ANOTHER SAINT photographer! Guess the grade and....
saintguru
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that blows "Tru View" out of the water.
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Superb photography...the image is probably more lovely than the coin in hand.
very nice pic! wish I could take them like that
myCCset
Picture is most excellent! Clear, in-focus, nice colors. Great size.
Tom
Great pics.
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Is this one of Phil's pics?
Obverse:
Pluses-
It is normaly difficult to show but the luster in the fields are captured very well.
Most of the details are captured perfectly.
Nit picky Minuses-
First I will say that I have not been able to take a picture this good and have seen few that come this close.
Now on to the nit pick; I always like to see the eyes of the person I am looking at. There is a bit of shadow there. The stars from 12'oclock to 2'oclock are a bit dark and lose detail. Overall the coin seems a little bit dark.
Reverse:
Pluses and minuses-
Other than being a little bit dark the reverse is dead on. All important details are highlighted and again the luster jumps out at you.
This was taken by mgoodm and I think it's as nice of a pic of a Saint that I have ever seen. The coin, which was posted before, is a very solid MS65.
GREAT JOB MARK!!
<< <i>Well
This was taken by mgoodm and I think it's as nice of a pic of a Saint that I have ever seen. The coin, which was posted before, is a very solid MS65.
GREAT JOB MARK!!
So does this mean you will send your whole collection to Mark to get new pics?
I shipped that one FEDEX uninsured.
<< <i>No.
I shipped that one FEDEX uninsured.
Brave, very brave. I have never shipped a coin that expensive any other way than registered mail. Most big dealers and auction houses seem to use Fed-ex and express mail also so I guess it can't be that bad.
Saints are tough coins to photograph.
The 13S is a somewhat dark coin anyway.
Great picture, a little dark in the 12 to 3 o'clock area on both sides. I wish I could do as well.
Now YOU field the nit-picky critiques.
<< <i>It does look a little dark, but that's easy to fix.
Saints are tough coins to photograph.
The 13S is a somewhat dark coin anyway. >>
I totally agree, but I think tha Indian Half Eagle would come close or surpass in the difficulty. Do you have any examples of Half Eagles to post? I would love to see them.
<< <i>And it's almost impossible to totally get rid of shadowy areas when shooting from straight on. you could add more lights but that would kill all of the contrast in the image. >>
I totally agree, but he asked for a critique and thats all I could find wrong. If those would have been dead on then that would have forced another shadow somewhere else.
In the end, no matter how you look at it, they are fantastic pics and I would dare anyone to do any better.
<< <i>The coin, which was posted before, is a very solid MS65. >>
More like an MS64 that hit the grader's desk right after a three martini lunch.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, NCNE
how are you're Cheecagoo white Sox now Jay bird?
I'll agree with 65, but barely. I dont see any large hits on the front or arm of Liberty that would keep the grade down, but the contact in the right obverse field is probably as severe as it can be and still qualify for 65. Take away a few and it'd still be 65.
As for the picture, I really have no complaints. The reverse looks a little flat on the right side, but that's probably just the nature of a 13-S Saint. I gotta get me one of those setups.
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<< <i>I totally agree, but I think tha Indian Half Eagle would come close or surpass in the difficulty. Do you have any examples of Half Eagles to post? I would love to see them. >>
If you're not in a hurry, send one around for a contest.
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The 1913-S is by far the worst condition mintage of the series. Almost all those (~1000) that were released went to Central America and stayed in bags for 50-60 years. When they came back and they were all baggy and fithy. Just look at the MS64' in Heritage archives. A few were kept here and this is one.
This is the nicest 65 I have ever seen, and even the pic does it no justice. This coin was owned by the biggest and best saint collector there is (he is anonymous) but when he bought the POP1 MS66 this one came to me. I already had a 65, but this one was about .4 better! It's as nice as you'll see for a MS65 13-S.
<< <i>messydesk...
The 1913-S is by far the worst condition mintage of the series. Almost all those (~1000) that were released went to Central America and stayed in bags for 50-60 years. When they came back and they were all baggy and fithy. >>
Thanks for the 13-S insight.
I took a look at the 66 in the Morse sale catalog, which doesn't mention the Central America connection at all
I went to the Heritage archives to look at the 64s, and they are dogs in comparison to yours.
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Seriously, I like the fact that you can pick up the stacking friction on the boobies and the knee. These areas are often washed out, and they are key. The color graduation on those high points is also excellent.
Not a bad image for a Brown Injun collector.
BTW, the "stacking" thing is really more myth than fact. Very few Saints made it into circulation so the common idea that they were stacked is exaggerated. The fact is, that the breast and knee are very high, and even in a mint bag they are vulnerable to flattening. Interesting thing about Saints...I'd guess that less than 5% of all the coins minted were actually circulated! They were mainly held as reserves by the Fed and used as payment for international trade. Europe did not want paper money, especially during/after WWI, and gold coins were far more practical than bullion since bullion must be reassayed every time it moves. That, plus the great melt of 1937 eliminated 95%? of all the coins that existed!
Trust me, this is as nice a 65 as there is. The fact that it came from the best collection in the world is testimony enough.
<< <i>Trust me, this is as nice a 65 as there is. The fact that it came from the best collection in the world is testimony enough. >>
Not slamming the coin and I don't know saints all that well but it looks like a 64 to me. Lots of chatter, many hits every where and it looks like there is a substantial scrape on the sun.
<< <i>Just look at the MS64' in Heritage archives. >>
And you should know that you can't grade coins by comparing them to other coins you see in holders.
The fact that 13-s's don't come nice doesn't mean they should be graded more loosely than other dates. If there aren't any gems then there aren't any gems period. It shouldn't influence the grade.
I've seen nicer 65's and who's collection it came out of doesn't matter when assessing a grade. Who's collection it came out of only tells you it is a tough coin to find in high grade and it's probably a top condition census piece.
Great Pic and a Great Coin!!
<< <i>65.
that blows "Tru View" out of the water. >>
The Quality of the PhotoGraph is Outstanding!
TC71
That pic is freaking awesome.
That pic is almost to the point where you can buy the coin with that pic. Nice coin too.