NGC Grades back. Unhappy on some, happy on others.

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Grades posted today. Bleagh.

Original predictions first, then actual grades in bold. Pictures provided (if I have them from before they were sent in).

1. Papal States 1/2 Baiocco, 1849R. Lovely red/purple toning. Prediction: XF45-AU55. BB - Improperly cleaned
   
   
2. Great Britain 1/2d, 1885. Prediction: AU58 - MS62 RB. MS64BN Higher grade than I anticipated, but BN? No RB?
   
   
   
   
   
3. Great Britain 1/2d, 1853. Prediction: MS63-64 BN. MS64BN
   
   
   
   
   
4. Prussia 2 Marks Proof, 1888A. Prediction: PR58-61 (could be way off on this one). MS62 Talked with grader; he said it had to be cameo to be a proof. WTF! Either way the coloring is gorgeous, so I'm keeping it.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
5. France 50 Centimes, 1895A. Prediction: MS64-65. MS64
   
   
   
   
   
6. Netherlands 1/4 Guilder, 1759. Prediction: Damned if I know. Could be anything from XF40 to MS63. Real crapshoot. BB - Improperly Cleaned WHAT??
   
   
   
   
   
7. Frankfurt 2 Gulden, 1848. Prediction: MS60-62. MS62
   
   
   
   
   
8. Great Britain 1d, 1860. Prediction: MS60-61 BN. MS62 BN They wouldn't designate the tripled F on the slab, saying it was not a variety listed in their standard reference work. [I had cleaned off the PVC gunk before submitting]
   
   
   
   
   
9. Great Britain 1/4 Farthing, 1852. Prediction: MS62-63 BN (might go RB). MS63BN
   
   
   
   
   
10. Great Britain 18d proof, 1811. Prediction: PR61-62. MS63 I disagree 100% with the nonproof assessment. No PL designation either. Really not happy with this one.
    
    
    
    
    
11. Great Britain 3 Shillings, 1813. Prediction: Bodybag. MS61. No friggin way. I would have bet a month's salary that this was bogus. I still think it is.
    
    
    
    
    
12. Salzburg 1/2 Thaler, 1695. Prediction: XF40-AU50 or Bodybag. BB - Obverse tooled. Josh was right.
    
    
    
    
    
13. Mexico 8 Reales, 1897 ZsFZ. Prediction: MS63-64. MS62

CIVITAS

Nice Netherlands piece. I don't see anything wrong with it in the photo. Don't know why they gave it such a hard time. Although the toning does seem to be only in the protected areas and not in the fields so it could have been lightly wiped at one time.

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<< <i>Nice Netherlands piece. I don't see anything wrong with it in the photo. Don't know why they gave it such a hard time. Although the toning does seem to be only in the protected areas and not in the fields so it could have been lightly wiped at one time. >>



If that's their criteria though, most Morgan Dollars should be bodybagged for being dipped.

If anything, the 1813 3-Shilling Bank Token exhibits more evidence of cleaning (hairlines) than the Netherlands piece.

I'm still in denial over that token. Viewing it up close and hearing the brasslike "clank" when struck (as opposed to a ring that you would expect from silver), and it being overweight, I'm gobsmacked that it came back legitimate. Obviously that's great for me, but still...

SYRACUSIAN

Great Britain 1/2d, 1885. Prediction: AU58 - MS62 RB. MS64BN Higher grade than I anticipated, but BN? No RB?



My own experience with them lately tells me that they have become extremely stingy with the RB designation and even 60% red coins get a BN. They usually compensate by an extra numerical bonus point.

A nice bunch of coins, you seem to be a good grader on the conservative side. Regarding that Prussian 2 marks, I don't know if proofs are supposed to exhibit cameo, but preussen certainly does I guess, he's hoarding these.

Madame

I'm starting to have a weakness for the Victoria Penny's. I think I'm coming down with the Numismatic Fever! Darn!

ajaan

<< <i>but BN? No RB? >>


Like syraq said, they are getting more strict on the RB designation. What would be RB a few years ago may only get BN now.

coinrookie

You gotta just love the Ceres head design.



Steve

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<< <i>but BN? No RB? >>


Like syraq said, they are getting more strict on the RB designation. What would be RB a few years ago may only get BN now. >>



Just NGC, or are all the TPGs getting more strict with RB vs. BN?

ajaan

Both PCGS and NGC are getting tougher with the RB IME.

coinkat

Nice mix of coins to submit...

I like the 1885 1/2d as well as the 1853. The Prussian 2M needs to be seen to be completely appreciated for the coin that it is.

The French 50 Centimes is attractive and looks to be worthy of a 64.

I am not going to offer a comment on the Netherlands coin... this does not seem to add up and looking at the coin in hand is required.

The Frankfurt 2Gulden looks to be graded appropriately.

I like the 1860 1d and I am not surprised that it did not get a designation for the triple F.

I am not wild about the 3 shillings... the 18d needs to be closely examined. PL examples of these exist

Steve27

Too bad that Salzburg 1/2 Thaler got BB'd; looks like a nice coin.

coinpictures

Just for giggles I may take the 3 bodybags and try them on a different TPG to see how the results compare.

Whaddayathink, PCI, ICG, or ANACS? I'm assuming that slipping one past ANACS on foreign material would be very tough, comparatively speaking...

wybrit

The 1853 halfpenny is an awesome, eye-appealing MS-64 at that!!

I am pretty surprised by the high grade on the 1885, though I know many in the series bearing that particular portrait were weakly struck.