<< <i>I've visited the Hunley, saw the artifacts, the coin, and know of it's history. I think it's an important U.S. Historical item as well as one of the most important pieces of maritime history even though it's not very widely recognized. However funding should be farmed out and not just footed by the South Carolina taxpayer. >>
As I sit here in the Chicago burbs snacking on an imported Goo Goo Cluster, I must note that this is an interesting coin, interesting thread. Whether the coin eventually brings $100,000 or $5,000,000 at auction will depend on how it's promoted. It left to the SC (or any, for that matter) gummint, you can bank on it being at the low end of the scale. Best bet would be to have QDB adopt a nom de plume starting with "Colonel" and write book and a History Channel show about it.
Is the $100M paid by SC taxpayers going to waste? I have no doubt that some of it definitely is, since there is a cost of bureaucracy involved in any gummint project. It's up to the SC voters to determine if restoring this monument to the past is worth their money, and they're probably best at determining what revenue it will bring them. The article is written caricaturizing the SC state senator as a Civil War re-enactor with no sense of reality, plundering the state coffers to pursue his fantasy world. It's almost as if the author of the article thinks that this project is an evil waste of money on an insignificant piece of scrap iron and that it is their duty as a practitioner of their noble profession to project their view of reality on the reader.
<< <i>While historic you have to ask is it worth $100 MILLION to salvage something few know about and even fewer care?
Think of all the flack jackets it could buy for soldiers in Iraq, how many immunizations it could pay for, how many prenatal or breast/prostate cancer screenings it could pay for.
Funny how people waste money when it isn't theirs to spend? >>
With all due respect;
While of course you are correct in your statement, the same logic was used in closing the National Coin Collection in Washington DC. While millions of people could care less about the history and beauty of our coinage, to some, it is a national treasure that should remain in the public view. The Hunley also is a national treasure. The fact that few people care should not be the determining factor. Should we now consider stopping the restoration of the battle flag that flew over Fort McHenry simply because most people could care less to see it?
While it may not be the main focus of most Americans, it is none the less a national treasure.
Now for the millions wasted, I would farther rather see millions wasted restoring a pure link to American history, than the billions that we send in (loans) to countries who could not care less about America. >>
I agree completely only without the due respect. AND not only care less about America, but try to distroy us at the same time.
However, maybe we should all stop this kind of waste so there is more money for our govenment employees to go on more vacations, higher salaries, bigger cars, less work, bigger houses, etc., etc., etc.
Every historic artifact has to face the crucible of total apathy. The best example I can think of was Thomas Jefferson and Monticello. Monticello was a PIT before folks woke up and restored the thing. However, in the specifocs of this thread, it is absolutely essential that this be saved at even the absurdly wasteful cost provided. WHY? Because, it is american history....
<< <i>Thanks for the Turtle link! That was interesting. At least I knew it was the 1st submarine to do something. SINK! >>
Uh, no the Turtle did not sink. (In the Wikpedia article when it says "the ship was lost" they are not saying the Turtle sank, they mean the Turtle was unable to relocate the ship it was attacking.) The Hunley did sink, more than once.
<< <i>Aiyeeee! Yew better start a-runnin....BOY! Yew cain't git away. They got them thar NASCAR cars ta chase ya down. >>
Don't have to worry too much about NASCAR. If they ever start getting close, just turn right.
<< <i>Just keep in mind more Yankees died in the Civil War than Confederates. >>
Not too surprising. If you start with a much larger group and have the same death rate in both you're going to have more total deaths in the large group than in the small group.
Michigan you are a good sport. What you need is some boiled peanuts, some shrimp and grits, some South Carolina sunshine and 40 acres and a mule. With all that you would change sides.
<< <i>The value of the coin is in its historical association. While the Hunley is interesting to civil war buffs it is somewhat obscure except to civil war specialists. I doubt it would be worth a seven figure price, I think you would have to do some comparisons with what other civil war items that can be documented to certain people, places etc. to get an idea of what it might be worth. >>
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<< <i>I've visited the Hunley, saw the artifacts, the coin, and know of it's history. I think it's an important U.S. Historical item as well as one of the most important pieces of maritime
history even though it's not very widely recognized. However funding should be farmed out and not just footed by the South Carolina taxpayer. >>
nearly 4 million visitors a year! Make the tourists pay!
Is the $100M paid by SC taxpayers going to waste? I have no doubt that some of it definitely is, since there is a cost of bureaucracy involved in any gummint project. It's up to the SC voters to determine if restoring this monument to the past is worth their money, and they're probably best at determining what revenue it will bring them. The article is written caricaturizing the SC state senator as a Civil War re-enactor with no sense of reality, plundering the state coffers to pursue his fantasy world. It's almost as if the author of the article thinks that this project is an evil waste of money on an insignificant piece of scrap iron and that it is their duty as a practitioner of their noble profession to project their view of reality on the reader.
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<< <i>While historic you have to ask is it worth $100 MILLION to salvage something few know about and even fewer care?
Think of all the flack jackets it could buy for soldiers in Iraq, how many immunizations it could pay for, how many prenatal or breast/prostate cancer screenings it could pay for.
Funny how people waste money when it isn't theirs to spend? >>
With all due respect;
While of course you are correct in your statement, the same logic was used in closing the National Coin Collection in Washington DC. While millions of people could care less about the history and beauty of our coinage, to some, it is a national treasure that should remain in the public view.
The Hunley also is a national treasure. The fact that few people care should not be the determining factor. Should we now consider stopping the restoration of the battle flag that flew over Fort McHenry simply because most people could care less to see it?
While it may not be the main focus of most Americans, it is none the less a national treasure.
Now for the millions wasted, I would farther rather see millions wasted restoring a pure link to American history, than the billions that we send in (loans) to countries who could not care less about America. >>
I agree completely only without the due respect.
AND not only care less about America, but try to distroy us at the same time.
However, maybe we should all stop this kind of waste so there is more money for our govenment employees to go on more vacations, higher salaries, bigger cars, less work, bigger houses, etc., etc., etc.
<< <i>Thanks for the Turtle link! That was interesting. At least I knew it was the 1st submarine to do something. SINK! >>
Uh, no the Turtle did not sink. (In the Wikpedia article when it says "the ship was lost" they are not saying the Turtle sank, they mean the Turtle was unable to relocate the ship it was attacking.) The Hunley did sink, more than once.
<< <i>Aiyeeee! Yew better start a-runnin....BOY! Yew cain't git away. They got them thar NASCAR cars ta chase ya down. >>
Don't have to worry too much about NASCAR. If they ever start getting close, just turn right.
<< <i>Just keep in mind more Yankees died in the Civil War than Confederates. >>
Not too surprising. If you start with a much larger group and have the same death rate in both you're going to have more total deaths in the large group than in the small group.
<< <i>The value of the coin is in its historical association. While the Hunley is interesting to civil war buffs it is somewhat
obscure except to civil war specialists. I doubt it would be worth a seven figure price, I think you would have to do some
comparisons with what other civil war items that can be documented to certain people, places etc. to get an idea
of what it might be worth. >>
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As I pointed out on page one--the Hunley was important as the first successful submarine in warfare. It's important to world military historians--not obscure Cival War specialists. The coin on the other hand has value bases on it' Civil War history, and that could either help or hurt if it ever were to be auctioned.
<< <i>I can see the Hunley coin being worth $8-$10 million...face value in Confederate currency!!! >>
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Guess you don't collect currency- Most CSA currency is worth more than face value!
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If those Rebs come around here they will get a lickin from this Yankee.
Please confine your sexual innuendos to the open forum.
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If those Rebs come around here they will get a lickin from this Yankee.
Please confine your sexual innuendos to the open forum.
Please keep your mind out of the gutter and there would be no problems.