It's in the 'Official Cliche Thread', started by frankhardy. My contribution to the thread was:
"Centering L/R looks a little borderline for a PSA 10."
You didn't specify L/R, but hey-- I was close. In all seriousness, though,I don't think we've had a link to a PSA 10 posted here in the last year where someone hasn't questioned the centering.
<< <i>Don't worry - redsoxjeff is going to overpay for it, no one else stands a chance. >>
You don't know the HALF of it. He's been waiting for this card since he was born. His 9 will be just as strong as this 10--I guarantee it. He'll have a very expensive piece of plastic when the dust settles. I'm guessing the card is quite sharp, but the 77 Rice isn't particularily tough to find sharp, clean and centered. The odds that this card is ANY nicer than a pretty decent 9 are slim and none. Every once in a while you'll find 77's with a tiffany-like finish. Typically, the stock isn't as sharp on those (unless Joe Tuttle is cutting...er...uh...selling it) tiffany-like cards, but there are a handful of Rice's with that finish out there. I'll post a pic of one of my 9's later that has the corners and surface quality I would expect from a 10...then someone can chime in about the tilt
The best Rice's I've seen to date came from a case that Terry Ihlefeldt (waxme) broke in Washington state about six years ago. They are all razor sharp and clean. They do lack the explosive color, however. I might crack out my SGC 96 and go for a 10 on it myself for sport. The corners are needles and the centering is perfect front and back. It's funny, I had to outbid--who else? redsoxjeff for it and paid about 130 bucks for it. That card wouldn't sell beyond 30 bucks today. Makes the shot at a 10 worthwhile...it might be fun to try.
Upon further review of my tiffany-like Rice, the centering look just like the 10 that's up. It goes 46/54 LR and just about perfect TB. The centering makes it pointless to post it. When I was going through my Rice cards, I pulled this guy out. It is one of my favorite cards of all time. SGC was awfully stingy when this was graded. What would a 98 look like? Glow-in-the-dark? The red/yellow plates are not perfect on it, but that's about the only imperfection I have found with it. If I ever get the guts to take a knife or blade of any kind to the holder and PSA is ever on-site, this one would have a genuine shot at a PSA 10. Frankly, I'm not sure how it wouldn't garner a 10 based on the corners and front & back centering. The image and print quality of this one is insane. I wanted to share it as I haven't posted it in a few years...
You can see the photo-frame where the red & yellow separates a touch. I haven't found any that are perfect in this regard yet--perhaps I'm looking for something that doesn't exist? Either way, I love the card.
Man, nothing feels better than when set builders like you guys think a card is killer. You guys have handled your shares of 70's cards--that's for sure! Here's a recent pick-up from this seller that I feel like I stole. The 9's typically sell in the 75-100 dollar range of this card and this one went for 35 bucks. I owned both 10's of this card and thought both had generous issues. One haed spider wrinkles literally all through the card and was a sheet-cut from Joe Tuttle. It also had the worst PD I have ever seen on Brett's face (a dark yellow tint on his whole image). and the other was just mushy and soft with nothing special about it. THIS is my fifth 9 and I finally settled on a set card...FINALLY! I hate to think of the total cash outlay and subsequent sales that led to this one but here it is! It arrived today and I'm very pleased to say the least...
As Mike Castaldi calls 'em "nuclear clouds", Brett's uniform is guilty. It looks worse in the scan than in normal light, but 77's are really prone to those. 76's and 78's are too, but not as badly. I can get past them...I think...
That 76 Rice is a blazer! Speaking of RedSoxJeff, he had a handful of pretty high end 76's up this weekend with very low Buy It Now's. I got an absolutely stunning 76 Garvey PSA 9 for a BIN of 30 bones! The SMR on the card is $60, and the bidding on a 9 that I didn't think was quite as strong ended at $124 a month or two back. He had a pretty nice Rose in PSA 9 with a BIN of $300, a Carew with a BIN of $50. I also picked up a 76 Concepcion in a 9 from him for a BIN of $25. That was the last all star I needed for my 76 set. The L/R centering was in the 60/40 range, so I will be looking at upgrading in the future. I just wanted to grab a 9 to complete the set while I had the chance.
With the prices that some of these 1977 1/1's have been fetching, I am seriously considering parting with my 1977 Leflore. Although, it is a crapshoot. A Fran Healy goes for $400 and the Leflore would probably fetch 50 skins with my luck!
I hear ya on the 1/1 stuff. As for LeFlore, I have a soft spot for all of the Tigers from that set...very pretty. I collecf lead-off men pretty hard-core and LeFlore naturally was a big card in my set. I only parted with the 10 because I liked some components of my 9 better. The 10 you have is a stunner and replacing it will not be easy. Most of the 77 LeFlore's in the hobby in graded form came from the cases and boxes I broke over the last few years and the 10 and THIS 9 (I chose it for the insane color) will be hard to beat. Think HARD about selling that one and ask yourself "will 100 bucks really change my life right now?". If you do sell the 10 LMK where it goes so I can keep tabs on it--Kepp "Windy323" in mind as he is building a tremendous 1977 set. He's very particular and understands the set pretty well.
Congratulations on the great Garvey pick-up. The 76 Garvey is a very nice looking card for sure when it's really well-focused and struck. $30 is a steal for a card of that caliber. Concepcion isn't too easy a card, either. Lots of strange print associated with that card and dull color.
<< <i>Wow - that 76 Rice is a blazer, Phil! Best one I've seen, and I've seen quite a few. >>
Yeah, I've seen a few too. This one actually still has a L-R slight tilt to it, but it's no where as bad as all the ones I've seen. What is it about this card that they're all like this?
While we are talking 76s, I am very tempted to crack and resubmit this Concepcion:
I submitted this card once before and am still scratching my head as to how it only pulled an 8. I will resubmit it under the current special and let all of you know of the results.
I have noticed that there is a "smudge" or something like that on the 76 Concepcions. I don't know exactly what the mark is to tell the truth. It is usually within the black background on the left side...
I have defenitely seen this in the background of these 76's. I don't think they take off for this however it does take some of the beauty away from some of these .
I think the 1/1 77 LeFlore will be staying put unless I get the proverbial "offer I can't refuse" Like Phil, I have a 9 that is just a stunner! Dead centered and great eye appeal. It was probably in Phil's care at one point in time. So, that makes me a little less reluctant to sell the LeFlore if I got the right offer. With my all star sets, I want to have at least 1 of the cards in Gem Mint 10. For 77, that card is the LeFlore. I actually thought $150 for a 1/1 ex con was a great deal! I was willing to pay much more. I don't know of a another 77 that I could get for that price in a PSA 10. Maybe Luzinski since there seem to be a few of them?
Mefer, I like that Concepcion of yours better than the 9 I just picked up. I am very particular about centering and will take a well centered 8 over an off kilter 9 any day of the week. Actually, a lot of my collection is dead centered 8's.
Those mid 70's Topps really trip my trigger! 76 and 77 especially. I am starting on the 1980 set. It is growing on me and I am loving some of the photography, especially that Nolan Ryan.
...You know, I don't think I've ever shared a card that someone hasn't mentioned a tilt. Anyway, the key to the Rice is that he plays for the RED Sox. Not the Orange Sox. You need to find one with great print quality to get eye appeal. A nice, square one like mine adds to it, but it's the PICTURE and color that draw you in. The blacks are shiny and undisturbed, the reds are bold and deep, the yellows are bright and even and the shadows and highlights are balanced just right to give it nice contrast. I think set builders get too caught up in corners and stock. At one point MOST all cards were sharp and fresh. It's the ones that were special to begin with print-wise that matter to the eye. They are called "picture" cards after all. I always start with the picture and build a checklist from there. Getting a card in a 9 holder is only the beginning.
BTW, that Concepcion is really nice regardless of the holder. The exposure mark in the background is a limitation of the source and not in the manufacturing or printing of the image. The color appears strong on that one...is it? Sharp, sharp card for a NM/MT 8 it appears.
Sharp, sharp color on the Concepcion. I scratch my head everytime I look at it and wonder how it ended up in an 8 holder. For five bucks, I will resubmit it on my next submission under the current special. Wish me luck!
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-- Yogi Berra
Bosox1976
<< <i>Card looks beautiful, but centering is a bit suspect for a 10. >>
LOL! Check out my first post in the 'greatest cliches' thread.
-- Yogi Berra
"Centering L/R looks a little borderline for a PSA 10."
You didn't specify L/R, but hey-- I was close. In all seriousness, though,I don't think we've had a link to a PSA 10 posted here in the last year where someone hasn't questioned the centering.
Centering is a bit off, it hits you right away that the card does not have "perfect" centering - and that is what I expect from a PSA 10.
(Cliche it might be, but very true!)
<< <i>Don't worry - redsoxjeff is going to overpay for it, no one else stands a chance. >>
You don't know the HALF of it. He's been waiting for this card since he was born. His 9 will be just as strong as this 10--I guarantee it. He'll have a very expensive piece of plastic when the dust settles. I'm guessing the card is quite sharp, but the 77 Rice isn't particularily tough to find sharp, clean and centered. The odds that this card is ANY nicer than a pretty decent 9 are slim and none. Every once in a while you'll find 77's with a tiffany-like finish. Typically, the stock isn't as sharp on those (unless Joe Tuttle is cutting...er...uh...selling it) tiffany-like cards, but there are a handful of Rice's with that finish out there. I'll post a pic of one of my 9's later that has the corners and surface quality I would expect from a 10...then someone can chime in about the tilt
The best Rice's I've seen to date came from a case that Terry Ihlefeldt (waxme) broke in Washington state about six years ago. They are all razor sharp and clean. They do lack the explosive color, however. I might crack out my SGC 96 and go for a 10 on it myself for sport. The corners are needles and the centering is perfect front and back. It's funny, I had to outbid--who else? redsoxjeff for it and paid about 130 bucks for it. That card wouldn't sell beyond 30 bucks today. Makes the shot at a 10 worthwhile...it might be fun to try.
dgf
1976 Jim Rice SGC 96
I have handled my fair share of 76s and that card is mind blowing!!!!!!
that Rice looks damn good man. I KNOW how amped up you get for perfection. Cut yourself some slack will ya?!
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Here's a recent pick-up from this seller that I feel like I stole. The 9's typically sell in the 75-100 dollar range of this card and this one went for 35 bucks. I owned both 10's of this card and thought both had generous issues. One haed spider wrinkles literally all through the card and was a sheet-cut from Joe Tuttle. It also had the worst PD I have ever seen on Brett's face (a dark yellow tint on his whole image). and the other was just mushy and soft with nothing special about it. THIS is my fifth 9 and I finally settled on a set card...FINALLY! I hate to think of the total cash outlay and subsequent sales that led to this one but here it is! It arrived today and I'm very pleased to say the least...
Brett/Madlock
With the prices that some of these 1977 1/1's have been fetching, I am seriously considering parting with my 1977 Leflore. Although, it is a crapshoot. A Fran Healy goes for $400 and the Leflore would probably fetch 50 skins with my luck!
Congratulations on the great Garvey pick-up. The 76 Garvey is a very nice looking card for sure when it's really well-focused and struck. $30 is a steal for a card of that caliber. Concepcion isn't too easy a card, either. Lots of strange print associated with that card and dull color.
<< <i>Wow - that 76 Rice is a blazer, Phil! Best one I've seen, and I've seen quite a few. >>
Yeah, I've seen a few too. This one actually still has a L-R slight tilt to it, but it's no where as bad as all the ones I've seen. What is it about this card that they're all like this?
Compared to mine, which I submitted raw.
I submitted this card once before and am still scratching my head as to how it only pulled an 8. I will resubmit it under the current special and let all of you know of the results.
Mefer, I like that Concepcion of yours better than the 9 I just picked up. I am very particular about centering and will take a well centered 8 over an off kilter 9 any day of the week. Actually, a lot of my collection is dead centered 8's.
Those mid 70's Topps really trip my trigger! 76 and 77 especially. I am starting on the 1980 set. It is growing on me and I am loving some of the photography, especially that Nolan Ryan.
BTW, that Concepcion is really nice regardless of the holder. The exposure mark in the background is a limitation of the source and not in the manufacturing or printing of the image. The color appears strong on that one...is it? Sharp, sharp card for a NM/MT 8 it appears.
dgf