who cares

FavreFan1971

715 by a so called cheater or 714 by hot dogs and beer. I take the beer.

Happy Memorial Day

lawnmowerman

What? He did it?

FavreFan1971

He or IT?

lawnmowerman

<< <i>He or IT? >>

Both

tennesseebanker

Im afraid so,

lawnmowerman

Hey Tenn

Hows your boy doing? Sleeping alot, crying alot and eating alot? All of the above?

tennesseebanker

All of the above, I affectionately call him "Puddin Head".

Thanks for asking, How is that new baby girl of yours ?

lawnmowerman

Great! She is so cute! She just starting smiling alot the last few days. Starting to develope a personality I guess. Children are great, they are what really matters, not all the other junk going on in our lives.

tennesseebanker

Amen Brother , I know you will teach them well.

Heres hoping all new parents get to sleep late in the morning ! Good night and Good luck !

lawnmowerman

Stone193

I don't know...

This may fall into the "whatever" category for me I guess?

But, Happy Memorial Day!
mike

storm888

I was in Atlanta when Aaron made all of the subject records.
It was a huge deal and everybody was glued to their TVs.
The ONLY story anybody cared about was Aaron.

Now, I do not care about the "new records." I was wondering if
that was because of the "allegations," or because modern baseball
just became a "wait until October to get excited" kind of thing for me.
I decided the "allegations" are very secondary to the creation of my
apathy.

Playing baseball as a young person taught me everything I needed to
know about everything. I think that if I was young again I would have
no motivation to play the game and learn the lessons. It is a little hard
to explain, but if you were not a kid when Mantle and Maris were
at it, you just cannot grasp "the importance" that was placed on baseball
by American families.

The change in the way folks feel about baseball was not caused by Bonds,
or the player-strike, or the great Pete Rose placing bets. It happened over
a period of time and the "scandals," while negatively cumulative in their effect,
were not at the heart of the decline. I draw that conclusion because there
were plenty of "scandals" between 1920 and 1965, and Americans still
"loved baseball" in much greater numbers and with much greater passion
than is the case today.

It is sad that the statistics of baseball just do not mean what they did
when I was a kid. Like the TV show "Numbers" says, "We use math in
everything we do." My playmates and I learned a whole lot about math
while we played baseball and while we memorized the statistics
produced by the players we idolized.

I suspect that if you are 20-years old today, the modern cards will not,
in your lifetime, ever have the value that the 50s/60s stuff has today.
So, buy vintage now, because a bunch of old guys with lots of cash
will very soon be grasping for something to "bring back the feelings we
had when we were 10 and only the catcher wore his cap backwards."

storm

DaBigHurt

<< <i>715 by a so called cheater or 714 by hot dogs and beer. I take the beer.

Happy Memorial Day >>








Maybe if he passed Ruth while he was hooked on drugs and alcohol like Brett Favre, you'd care more?

wolfbear

<< <i>Maybe if he passed Ruth while he was hooked on drugs and alcohol like Brett Favre, you'd care more? >>


Some Bonds jock sniffers like DaBigHurt will just never get it.

Smoking dope, drinking, taking uppers or downers affects an athlete's mind.
That same effect can be found through hypnosis, sports psychologists, yoga, or any of a vast array of religious trainings, etc.

Taking body altering drugs that make your muscles bigger so you can hit the ball further is CHEATING.

Hello ... DaBigHurt ... reality just called ... they said you once again missed your appointment to check in with them ...

fiveniner

Barry Who????

GlynRParson

I honestly just dont care about the roids and i honestly dont see him as any more of a cheater then the vast majority of people who have played big league ball in the past. if there was no penalty in the rules for what he did how was it such an abomination and why is it we only seem to drill him for it. i know he's a horses rear end but he is/was an awesome ball player.

Slabbed

We all know that after the last baseball strike the commisioner and other baseball officials looked the other way when big Mac and Samin Sammy where jackin out homers at a superficial fast pace and that was to bring the people back to the ballparks and fill those seats. And now we blame it all on Barry? Try all the big wigs that run baseball and turn the other cheek when there only intent is to fill only there pockets with gold.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Barry Who???? >>


"I write the songs that make the whole world cry..."

FavreFan1971

The Big Hurt needs a clue.

Nuff said.

hardcorehockeyfan

<< <i>We all know that after the last baseball strike the commisioner and other baseball officials looked the other way when big Mac and Samin Sammy where jackin out homers at a superficial fast pace and that was to bring the people back to the ballparks and fill those seats. And now we blame it all on Barry? Try all the big wigs that run baseball and turn the other cheek when there only intent is to fill only there pockets with gold. >>



I surprisingly agree with you on this one. Baseball knew what was going on, and I bet, encouraged it, now one player is the fall-out boy. If you blame one, you blame EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NewJerseyMeatHook

Sheamaster

The irony here is that the people who supposedly don't care start threads about him on message boards.

DaBigHurt

<< <i>The Big Hurt needs a clue.

Nuff said. >>



I get it just fine. I just love the hypocrisy of your pathetic attempt to make fun of Bonds when your boy Brett Favre was ADDICTED to painkillers and alcohol, but you had no problems with that.

And poor Axtell doesn't know which way is up anymore after the beatings he's endured on the boards. Hey Ax, make some sense and people will take you seriously again.

On the Web sites of ESPN and CNN, on the channels and programming of ESPN, the attacks on Barry are constant and WE GET IT! God damn, we friggin get it! The media doesn't like Bonds. There are a lot of people out there who are convinced Bonds is the devil incarnate. Okay, that's fine, but do we have to hear the same repeated horsecrap here on the sportscard and memorabilia forum? There's a forum called "sports talk" where you can spout all the rehashed nonsense ad nausem and nobody will care. Everything you hear on sports talk radio, the signs of "beer and hotdogs" regarding Bonds that you read in SI, you can pretend all those arguments are original and other Bonds haters will pat you on the back telling you what a great job of posting you're doing.

This might come as a shock to you, but there are actually people who don't give a damn about Bonds or are sick and tired of hearing the same things over and over and over again. There are some people who hope the sports cards and memorabilia forum is a refuge for those wanting to avoid steriod talk and Bonds hating.

FavreFan1971

It is ashame when the little hurt has to use God's name in vane to get his point across.

Hey hurt, go through this thread and any of mine in the past two years since I have been here. Where did I say Favre was innocent to his problems? Nowhere did I say that. If you read the Green Bay Press Gazette back when he addmitted his problem I wrote an editiorial letter that got printed. I applauded the Packers and Favre by coming forth and not hiding his problem. Has barry done that? Nope! Not at all. The reason why he has not done that is denial and he will get the big hurt put on him from society and MLB. I am not saying Favre did nothing wrong, he is just honest. Have you ever met Favre? I have. Many times with the charity work I do. I am a cancer survivor and so is his wife. She went through hell compared to me but talking to him before and after his wife's ordeal. He is still the same man! Honest and straight forward. More than most of us can ever ask for.

So in my mind the big hurt now stands for a steriod supporter or just a plain cheater.

Ya, know the big hurt always talks about buying the holder and not the card. Well look at bonds, would you buy his hyped up over used body? (the holder) I would not.

Happy Memorial Day to all. Even the big hurt.

DaBigHurt

<< <i>It is ashame when the little hurt has to use God's name in vane to get his point across.

Hey hurt, go through this thread and any of mine in the past two years since I have been here. Where did I say Favre was innocent to his problems? Nowhere did I say that. If you read the Green Bay Press Gazette back when he addmitted his problem I wrote an editiorial letter that got printed. I applauded the Packers and Favre by coming forth and not hiding his problem. Has barry done that? Nope! Not at all. The reason why he has not done that is denial and he will get the big hurt put on him from society and MLB. I am not saying Favre did nothing wrong, he is just honest. Have you ever met Favre? I have. Many times with the charity work I do. I am a cancer survivor and so is his wife. She went through hell compared to me but talking to him before and after his wife's ordeal. He is still the same man! Honest and straight forward. More than most of us can ever ask for.

So in my mind the big hurt now stands for a steriod supporter or just a plain cheater.

Ya, know the big hurt always talks about buying the holder and not the card. Well look at bonds, would you buy his hyped up over used body? (the holder) I would not.

Happy Memorial Day to all. Even the big hurt. >>






Wonder how hopped up on drugs Favre was when he won those MVP awards, brought the Packers to the Super Bowl and I wonder if he would've been able to play in so many games if not for the painkillers. Maybe we should put an asterik next to his records?

Sounds like you're willing to overlook Favre's drug and alcohol abuse because he plays for your team.

FavreFan1971

It is ashame that I came in from my day off to reply to this crap. But the hurt has more time than me.

Regardless of what you say about Favre. He came forward, no one outed him. Everyone has outed Bonds that has had so sort of proof. Did I ever say Favre was right for taking prescribed pain killers or drinking too much beer. No!

hurt, you need to grow up and understand that Bonds had cheated and won't admit it. Favre took pain killers and drank a lot and admitted that he did so. When were those athletically enhancing (pain killers and booze)? Seems the hurt needs to look up some more information before he replies next.

Hope I did not spell too many things wrong, this Memorial Day beer can take its toll.

Happy M Day to all. Even the big hurt.

PS Did anyone notice I did not need to us God's name in vane to get my point across.

DaBigHurt

I think ABUSING painkillers like Favre did actually enhanced his ability to play. Why else would you start taking painkillers in the first place? While other plays were unable to cope with the punishment of the NFL, Favre simply popped pills that allowed him to stay on the field and help the Packers win.

So you worship Favre because he admitted to abusing drugs? and that's why you think his alcoholism is okay?

Sorry to break it to you, but the reason Favre admitted himself into drug rehab was not because he wanted to be some role model, but because he was suffering from SEIZURES associated with his drug abuse! When he underwent off-season ankle surgery and suffered a seizure, he knew something was wrong. Here's a quote from Favre in the NY Times from 1996:

"Throughout the last couple of years, playing with pain and injuries and because of numerous surgeries, I became dependent upon medication," Favre said at a news conference in Green Bay, Wis. "During this last surgery, a surgery on my ankle, I suffered a seizure in the hospital. Because of that I sought help through the N.F.L. I think the best thing to do was get some help. That's what we're going to do."

Dr. John Gray, the Packers' associate team physician, said the seizure was a "wake-up call" for Favre, a three-time Pro Bowl quarterback.

"He realized that normal, healthy people don't have seizures," Gray said.


Somehow, I seriously doubt you'll put aside your hatred for Bonds even if he ever said he was wrong for doing steriods.

Save your pity party. You spam threads like this, expect others to throw it back in your face.

262Runner

I care, GO Bonds!

lawnmowerman

I CARE AS WELL! GO BARRY!!!

julen23

hots on for nowhere

Julen

pandrews

<< <i>And poor Axtell doesn't know which way is up anymore after the beatings he's endured on the boards. Hey Ax, make some sense and people will take you seriously again. >>



im looking for axtells post in this thread..

yawie99

That was the first thing that came across my mind, too, DBH - that it's a tad ironic for a Favre fan to blast Barry when his own idol's performance, or at least his ability to play game in and game out, was likely chemically supplemented.

That said, so what?

Overrated

Ruth, Arron, Mantle, Maris the real home run hitters!!!!!!!!!

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Ruth, Arron, Mantle, Maris the real home run hitters!!!!!!!!! >>

I agree. Dont forget Griff Jr

FavreFan1971

<< <i>Ruth, Arron, Mantle, Maris the real home run hitters!!!!!!!!! >>



word to your mother.

the big hurt has no clue.

NewJerseyMeatHook

I'm a Vikes fan, but I'll take Favre any day of the week.

The guy's a gamer.

Snowball

BALCO's IRS Crimminal Investigation Memo......


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DaBigHurt

<< <i>

<< <i>And poor Axtell doesn't know which way is up anymore after the beatings he's endured on the boards. Hey Ax, make some sense and people will take you seriously again. >>



im looking for axtells post in this thread.. >>



Axtell, Wolfbear..same thing.

Interesting article by Dan Lebatard of the Miami Herald.

Bonds not liked, but he's the best

Steroids or no steroids, jerk or no jerk, outraged national hysteria or no outraged national hysteria, Barry Bonds it the best baseball player I've ever seen. He is Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Lance Armstrong, Pelé. And that is not diluted for me by all the angry noise that surrounds him now in a sports climate in which we derive a little too much glee from shouting ''Cheater!'' and ''Liar!'' and ``Fraud!''

Do I like Bonds? Not particularly, although I can't really pretend to know him based on the dozen interviews I've had with him in a decade. But I do admire him. I think he is to baseball what Einstein is to genius. I think he is better at what he does for a living than just about everyone on this planet is at what they do for a living. And I wouldn't be covering sports as a livelihood -- or wouldn't be doing it with any joy, anyway -- if I didn't admire and respect this kind of unprecedented excellence.

STILL OBJECTIVE

Does my admiration cloud by judgment? No. I try to be discerning, not judgmental, about how I cover sports. I fail sometimes. But I try. A personality, no matter how pr1ckly or personable, does not alter my view of his production. It would be ideal if everyone in sports were like gentlemen Derek Jeter and Tiger Woods. Boring. But ideal. That's unrealistic, obviously, but we continually try to make sports a utopia unlike any other workplace.

I believe sports fans, still viewing this big-business entertainment through a child's eyes, still escaping to the playpen away from Enron and a war in Iraq, allow like and dislike to get in the way. The excellence of abrasive types such as Bonds and Terrell Owens somehow are diminished because they aren't easy to like. We probably wouldn't be quite as outraged if we somehow learned that saintly Cal Ripken Jr., owner of a sacred number in our most numerical game, had stayed healthy with the help of dianobol.

Ah, yes, steroids. They confuse matters today, don't they? As Bonds passes the boozy, debaucherous legend Babe Ruth. And this is the part of the column where, amid all the howling, I have to point out a few things, because anything these days that isn't angrily anti-Bonds is somehow viewed as apology.

I don't condemn Bonds' behavior. That doesn't mean I condone it. I try to explain his behavior. That doesn't mean I excuse it. Andre Agassi calls ''empathy'' the trait he most values in other human beings, so all I try to do with Bonds is what I do with most human behavior. I try to understand it. There are plenty of people yelling about Bonds today. It isn't interesting to me.

What is interesting to me is the fascinating storm that swirls around Bonds and why and how he got sucked into it. He was baseball's best player. And a bunch of pharmacy freaks saved his sport, overshadowing him and his unprecedented achievement while he was becoming the only player to reach 400 homers and 400 steals. That made him jealous. Small? Absolutely. But human, too. You wouldn't like being the best at your job and watching others blow past you for promotions.

Bonds was a product of his environment. His godfather, the god Willie Mays, says he probably would have tried steroids if they were available in his day, too. Most athletes would if there were no repercussions, as there weren't in baseball. It is why we have refs, managers, officials, bosses in sports. People as competitive as athletes can't be trusted to police themselves.

But the steroid era was the wild, wild best. Jose Canseco's estimate that 80 percent of the league was using doesn't sound absurd anymore. That's baseball's fault, not Bonds'. He was doing what aging athletes do -- trying to keep up. The surprise isn't that someone in this competitive and ruleless ecosystem would go through the pharmacy to heal and get stronger. The surprise is that all of them didn't.

NO EXCUSES

Again, that's an explanation, not an excuse. You shouldn't do illegal things. That goes without saying. But you show me an athlete or coach who is making too many moral stands, and I'll show you an athlete or coach who is losing to the guys who aren't. Baseball created the climate of cheat or lose, not Bonds.

So now he takes his place one home run beyond the immortal Babe Ruth, as enormous a sports legend as America has ever seen.

It is your right to view this as tainted, smeared and fraudulent. It doesn't alter my view, though.

He is the best I've ever seen.

Boopotts

If the OP cares so little, then why did he hang the exact same post in two different forums?

FavreFan1971

Again mr. hurt. That was one opinion from one writer. There are millions of fans. Keep grasping for straws.

And for the post ahead of mine. I do care enough that I wanted my opinion heard so I posted on two threads.

Go Favre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boopotts

<< <i>Again mr. hurt. That was one opinion from one writer. There are millions of fans. Keep grasping for straws.

And for the post ahead of mine. I do care enough that I wanted my opinion heard so I posted on two threads.

Go Favre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>




Then you shouldn't title your thread 'who cares'.

DaBigHurt

<< <i>Again mr. hurt. That was one opinion from one writer. There are millions of fans. Keep grasping for straws.

And for the post ahead of mine. I do care enough that I wanted my opinion heard so I posted on two threads.

Go Favre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>





I don't think you get it. If I wanted to "fit in" and think like you and the herd, I'd just parrot everything you see in the media. I could care less what the "millions of fans" out there are thinking. I can think for myself, thanks very much.

lawnmowerman

Barry you just broke Babe Ruth's record, where are going to go? "Im going to Disney World!"

Yeh!!

julen23

steroids deteroirate your body, especially when you abuse them for a couple of years and are over 40 years old. i can't imagine the pain bonds must be going through playing these days? in a way, i kind of think the whole steroid cloud may of saved bonds' life, that guy could've had a heart attack on the field!

top 5 greatest players of all time, no doubt though.

Julen