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BU 1926-D $20 missing

JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
The above went missing on 4/26 in Superior, CO. Please let me know if one shows up around you. Many thanx.
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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭✭
    Any more details???

    Slabbed or raw, grade, noticable markings???
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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    It is an unencapsulated coin that I grade probably around 62 a few bag marks. I am almost certain that I will be able to identify it.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256
    first the 1857-S $20 now this. Quit dozing off.
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    This one was sent via registered mail and was delivered to a UPS mail store.

    The customer has not received it.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • TarmacTarmac Posts: 394
    Isn't it amazing how so many coins go missing?

    I used to send nieces/nephews a $20 bill in birthday card and after 2 letters which were never delivered I stopped and sent checks. How do theives know which which envelopes to open?!!

    If your package was UPS Mail Store signed then they should be responsible. Don't have to look too far for the thief!
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i was often bothered by the fact dealers would send me
    coins with their company name prominently labeled.

    nothing like "joe's rare coins" and a boxy shape to say steal me.
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    for those that missed it last week.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317


    << <i>This one was sent via registered mail and was delivered to a UPS mail store.

    The customer has not received it. >>



    I think I would be heavily questioning the folks at the UPS mail store.
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  • << This one was sent via registered mail and was delivered to a UPS mail store.

    Smoeone had to sign for it. Registered mail doesn't disappear often.
    USPS Insurance will pay for it anyway.
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    The PO delivered it, as addressed, and I do not believe that they will pay for it.

    The coin went missing after it was signed for by the UPS store.

    BTW, I have never lost a registered package and do not consider this a loss by the PO.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • The coin went missing after it was signed for by the UPS store.

    Then the person that signed for it is who I would hold responsible.
    It is US mail, the local Postal Inspector's office would be on this already.

    The signer is liable, IMHO.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The PO delivered it, as addressed, and I do not believe that they will pay for it.

    The coin went missing after it was signed for by the UPS store. >>

    I would think that whoever signed for it needs to provide evidence that they sent it off somewhere else (and begin a new round of detective work) or else pay for the loss of the coin.
  • Just my humble opion ....

    You did everything right ... Sent Registered mail ... it was delivered

    It was signed for ... You should have the persons signature at the UPS store ...

    I think your responsibility ended there ...

    By signing for the coin the UPS store took the resposibility to deliver the package.

    this should have been resolved by now as I believe who ever you sold it to should have been down to the UPS store and not leave until the person who signed for it and the manager of the store found it ... I believe the UPS store, or the signee, should be liable.

    I wouldn't pay or reimbuse the buyer one cent ...

    Should I send a buyer of a coin or whatever is purchased to a second tier PO box, especially Registered Mail, my resposiblity ends when it is signed for ... The buyer could not be so cheap and just get a regular PO box or have it sent to his home. Either way the USPS would be in control of the package until signed for by the recipient only.
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    fyi, the coin was sent on approval and has not been paid for yet.

    I hope that it turns up, believe me.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    <<this should have been resolved by now as I believe who ever you sold it to should have been down to the UPS store and not leave until the person who signed for it and the manager of the store found it ... I believe the UPS store, or the signee, should be liable..

    ....The buyer could not be so cheap and just get a regular PO box or have it sent to his home. >>

    It could/would be quite impractical for the intended recipient to "have been down to the UPS store and not leave until the person who signed for it and the manager of the store found it". Also, it is unfair to refer to the customer as "cheap", since you don't know his reason(s) for wanting the package delivered there. It very well might have been out of privacy and/or safety (his, not the coin's) concerns.

    This presents an interesting dilemma/issue. Neither the sender, the PO, nor the intended recipient appear to be at fault. I wonder what type of insurance coverage, if any, the store, itself, has for such situations/losses/? And, whether their customers have to sign any type of waiver/release regarding packages that are delivered there?

    Julian, best of luck to you.
  • I believe ziggy 29 is correct. The UPS store is liable for your loss. Press on !
  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭✭
    We use a UPS store for a mail drop. The owner has shown me their insurance certificate for up to $100k for losses of items sustained while in their possession. The UPS store should either cough up the coin or the money for it -- no question.

    Relax Julian; you will be fine on this.
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    I believe the customer also has liability here (to the dealer). The UPS Store is serving as the recipient's agent. Once the agent signs for the package it may be the same as the customer signing. The customer is liable, IMO to the sender and the agent is liable to the customer (liability may be modified by the terms of the rental agreement).

    If I were the recipient, I would assume liability to the dealer, and then it would be my problem to seek redress from the UPS Store.

    Sorry about your problems with this coin.
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536


    << <i> used to send nieces/nephews a $20 bill in birthday card and after 2 letters which were never delivered I stopped and sent checks. How do theives know which which envelopes to open?!! >>


    The envelopes of birthday cards tend to be rather distinctive and MANY people send money in birthday cards.

    How can they tell if the card has a check or cash in it? I can think of two ways, neither of which is practical.

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