NCS evaluation *after* they slab?

coinpictures

Of the 10 slabs I got back today, 2 of the slabs had little post-its attached to them that read as follows:

****IMPORTANT****
*****MESSAGE*****
This NGC coin, Certification #:
_______________________
has been evaluated and is a good candidate
for NCS Conservation. Contact NCS
directly at (866) 627-2646 for information
on how to submit this coin for
conservation. www.NCScoin.com


Why wouldn't they have made the NCS recommendation before they slabbed the coins?

Also, there is no indication what or how the coin would be improved. The 2 coins are a Great Britain 1d 1860, MS62 BN, and Great Britain 1/4 Farthing 1852, MS63 BN.

If I take them up on their offer do I pay to have NGC slab the coin a second time even though I've already paid once? Are there any guarantees that the coin will come back at least at the current grade?

This has me confused...

ajaan

<< <i>2 of the slabs had little post-its attached to them that read as follows: >>


That is strange. Those stickers are usually on bodybags.

coinpictures

Slightly different post-it. The ones attached to the slabs were white. The ones on the bodybagged coins are blue and read slightly differently:

****IMPORTANT MESSAGE****
NGC has not certified this coin
Cert #_____________________
due to the noted problem.
Please note that NCS can encapsulate this coin
as being genuine. Additionally they can also
note any variety as well as the overall details
grade of the coin. Contact NCS directly
toll free at (866) 627-2646 for information on
how to submit the coin.

DeutscherGeist

There are professional "cleaners" in the coin world? This is news to me.

Preussen

I've received the stickers on NGC slabbed coins once or twice. Apparently, nothing prevents the coin from being certified, but NCS thinks the coin can be "improved." I ignored the recommendation. I believe accepting the recommendation would involve paying for a separate submission to NCS for evaluation and/or conservation. I also believe NGC-slabbed coins are re-holdered at no additional cost. From reading their boards, I don't think they'll conserve a slabbed coin if they think conservation would reduce the current grade. - Preussen

Conder101

I could use pictures of those stickers.



<< <i>Why wouldn't they have made the NCS recommendation before they slabbed the coins? >>


Because if they can get you to do it they can get another grading fee out of you AND the NCS fees as well. (You can send a coin to NCS and have them then send it on to NGC, but you CAN'T send a coin to NGC with instructions for them to run it through NCS first if it "needs" it. Coins flow from NCS to NGC never from NGC to NCS. My guess is that then YOU always make the decision to have the coin cleaned. It protect NGC some from accusations of "They ruined my coins!")



<< <i>Are there any guarantees that the coin will come back at least at the current grade? >>


Yes you can get a grade guarantee from NCS that they will reslab at at least the original grade, but that guarantee costs extra.

MacCrimmon

To add to what Conder said, these are probably coins which, in their experience, "MIGHT" benefit from their 'super-secret' cleansing agents, whatever they may be.

They sent me one of these on an 1883 Shield slab. That coin had been in a very early ICG slab as MS65. The coin itself was a proof, and NGC graded it as such, only better, PF66. The coin itself has an ice-blue/green iridescence to its rims. Now why would I want them to do the 'nickel' dip and strip the colours. The coin is ONLY A "66" and should not be in a "PF67 Chromium B&W" slab, and probably would not go into that slab anyway. Besides, it would not cross to a PCGS 67 slab anyway......

.....I'll keep the fee for the NCS charge in my pocket......oh yeah, thanks for the PF66 too.


P.S. Buy the coin, and remember it was an EARLY ICG slab.

coinpictures

Thanks for the info guys. I think I'll file it under "thanks but no thanks". Too much of a gamble without knowing what they plan to do to the coin. It would be one thing if the coins were bodybagged and needed NCS in order to be slabbed, but since these made it through, I'm not inclined.

The quarter farthing has nice purple-blue toning, albeit some dirt/crud in the fields. Maybe that's what they're referring to. I'm afraid that they might remove the toning as part of their efforts.

What happens if you send a coin to NCS and it comes back looking worse than it did going in? "Too bad"?

I suppose if there is a definite problem issue that you know needs to be fixed that's one thing (like the verdegris on the Russian proof I posted about a few months back) but in the case of these two coins I think it is an issue of diminishing returns... the gamble and expense outweigh the current state of the coins...