1909-S Penny

ajpec

I'm a novice at coin collecting, and selling. I was hoping too ask some experts here a couple of questions. Can someone tell me if the 1909 S is brown or whatever color they think and also the 1909 VDB. What grade are these coins. I also have a almost complete pennie colection in a In Dansco Hard Cover Album-Book 8100. The book is called "Lincoln cents including proof issues".There are three coins missing, very important ones I think 1909 -s VDB, 1914 D, 1922 PLAIN. Does anyone think I should sell the whole thing or one of this and one of that. I would really appreciate anyones help. John

eyoung429

First Off....Welcome to the forum!!!

secondly.....Cents start off generally as red then gradually over time and environmental changes, they go brown.

thirdly....this post is worthess without pics!!!!

ajpec

pics are helpfull. I just figured out how to do it. Ive never used message boards before. John

JustaRookie

Welcome aboard , I'm a newbie here myself as far as being a poster but have lurked for a couple of years. There are some great experts here and some sarcastic, vicious, and jokers ones, just kidding (had to say that before the sharks attacked....). I am no copper expert and the pics. are not the best but I would say the '09 S would go AG with the '09 VDB going G. Just my 2 cents worth

BlindedByEgo

Welcome to the forums!

The answer to your question is: depends. Do you want to collect circulated Lincolns?

rsdoug81

Welcome! The two lighter cents both appear to have a VDB on the bottom reverse. Does anyone else see it on the 09-S?

JustaRookie

It does appear that the VBD, however so faint and slight is on the back of the 1909S as rddoug81 has pointed out. Need better close up pictures to tell for sure.

rsdoug81

<< <i>It does appear that the VBD, however so faint and slight is on the back of the 1909S as DougRS81 has pointed out. Need better close up pictures to tell for sure. >>


Tough to tell. It would be exciting, though. We need close ups!

lkenefic

Welcome to the forums...



I dont see a "VDB" on the reverse side of the '09-S but if it was weakly struck it might not show up well on my monitor. Ball park grades... Without seeing the coin in hand, I'd probably grade the '09-S at G6 (might net grade down for corrosion?); and the '09-VDB at VG10/F12 (I think it's a weakly struck reverse which is why I don't see a whole lot of wheat lines)

Leo

66RB

Why wouldn't the OP tell us it's an 09-S VDB if he knows about the 09 VDB

I don't see a VDB on the reverse of the 09-S, sorry

rsdoug81

<< <i>Why wouldn't the OP tell us it's an 09-S VDB if he knows about the 09 VDB

I don't see a VDB on the reverse of the 09-S, sorry >>



I see your point. I didn't say the 09-S was a VDB. There does appear to be some mark (whether a hit or light induced illusion) on the reverse of the 09-S.

JustaRookie

66RB, mayber he didn't notice or is unable to see it. My 90X stereo microsope shows things I would never see under a 30X loupe and I have also noticed things about certain coins after photographing it that I didn't see when examing the coin. Maybe not a VDB on the 1909S but there is surely something there that is disturbing the field enough to wonder based on the pictures provided. It could also be the plastic album covering that is distorting the picture. Need raw uncovered close ups to say for sure.

66RB

You know, I've had the same thing happen to me.

I was getting a 1921 Lincoln ready to send off to a forum member to be sent in to get graded, so I took pics of the coin.
After viewing the pics I saw a scratch in the right obverse field that I had never seen before. I never did send the coin in,
but I sure was embarassed to have to tell the person who was going to send it in for me that I found a scratch I'd never
seen before after taking pics.


I also have seen an Anacs certified 1909-S VDB where the VDB was very very faint, in fact it was so faint that the dealer
who showed it to me couldn't help but brag about how he had bought it as a regular 09-S.

In the case of the coin in question here, I think we need much better pics to definitively say whether it has a VDB on the
reverse or not.

Rob

carl

To go way, way back to your questions the coins were not made brown but turned that way over time.
Many things you did not specify such as what are your plans for those coins, where did you acquire them if you are not a collector, are you trying to sell them because you need the money, How far dose the collection go as to dates ? Is this book from 09 to present and/or are there pages added? What are the conditions of the other coins? Is there a 55DD, 72DD, 95DD in the set? Note that many other coins in that book may well be worth many hundreds of dollars depending on the condition.

Connecticoin

<< <i>Welcome aboard , I'm a newbie here myself as far as being a poster but have lurked for a couple of years. There are some great experts here and some sarcastic, vicious, and jokers ones, just kidding (had to say that before the sharks attacked....). I am no copper expert and the pics. are not the best but I would say the '09 S would go AG with the '09 VDB going G. Just my 2 cents worth >>



Undergrading a tad.

The 09-S looks VG-10, and the 09 VDB looks VF-35 / XF-40.

JustaRookie

<< <i>

<< <i>Welcome aboard , I'm a newbie here myself as far as being a poster but have lurked for a couple of years. There are some great experts here and some sarcastic, vicious, and jokers ones, just kidding (had to say that before the sharks attacked....). I am no copper expert and the pics. are not the best but I would say the '09 S would go AG with the '09 VDB going G. Just my 2 cents worth >>



Undergrading a tad.

The 09-S looks VG-10, and the 09 VDB looks VF-35 / XF-40. >>



Maybe so but so hard to tell with that album film on it......need to see them naked......album film exagerates and distorts a lot of coins....like I said I am no copper expert......

ajpec

How can I get a better closeup of that coin? I tried but it comes out blurry.
John

ajpec

That would be exciting if there was a VDB on the back of the 009-s, How can I get a better pic of that coin without it getting blurry?

granddad

Welcome,

The 09-s appears to be a vdb, better pics would help. But don't sell it until you know for sure.


Have a Great Day!
Louis

ajpec

Thank you for replying to me. These were my father's coins. I wanted to sell on ebay but I also would like to sell them to someone who cares and knows their worth. I would like to somehow see if that is a VDB on th 09-S, but Im not sure how to do that. Im not sure if i should sell them singularly or not. I was just asking the experts here who know. I don't see any DD'S in the collection. The collection goes from 1909 to 1999 and he does have some 2000 coins as well. John

granddad

On the reverse (back) of the 09-s, look at the bottom, right next to the rim and between the wheat ears. Do you see a vdb there?


Have a Great Day!
Louis

ajpec

I think your right. I should find out for sure if it is or not. Thanks so much.
John

ajpec

It doesn't look like there is a VDB on it. Maybe its the plastic thats making that mark. Im not sure.
John

ajpec

I will say blown up there almost looks like a "B" there.

granddad

John,

It is obvious that your father loved and appreciated coins. It is very likely that a forum member lives reasonably close to you. If you could post the city that you live in, maybe a member could view and advise you as to the value of your fathers' collection.

Have a Great Day!
Louis

ajpec

Thank you for that advice. I live in Euclid, Ohio

granddad

John,

I am working on finding someone in your area to help you.

Have a Great Day!
Louis

ajpec

Thank you. I can't tell you how helpful everyones been, its made my apprehension about message boards totally unfounded.