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Do you think this coin grades MS66?

leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • millenniummillennium Posts: 3,305
    Sure looks questionable, from the pic. But I have bought coins from David and the pics always look worse than the coin....Sure is a bad nick in Jeff's face though...image
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭
    Not with that hit on the cheekbone. Looks more like a 63FS.

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not with that hit on the cheekbone. Looks more like a 63FS. >>



    That's what I was thinking!

    Leo

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    ha, that is a 66?

    me think that is a mechanical error.
    the slip of paper was meant for a different coin.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>me think that is a mechanical error. >>


    That's what I was thinking. I verified the cert # and it checked out okay, but PCGS can't be THIS far off. Must be a mistake of some sort.



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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ha, that is a 66?

    me think that is a mechanical error.
    the slip of paper was meant for a different coin. >>



    Makes sense to me! Anyone here have close ties to John Lawrence? Did I get the name right?

    Leo

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a pretty bad hit on the steps also.............
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    a couple of dollar coin in a $1500++ piece of plastic
  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭✭
    You're buying plastic with this one!
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ha, that is a 66?

    me think that is a mechanical error.
    the slip of paper was meant for a different coin. >>



    Me thinks that there's a pretty nice coin out there in a 63FS or 64FS holder.

    Unless the owner is capitalizing on the mistake in grading and sent back the other for a regrade! image

    Leo

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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>a couple of dollar coin in a $1500++ piece of plastic >>



    I totally agree. The cheek looks gashed, fcol!

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  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    PCGS graded it, got to be so, right?image
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You're buying plastic with this one! >>



    If John L doesn't pull this coin, perhaps PCGS can block the slab number from entering a registry set!

    Yeah!!, like that's going to happen! image

    Leo

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are a couple of nice coins in the nickel department but if I mention them here.....is that spamming? image

    Leo

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  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Reserve has not been met. Should have been at $1.image
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS graded it, got to be so, right?image >>



    If it was in NGC or ANACS plastic it could be a screw up, but come on now----its in PCGS plastic..
    Now lets just move along folks---nothing to see here...


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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>PCGS graded it, got to be so, right?image >>



    If it was in NGC or ANACS plastic it could be a screw up, but come on now----its in PCGS plastic..
    Now lets just move along folks---nothing to see here...


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    Leo

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  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>ha, that is a 66?

    me think that is a mechanical error.
    the slip of paper was meant for a different coin. >>



    Makes sense to me! Anyone here have close ties to John Lawrence? Did I get the name right?

    Leo >>



    I believe it John Feigenbaum.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reserve has not been met. Should have been at $1.

    Last night I was interested in one coin, it had no bids and was at $30. Today it jumped to $110 with one bid and the reserve was not met! image

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>ha, that is a 66?

    me think that is a mechanical error.
    the slip of paper was meant for a different coin. >>



    Makes sense to me! Anyone here have close ties to John Lawrence? Did I get the name right?

    Leo >>



    I believe it John Feigenbaum. >>



    Yeah, that's it! But I'm not calling this in..........I already have enough folks here hating my guts! image

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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    Not with that hit on the cheekbone. Looks more like a 63FS.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a good strike from a new die. While it's overgraded it isn't overgraded that much.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭
    Does anyone agree that a coin with a milk spot should not grade over MS64? There is one on the reverse.
  • brccoinsbrccoins Posts: 302 ✭
    Doesn't look that bad to me. I say MS65.
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  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Those who say it doesn't look too bad, did you click on and look at the enlarged pic?
  • solidsolid Posts: 2,975
    Because of the cheek, I don't like the look of it as a 66 - but, could those
    be planchet flaws and not hits? And if so, should planchet flaws count
    against a coin as much as post-strike marks?

    Ken
  • JSssonJSsson Posts: 891 ✭
    There is one big scratch on the obverse, so I don't agree with the grade. I also understand that David Lawrence Rare Coins is a very ethical dealer and if you don't like the coin then I'm sure they would honor a return.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Is it my imagination or did the hit on the steps come from a coin that had a reeded edge?

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NO!
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has everyone sent in their letters of disapproval to DLRC?

    Leo

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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭
    They are clearly planchet marks made before strike, but they detract from the eye appeal.
    I can't see this being worth much more than $100 or so.
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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it makes FS either.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,176 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Those who say it doesn't look too bad, did you click on and look at the enlarged pic? >>

    That picture is how many times larger than a real nickel? Sure, the coin may be overgraded, but flaws are hugely exaggerated in pics that size.



    << <i>I don't think it makes FS either. >>

    Looks like a lighting issue to me--very easy to put a shadow there.

    The biggest problem I see here is that DLRC has never found out about new photographic technology--therefore they have large pictures that show flaws, but nothing good. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure the coin looks better in hand, even if it's not a 66... I'll be it has screaming lustre and the marks aren't as bad as they seem.
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  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374 ✭
    It sure looks like one of those after lunch friday specials...............image..............Not Kidding.........
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    The biggest problem I see here is that DLRC has never found out about new photographic technology--therefore they have large pictures that show flaws, but nothing good. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure the coin looks better in hand, even if it's not a 66... I'll be it has screaming lustre and the marks aren't as bad as they seem. >>



    I agree with most of what Jeremy said above. The DL picture looks like a flatbed scan to me, and I've scanned enough nickels in PCGS holders to vouch that there's no way to judge the luster in the resulting picture. That said, even with screaming luster I wouldn't grade that coin higher than 65FS based on the cheek. Even if those marks were on the planchet before the strike, they are too distracting for a 66.

    BTW, I bet I know how the coin wound up in that holder. PCGS is notorious for giving a one-point bump to coins which just miss a designation like DCAM or FS. For example, I had a really nice 1964 nickel with strong steps that I graded MS65FS come back in a 66 no steps holder - the coin was still technically a 65 but it got the one-point bump instead of the designation for the strong steps. I'd bet the mortgage payment that the coin in this thread came back the first time it was submitted as a MS66 without the FS designation, meaning the graders thought it was a 65 that just missed FS. If it was then sent in for a designation review, all PCGS would do is stick the FS on the assigned grade, as opposed to regrading it as a 65FS.


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  • bhartman35bhartman35 Posts: 1,398
    The picture is enlarged, but I don't think you'd have any trouble seeing those hits under normal magnification, or even with the naked eye. Jefferson looks like he was on the losing end in a (possibly serated) knife fight. IMHO, I've gotten nickels that have looked better than that out of my change. The full steps make it worth more than pocket change, probably, but not 66 money.

    Edited to add: How does one tell the difference between pre-strike and post-strike damage? I don't think it matters in this case -- a scratch is a scratch -- but it would be nice to know.
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  • DjordDjord Posts: 457
    64FS at best
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Time to throw another bone into this thread.

    Here's a little of what I sent and what they said in the following to DLRC this morning.

    Hi
    I've been following the above auction on the 1962 MS66FS Jeffferson nickel. And I'm questioning the quality of this coin. From the provided picture, the obverse appears too marked up with eye distracting nicks and cuts to warrant a MS66 grade. Many others at the following link agree the coin is grossly overgraded.
    (blah, blah, blah)
    For the integrity of the coin hobby and the Jefferson nickel series, this coin should not be sold, be removed from the auction and downgraded. Please re-examine the coin and possibly reconsider the sale of this coin.

    Thank you for your time.

    Kindest Regard, (blah, blah, blah)

    And they responded by saying;
    I have pulled the coin and I would certainly agree that PCGS should probably review this one again.
    I will make sure the coin does not cycle back onto our website tomorrow and will work to get it back to PCGS this week.
    We do pride ourselves in offering great quality coins at fair market prices and always offer a 10-day return privilege on all items purchased both off of our website or from an auction.

    Thanks for pointing this one out to us!

    Regards,

    Jason

    He should just crack it out and send the insert in to lower the pops. The coin is really not worth the time and money. By the way, the pops are likely half of the 19/0 PCGS shows for this coin. And half of those coins actually grade MS66. Without an early die state strike, this date should never grade higher than MS65.

    Leo

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  • eyoreeyore Posts: 257
    no
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And here are 4 1962's that I own including a MS66 in the following link.
    Lookie here!
    And I believe Frank Corso has a pretty nice example pictured with his registry set.

    Leo

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And here are 4 1962's that I own including a MS66 in the following link.
    Lookie here!
    And I believe Frank Corso has a pretty nice example pictured with his registry set.

    Leo >>



    Now there are some nice FS Jeffs leothlyon. The coin in the initial post was not a 66 not was it a FS, in fact it would be a pisspoor 64 nonFS.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"

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