Check out this ACG auction

sweetwilliet

I was perusing ebay, and came across a really good looking coin in an ACG holder. From the looks of it, it is appropriately graded and is a true DMPL. What do y'all think?
Ebay auction #8423531011

ar18

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Myqqy

Linkage....

If you're really interested in this, why are you broadcasting it here?

ar18

hah, beat ya

mrearlygold

<< <i>hah, beat ya >>

lasvegasteddy

UHHHHHHH my take is etching isn't same kolor on the rest of her to catch my eyes or bread

TWODOGS

If you copy the pic and then blow it up to 400% it sure looks like the whole cheek is heavily photoshopped.

sweetwilliet

I've copied the pic, but when I blow it up the details are too poor for me to see anything but a blur?

Connecticoin

The coin could have hairlines you cannot see which would BB the coin -- you just don't know with an ACG holder unless you see it in hand.

messydesk

No way DMPL.

TWODOGS

<< <i>I've copied the pic, but when I blow it up the details are too poor for me to see anything but a blur? >>

When you enlarge it, you should see the pixellation...all those little squares. Over the entire cheek it is just blurry, which tells me that someone probably worked that area with a cloning tool to either cover scratches or make it look more cameo.

sweetwilliet

Well, I guess that is why I've only been buying PCGS. I've been looking for that date, but I guess I'll pass on that one and wait for a PCGS pl/dmpl to appear on the bay or elsewhere.

DennisH

A ton of frost. I wonder if it's all real.

The mirrors don't look convincing to me as DMPL mirrors. They have a lot of cartwheel frost. This coin has a lot of visual pizazz, but I'm not even convinced it has PL mirrors.

I'll gladly step aside and let someone else buy this one.

TWODOGS

Probably a good idea. This statement by the seller sets off alarms:

*The grade of this coin is the subjective opinion of the grading company. If you are not confident in this grading company, please do not bid. We will not accept returns due to "improper" grading.

RWB

IMHO - the image suffers from compression artifacts (ie: too much image compression used to create the JEPG) - the block-ish looking things that vaguely resemble big pixels. This hides all meaningful detail, so almost nothing can be learned from the image. Maybe the sell will provide you with a less compressed (ie: highest quality) JEPG. Posting that would allow forum participants to provide more suggestions.

coinguy1

My best guess is that the coin has been artificially frosted.

ttxp

<< <i>My best guess is that the coin has been artificially frosted. >>



This is one I never considered, how is it done?

ebaytrader

<< <i>My best guess is that the coin has been artificially frosted. >>






Check out the stars and mottoes - not frosted. The fields are likely whizzed to enhance the contrast.

09sVDB

I'm no expert, but my first impression was that it didn't even look real! Buyer beware

morgannut2

The obverse devices have had fake frost added - no way it came from the mint that way.

Edited to add: According to Bob Campbell he's seen it done with a template covering the fields exposing Liberty. It can be as simple as spraying the silver color used to frost women's hair according to him.

Frankcoins

Appears to be fake frosting. Why do you see all the hits and scuffs in the field and none on the face?

lsica

From the cheek, picture blown up 4x

Put on your reading glasses, and dig that nice vertical retangular piece that looks A LOT like it was just plopped in the middle of that pic.

MAD4MORGANS

Just an observation...

I have a couple of ACG slabbed coins and it seems the rims get that brown-gold toning on the coins.

Is that from the chemical composition of the plastic that makes up the holder?

I don't particularly think that's attractive IMO.

morgannut2

My theory on the brown edge toning is that the coin doctors put it on to simulate album toning after working on a coin. I've seen Heritage coins sold original, then the same coin shows up a short time later dipped, etc with the edge color added. Maybe the ACG coins are "worked" stuff that got BB'd at the Majors?

MAD4MORGANS

<< <i>My theory on the brown edge toning is that the coin doctors put it on to simulate album toning after working on a coin. I've seen Heritage coins sold original, then the same coin shows up a short time later dipped, etc with the edge color added. Maybe the ACG coins are "worked" stuff that got BB'd at the Majors? >>





Interesting theory.

Mental note to myself...see how many ACG slabs has brown edge toning when cruising eBay.

coinguy1

<<I have a couple of ACG slabbed coins and it seems the rims get that brown-gold toning on the coins. >>


<< <i><< My theory on the brown edge toning is that the coin doctors put it on to simulate album toning after working on a coin. I've seen Heritage coins sold original, then the same coin shows up a short time later dipped, etc with the edge color added. Maybe the ACG coins are "worked" stuff that got BB'd at the Majors? >> >>

While that is a possibility, I have a simpler explanation. Older NGC holders used to cause many coins to tone in their holders in a similar fashion. NGC even consulted a chemist, who checked out the plastic, the grading label paper and ink, etc. To my knowledge they never discovered precisely what caused it, but it wasn't coin doctors.

braddick

<< <i>The obverse devices have had fake frost added - no way it came from the mint that way.

Edited to add: According to Bob Campbell he's seen it done with a template covering the fields exposing Liberty. It can be as simple as spraying the silver color used to frost women's hair according to him. >>

I've also seen the nic--a-date acid used to 'restore' dates on Buffalo nickels used with a model railroad brush to paint on the frost. Usually this is done on low end common Morgans as the results vary with skill and a coin is easily ruined and there is no going back if you paint outside of the lines, so to speak.

grip

<< <i>Appears to be fake frosting. Why do you see all the hits and scuffs in the field and none on the face? >>

pontiacinf

that pic was sooooooooo worked over its pathetic

good luck if you end up the unlucky owner

ABC123

No Return Policy---be very careful !

SamByrd

if the coin was legitimate it would not be in a less then bottom feeder slab, etched coins dont often get past the legitmate tpg's you can bet if it looked anything like the image it would be in a legitimate slab and bring a lot more then it will in the particular slab it is in.