Libertas Americana...What a hayseed I am...

RTS

...I was thinking of maybe bidding $3,000 on this...

BECOKA

Sorry, what is this?

It looks fantastic and it has a wonderful almost laquer surface with an incredible color.

jayboxx

I don't know what they are worth, but they are really awesome looking. Somebody posted a picture of TradeDollarNut's a week or so back, that was the first one I had ever seen.

Russ

<< <i>...I was thinking of maybe bidding $3,000 on this... >>



Sell for a little more than that, did it?

Russ, NCNE

tradedollarnut

One of the biggest numismatic mistakes I've ever made was selling the Bass silver Libertas [indirectly] to Cardinal for a small profit.

coindeuce

The silver composition(unique) of this medal is worth more than 10 times that...

jayboxx

Here is the one I was talking about Link, guess I didn't read the part about TDN selling it as I was too amazed by the medal itself.

coindeuce

A copper composition was just sold by Goldberg's with a hammer of 10K. If you had been referring to the silver composition sold by Stack's, it only realized $35K. Quite a dramatic drop from what the Bass pedigreed example realized...and I digress. the silver composition is not unique, but many times more rare than the copper.

The silver Betts-615 example sold this past weekend by Stack's is pedigreed to F.C.C. Boyd. Comparable in importance to the Bass specimen, but obviously not in front of the the same audience, what with realizing only 30% of what the Bass specimen hammered...

Edited to add "The silver Betts...hammered".

braddick

You may have mine. Even for a little less!

coindeuce

Ahh yes... The famous Puceous Peacok Collection!!

Fountainhead

It went for $10K! And they call that "Extremely Fine". I don't see any wear on it. What would it take for them to call it mint state?

Baley

Amazing medals.

I like how the baby has a snake in each hand.

slumlord98

The market price of these medals was held down from recent highs due to so many being available. Stacks just sold two silver copies for $110k and $35k (all prices are hammer), and eight bronze copies for $4-$18k (plus grease), a silver Paris copy of 1975, a partial hub impression in brass, and two die trials. Ford was apparently a fan of this medal.

curly

Amazing history behind that medal. If I remember correctly, the reverse is liberty protecting the infant U.S. against the British lion. Ben Franklin's slap to England was having the lion's tail placed between his legs.

A great medal for a great new country.

Conder101

Not Liberty, France. It is France (Coat of Arms on the shield) defending the infant nation (USA) from the British Lion (whose tail is tucked between its legs, a heraldic symbol of defeat.). The two snakes also had a symbolic meaning that I can't remember at this moment. The representation of the USA as an infant clutching the two snakes is also an allusion to greek mythology. There is a story of the infant Hercules where one night two serpents were sent to kill the child. The parents heard a commotion and brought a lamp into the nursery to find the infant gurgling happily clutching the dead serpents in either fist. The use of the same image on the medal says that the US is an infant now, but will grow up to become one of (if not the) the most powerful nations.

RTS

From the New Netherlands Coin Company Inc.'s sale of April 1972, Lot 615...


Obverse: The inscription LIBERTAS AMERICANA is in an arc above, 4 JUIL. 1776 is in the exergue below. At the center is the head of Libertas Americana, a.k.a. Miss Liberty, facing left, with rich tresses of hair flowing behind, set against a liberty cap on pole. The top of the pole is seen below her neck, and the end of the pole with cap behind her hair to the upper right.

Reverse: With inscription NON SINE DIIS ANIMOSUS INFANS (the infant is not bold without divine aid) above, 17 OCT. 1777 and 19 OCT. 1781. The allegorical motif on the reverse is a fine example of the engraver's art. Minerva, clad in breastplate and plumed helmet, holds a shield bearing the fleur de lys of France. The infant Hercules (representing the new American nation) kneels in the protective shadow of Minerva's shield, grasping a strangled serpent in each tiny fist. The reptiles represent the defeats of General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne (17 October, 1777) and General George Cornwallis (19 October, 1781). The British lion stands, forepaws upon Minerva's shield. Its tail is between its rear legs, a heraldic signal of cowardice or defeat, as, indeed, it may also be in nature. In some 19th-century accounts (citations on request to the successful bidder) this particular breed of cat has been called incorrectly a leopard or a panther.

curly

A story about Ben Franklin since had had some input on this medal. It seems he was at an English reception after the war and an English politician told him that "......here in England, we keep a picture of George Washington in our outhouses...", to which Ben replied ".....I think that is a wonderful idea, for I can't think of any thing that would make an Englishman sh*t faster.

Lord, I love numismatics.

coindeuce

The original intent of the production of the medal was Franklin's idea. These were intended as presentation pieces for the French monarchy as a gesture of thanks to the French for their support of the colonists in their battle for freedom from British tyranny.

Baley

does the hat on the pole look to anyone else like an afterthought?? ....

doesn't seem to match the scale, nor the style, nor the engraving level of detail of the other devices.

Baley

no comments about the "liberty cap"?? how about how small it is? how about how it defies gravity and hangs unnaturally?

for such a nice medal, that cap looks to me very out of place and "squeezed in"

Am I the only one?

coindeuce

Baley, this portion of the design does seem very odd and out of place to me as well. Could it be possible that another artist imposed upon Dupre's work? Great theory for a dedicated numismatist to research...