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  • rsdoug81rsdoug81 Posts: 682 ✭✭
    A tear just ran down my cheek.
  • 1921obsession1921obsession Posts: 559 ✭
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    holy crow! nice coin! can't see it by the picture, but I can tell, by the way cents is spelled out, that this is a reeded edge! coin (the finest '36??) or is there a better one? image

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coins such as this [and the Pittman 1838 as well], make you realize that the Philadelphia Mint knew exactly how to make a proof in the 1830's ..... and casts a disparaging eye on many coins certified as such....
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  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭
    i saw this coin today when previewing the upcoming stack's auction. unbelievable!
    Nick
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Holy Moses, what a strike! It looks like a high-end proof to me. Clearly a reeded edge. Is that coin real? Is it the finest known?

    Tom
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Mmmm. Nice.
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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭


    << <i>I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder. >>



    I believe Stack's usually deals in raw coins.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder. >>



    I don't agree with this Mozin. I think that anyone in the market for this coin doesn't give a flying rats a$$ what a plastic company thinks--- you only buy a coin like this if you know what you are doing, and a plastic company's opinion means little with this type of coin.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Holy Moses, what a strike! It looks like a high-end proof to me. Clearly a reeded edge. Is that coin real? Is it the finest known?

    Tom[/q

    It's hard to get used to seeing a reeded-edge half that is well-struck. Wow!
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I think Good Ol' Tom will offer you $150 for it.
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  • slumlord98slumlord98 Posts: 1,180 ✭


    << <i>I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder. >>



    The marks wouldn't keep it out of a holder, only would keep it below gem status. Any 19th century proof graded below 65 can show some evidence of cleaning or mishandling, and 60-62 can be densely hairlined. I'd go with the 'Stacks don't need no stinkin TPG' line of thought.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    If that's how it looks in hand, I'd give it a thumbs down.
  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder. >>



    The marks wouldn't keep it out of a holder, only would keep it below gem status. Any 19th century proof graded below 65 can show some evidence of cleaning or mishandling, and 60-62 can be densely hairlined. I'd go with the 'Stacks don't need no stinkin TPG' line of thought. >>



    Bingo!
    Nick
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder. >>



    I don't agree with this Mozin. I think that anyone in the market for this coin doesn't give a flying rats a$$ what a plastic company thinks--- you only buy a coin like this if you know what you are doing, and a plastic company's opinion means little with this type of coin. >>


    I consulted Steve Herrman's latest AUCTION & MAIL BID PRICES for the 1836 RE Busties. Of the top 30 highest graded coins sold in grades AU53 and better, only two were sold raw. I stand by my original suggestion that the Stack's coin in this thread might well be a scratched & hairlined BB coin.image
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    it looks very nice to say the least.
    er,

    what is wrong with it to you? i noticed what you said.
    can you explain a bit more? maybe you do not like the
    "look" of the coin.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭


    << <i>it looks very nice to say the least.
    er,

    what is wrong with it to you? i noticed what you said.
    can you explain a bit more? maybe you do not like the
    "look" of the coin. >>



    First impression.

    I looked again, still don't like it. Looks like painted on. Hey, just me. People like it, it's ok with me. Even if I'm rich, I would not buy it.
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I don't get it. Did the scratches and hairlines keep this coin out of a TPG holder? Certainly such an expensive coin would bring more money in a holder. >>



    I don't agree with this Mozin. I think that anyone in the market for this coin doesn't give a flying rats a$$ what a plastic company thinks--- you only buy a coin like this if you know what you are doing, and a plastic company's opinion means little with this type of coin. >>


    I consulted Steve Herrman's latest AUCTION & MAIL BID PRICES for the 1836 RE Busties. Of the top 30 highest graded coins sold in grades AU53 and better, only two were sold raw. I stand by my original suggestion that the Stack's coin in this thread might well be a scratched & hairlined BB coin.image >>



    I would think that anyone spending serious dollars on this coin would want to see it first, or have someone they trust see it- not just look at a pic. And once it is seen, anyone in the market for this coin should be able to see what they are buying. Once seen, a coin like this should sell on its own merits. If the coin was going to be bought sight unseen (very very foolish), then they might want another opinion (like a TPG)
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭
    i saw the coin raw today. imo, this coin would have no problem holdering at any of the TPGs. Color is natural too IMO.
    Nick
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭


    << <i>I think Good Ol' Tom will offer you $150 for it. >>



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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭


    << <i>I would think that anyone spending serious dollars on this coin would want to see it first, or have someone they trust see it- not just look at a pic. >>


    image

    I'm in the ER corner on this one. Something just doesn't seem or look right to me on this coin.
  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭
    it's a proof. that in itself is unusual for the date! if you saw the coin in hand you would agree that it is a moose of a coin!
    Nick
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Nick, you saw the coin yourself. So, does it look like the pic?
  • ModernDollarNutModernDollarNut Posts: 886
    I am the last person to claim any expertise on this series but if it were an Ike, I would expect PCGS to BB it inspite of the stunning detail that screams "authentic" bust proof. The toning just doesn't seem right to me in color, pattern or lack of transparency (as judged by the photo). But, Oh what a pretty sight it is!

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The obverse of the coin is a dead ringer for the Pittman 1838 proof ... which was holdered PR66 at PCGS despite a thin scratch on the cheek.
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  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭
    the color is accurate to the picture. however, looking at the coin dead on, it is dark in appearance. the color is seen when held in a light and viewed at an angle. i have seen this kind of toning on other proofs and some business strikes.
    Nick
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭
    I don't think words can explain what I think.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's gorgeous, I like that well beyond my means allow for
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Raw is good at Stacks. Lots of buyers with lots of money, lots that know how to grade and lots that dont. In a good market, that spells big money at auction, that is why many dealers crack out tweener coins and let avarice kick in.

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  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭


    << <i>I think Good Ol' Tom will offer you $150 for it. >>



    he might offer me a little more. i was thinking $350 max
    Nick
  • MikeKingMikeKing Posts: 847
    you can buy AT coins in PCGS and NGC holders from any of the auction houses. Buy an AT coin not in a holder and likely it won't get holdered. Buy an NT coin without a holder and there is always a chance it will be body bagged as AT. Buy a raw coin at Stacks and even if you know what you're doing, there's a risk it won't be holdered for whatever reason, unless of course, this is no matter to you. For some, it doesn't matter.

  • MikeKingMikeKing Posts: 847
    I would also like to add that Stack's has made errors in determining what is proof or not proof (I am not referring to this particular coin) and they have even made errors on certain coins where they said that the 'lintmark' was a pedigree marker when indeed the same exact 'lintmark' could be seen on all the coins minted with that particular die. Personally, unless I had an eyepiece, examined the coin myself, and knew exactly what I was doing, I wouldn't purchase anything from Stacks.

  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭

    Somebody should dip that thing. image
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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414 ✭



    << <i>Coins such as this [and the Pittman 1838 as well], make you realize that the Philadelphia Mint knew exactly how to make a proof in the 1830's ..... and casts a disparaging eye on many coins certified as such.... >>



    That's what I was thinking.




    That coin is a monster and would have no problem getting into a 3rd party holder.

    The whole Northern Bay Collection is a fresh old time collection. The fact that it's raw will not hold down the prices.

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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭


    MikeKing said,

    "you can buy AT coins in PCGS and NGC holders from any of the auction houses. Buy an AT coin not in a holder and likely it won't get holdered. Buy an NT coin without a holder and there is always a chance it will be body bagged as AT. Buy a raw coin at Stacks and even if you know what you're doing, there's a risk it won't be holdered for whatever reason, unless of course, this is no matter to you. For some, it doesn't matter.

    I would also like to add that Stack's has made errors in determining what is proof or not proof (I am not referring to this particular coin) and they have even made errors on certain coins where they said that the 'lintmark' was a pedigree marker when indeed the same exact 'lintmark' could be seen on all the coins minted with that particular die. Personally, unless I had an eyepiece, examined the coin myself, and knew exactly what I was doing, I wouldn't purchase anything from Stacks."

    Thank you Mike for expressing my thoughts on this Stacks' issue.image
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • chabot510chabot510 Posts: 1,291 ✭
    this is without a doubt a proof!
    Nick
  • stiffystiffy Posts: 407
    That's nice - if you like bust halves....





















    I love it!

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