandal and his HOF eligibility is in jeopardy?

Lee >>

Among the many stories I have heard one was something about Mike Greenwell. It was his friend and .....I also read in a Beckett some guy on Geraldo confessed to doing it. Whatever. I want to know where the bat it. !!!! Now that would be one GU bat card I would actually buy. I too could never afford the FF as a kid and stumbled upon it a few years back. Since then another good friend and I have found out alot about it.

Gotta go,Donovan
Another card similar to the FF card is the Jim Nettles 1990 Pacific Senior uncorrected version. They wrote A#S HOLE on his bat knob. funny

Stone193 · May 31, 2006 11:06AM

<<

I have contacted Mr Olberman, and we are currently in negoations over this beauty. I have never seen another Damon Gum beard
on ebay. Im calling it a 1/1, and am asking him for 1/1 type jack. A perfect melding of gum and art!

JS >>

Very cool Kevin.

Thanx for the humor.

mike

gregmadduxfan · May 31, 2006 11:07AM

What are you guys willing to pay for his home address and email address?

I actually won't give that info out but I have recently done business with him.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 31, 2006 11:10AM

<< What are you guys willing to pay for his home address and email address?

I actually won't give that info out but I have recently done business with him. >>

Then why offer? Not that I want it. Thats scary. I know he has a hellova security system but still...

gregmadduxfan · June 1, 2006 7:25AM

I didn't offer......there was clearly never an offer ever made....I do not give out any personal information of any of my buyers.

bishop · June 1, 2006 7:47AM

Who cares about his addresses. Do you have Jennifer Aniston's e-mail address ?

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 1, 2006 7:59AM

No Offer? What are you willing to pay...... then covered up with I would not do that. But then conveniently mentioned you have his address thru a past transaction. Sounds like a hidden offer. Why bring it up then? Wow you have his address!

Anyone want to buy a 1952 Mantle PSA 1? I dont really have one to sell. But I have one.

It just struck me as odd. If my address was mentioned on a board I would be upset. There are many crazy/desperate people out there.

Happy Hunting-Donovan

CDsNuts · June 1, 2006 8:04AM

Hey Ripken,
I'll trade you my 89 Fleer Bill Ripken rare "Buttface" version for your Mantle PSA 1. If you want to, we can make the trade at Olbermann's house. If only I had a way to get the address.......

Lee

Olbermann and Gordon cut-out

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