Is there anyway to verify this seller's claim that he submitted this to PCGS?

Boom

Is there a way to verify this seller's claim

that he submitted this to PCGS?

LindeDad

Yes ask him to add a picture of the body bag to the auction. It has a PCGS lable.

50cents

It will still have a # if it was BB.

KoinDawg

I think the seller is a member of this forum. Also check his feedback score. I think his story is very believable and the fact he's being honest about the coin should make you feel good about the auction.

jayboxx

The bodybag could be to another trade dollar, so even that wouldn't prove anything

Bochiman

The part about "I sent it to PCGS about 2 weeks ago" but it is already up on the auction means he sent it, it got entered into the system, rejected and back to him in 2 weeks?
Since when is PCGS that efficient? Not a $100+ grading fee coin.....

Seller could give the PCGS submission # as well to show that something was submitted and returned as a no grade, right?

Boom

He seems friendly enough and forthright. This is not intended as a sleight against him in any fashion (member or not).

There are so many fakes out there that one cannot be too careful. BTW, I DID ask if he had the Bodybag and if he could tell me how much it weighs. I just logged in and he has not had a chance to reply yet.

Whoever he or she may be, they have been around for quite some time and DO have otherwise good feedback.

Yeah, the BB thing really wouldn't prove anything because like the other member just stated, it could be for another coin completely.

There are a couple trade dollar experts here that have shown me a thing or two. TDN, for one.

If it IS legit I'd like to bid. Another saving grace is that he does have a return privilege in addition to good feedback.

coindeuce

BEWARE!! You should know that just because the eBay seller claims the coin no-graded because of cleaning does NOT guarantee authenticity. I had a similar experience with an 1878-CC that I sent to PCGS. It was returned NO GRADE as having been cleaned, with a notation on the BB label of the weight determination. Since the noted weight was within tolerance, I sent it to another TPG, which offers to holder net grade coins, assuming that the coin was genuine. Alas, the coin was returned in a BB from the 2nd TPG, which actually took the time to examine the coin closely enough to observe very obscure markers that qualified it as a very high quality counterfeit. Moral of the story: PCGS will limit their examination of even key rare dates when the preliminary exam indicates cleaning!!

Boom

I suppose the only way to be sure is if #1- The seller states the coin's weight and it is verifiable with a return option or #2- Just give up and buy one that's already graded and certified.

AZLARRY

I hate to buy raw on ebay, but his feedback record and return policy are excellent.

Boom

I agree. He does have a good feedback record.

As for raw, I sell raw and certified and offer a money back guarantee.

I'm not listing till tomorrow though .... taking a much needed break.

jdimmick

It looks genuine, but I am not a trade $ expert by any strecth of the imagination, but IMO

a cleaned Au-53 at best??

291fifth

No, it can't be verified if the coin is raw. Coin looks AU to me.

TomB

Not unless he paid for and received the imaging service for the coin. A bag with associated tag means nothing.

Hyperion

if there was a situation where a chance would be taken on a raw trade dollar, this seems to be it esp with the return policy...

leothelyon

Why didn't PCGS at least authenticate the coin? Of course, they have their following policy;

Problem-Free Coins

PCGS has a policy prohibiting the encapsulation of coins with problems such as: artificial toning, excessive cleaning, environmental damage, PVC damage, major scratches, or planchet flaws. (Note: PCGS does not refund grading fees on coins which must be rejected, since the coin must be examined to determine its status.)

So if they can't holder it then they can not authenticate such coins.

So what sense does it make to include the word, "authenticity" in their grade guarantee titled,
"PCGS Guarantee of Grade & Authenticity" when one falls under the other.

One must assume that when they BB a coin for any reason stated above other than for the reason of counterfeit than the coin must be authentic. Does this make sense? The problem within the show of proof that the coin is authentic weighs in the reasoning they give for BB'ing the coin. In other words, if they didn't state the coin was a fake then it must be authentic.

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong...and I probably missed something ...just throwing out my 2 cents here.

Leo

Russ

Read coindeuce's post. He is absolutely correct. The fact that PCGS bodybagged it for "cleaning" does not mean it is authentic. They bodybag for the first thing they see, and go no further. The ONLY way I'd ever buy a raw Trade Dollar is in person, and then only if I had TDN or Keoj in-tow.

Russ, NCNE

Boom

He emailed me and gave me a PCGS certification # which I have yet to check. This guy sure seems to be on the up and up. He is very amicable and does have a good return policy.

I'll check the # he gave me and let you know what comes back.

BlindedByEgo

In general, I would discourage anyone from buying an uncertified trade dollar on Ebay. In this case, while the sellers return policy is good and we are giving him a potential pass as a forum member, keep in mind this:

His original auction neither mentioned the body bagging, the submission to PCGS nor the suspected cleaning. IMO, cleaning is pretty darned obvious on a silver coin and PCGS will still holder "market acceptable" cleaned coins. His original claim is that he is selling an uncirculated trade dollar, "guessing" the grade at MS63.

I would probably bid no more than cleaned XF money on the coin, and would be very prepared to request a refund.

Boom

Here are the results

Date, mintmark: 1877-S
Denomination: T$1
Variety: N/A
Pedigree:
Country: USA
Grade: Altered Surfaces

Looks like he is legit. He added the extra info after I first grilled him about it's authenticity.

Boom

Hi Craig.

Thanx for your input. It iS appreciated.

leothelyon

Of course you don't want to end up with a fake coin. Making an assumption of authenticity on a $50 is really not a big risk. As the price and rarity rises for other coins, then there's more to be concerned about.
I bought a similar coin years ago for $60, it looked good enough for me so I bought it.

How could you get a one year guarantee of authenticity by a ANA member? How does that work?

Leo

Boom

<< <i>How could you get a one year guarantee of authenticity by a ANA member? How does that work? >>



Works BIGTIME

headsplitter2

Nice coin he seems like a fair person, check out his "me" on ebay.
Even if it is a bogus coin it is a very good forgery and not that spendy.
I cut this from his "me" page ~~ (I always try to be as honest as I can with my listings. Sometimes I do not know for sure about certain things, but we usually mention that fact and ask for help in getting the correct name/pattern..etc.. Please, bid with confidence. Even if you end keeping or not keeping the item, we give 100% refunds including return shipping, with no question asked. You will not find a better return policy. Thanks for reading about me. Aaron Cox )

leothelyon

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<< <i>How could you get a one year guarantee of authenticity by a ANA member? How does that work? >>



Works BIGTIME >>






Leo

leothelyon

<< <i>Nice coin he seems like a fair person, check out his "me" on ebay.
Even if it is a bogus coin it is a very good forgery and not that spendy.
I cut this from his "me" page ~~ (I always try to be as honest as I can with my listings. Sometimes I do not know for sure about certain things, but we usually mention that fact and ask for help in getting the correct name/pattern..etc.. Please, bid with confidence. Even if you end keeping or not keeping the item, we give 100% refunds including return shipping, with no question asked. You will not find a better return policy. Thanks for reading about me. Aaron Cox ) >>



Yes, it sounds a whole lot better than some seller's "Not an approvel sale"!

Leo

morgannut2

The dollar specialist on these boards is John Coxe-not the seller Aaron Cox. My question is why not just get another nice common ANACS trade dollar in low MS? It's not like this ones a tougher CC issue or something.

wjd283

If it's a fake,it's a good one.



The fact that the seller has over 4600 feedbacks with only 2 negs might make me feel a little bit warm and fuzzy about it.

Thenewguy

Maybe what PCGS needs to do is come up with a different type of sonic sealed holder for BB'ed but authentic coins. Since you paid for a holder in your grading fee and then didn't get a holder doesn't that mean you are paying for something you dont get? Just a thought but since i have never sent a coin in for grading I dont really know how it works.