Guess the VAM? CONDITION?

BobbyDees

I thought this was a VAM 23A, nice full IN with an E and M on reverse! Some disagree. Any thoughts?! If photo dosn't appear It is only beause I am new at this thing! I will be happy to email jpegs.
BobbyDees

Coxe

The image isn't the best for an attribution. It sort of looked like it but the date appears wring. The 23A has a slanted date whereas yours is a far date. If it is not a 23A, anyway, and you have a full In clash, your coin may be a new R-7 rarity.

Wolf359

Yeah, I've seen those before and have one in my collection. It's not 23A, but does stop the heart at
first glance. Either VAM 7B or 9A in 1889. Nice strong N clash, however I believe on 23A
the IN is actually RAISED on the die.

BobbyDees

I have some wonderful photos but file is too large to post
How can I reduce the file size for uploading?

Coxe

<< <i>Yeah, I've seen those before and have one in my collection. It's not 23A, but does stop the heart at
first glance. Either VAM 7B or 9A in 1889. Nice strong N clash, however I believe on 23A
the IN is actually RAISED on the die. >>



I am certain it is not the 7B as the dies are rotated on that and the wing clash is then under the chin and not out of the neck. I don't know the 9A but the date position isn't the VAM-9, I think.

MAD4MORGANS

<< <i>I have some wonderful photos but file is too large to post
How can I reduce the file size for uploading? >>



Just go to photobucket.com and get a free account. Then you can post bigger photos and it's easy.

BobbyDees

Text Iregisterd at Photobucket and this is the result Thanks!

Wolf359

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<< <i>Yeah, I've seen those before and have one in my collection. It's not 23A, but does stop the heart at
first glance. Either VAM 7B or 9A in 1889. Nice strong N clash, however I believe on 23A
the IN is actually RAISED on the die. >>



I am certain it is not the 7B as the dies are rotated on that and the wing clash is then under the chin and not out of the neck. I don't know the 9A but the date position isn't the VAM-9, I think. >>



I just pulled my 1889 to see what I have. Leroy called it 7B, but it isn't rotated. Darn it

Wolf359

Now, what does BobbyDees have? I'm not sure, but it isn't 23A.

Here's 23A:

Coxe

It is possible that his clashes are just slightly south of the 23A but with the coin tipped and out of focus, it's a guessing thing. Certainly, it could be a 23A. Not every strike will be full. It doesn't appear to be a 7B. I checked the '92-'03 supplement photos and the wing clash is shown from the rear of the jaw and not from the neck, indicating a small die rotation. If it is not a 23A, it mst be a new one.

Wolf359

The 'n' appears to be separated from the neck as well.

Wolf359

<< <i>It is possible that his clashes are just slightly south of the 23A but with the coin tipped and out of focus, it's a guessing thing. Certainly, it could be a 23A. Not every strike will be full. It doesn't appear to be a 7B. I checked the '92-'03 supplement photos and the wing clash is shown from the rear of the jaw and not from the neck, indicating a small die rotation. If it is not a 23A, it mst be a new one. >>



I agree it doesn't look like my 7B.

Coxe

<< <i>The 'n' appears to be separated from the neck as well. >>



My thought on it is that the VAM-23A is really a double transfer clash, with both very close to each other. It may be, if that is the case, that the first clash had the "In" minutely separated from the neck and may very well be rarer than the double case. If that was true, the striking pressure would have been quite high for both clashes, sufficient for a significant transfer both times, which may be why 23A has such a bold and distinct "In". Check your 23A. If this is the case, you should be able to discern a very slight evidence of two clashes out from the neck and probably a broader/thicker clash by the right wreath.

BobbyDees

SWEEEEEETTTT!!!!

BobbyDees

Possible 23A EDS???!!

Coxe

Do you have a scanner? A clear, fully detailed image would be helpful. It might be what I brought up, but it really is an open question. What is for certain is that you do have something nice. Any clash that has a significant transfer of the "n" like that is desirable. Might be an early 23A,; might be 23A; might be a new find....