Here's how to close a coin deal

relayer

After the auction closes, I get this email from one of the nice people on eBay

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This message was sent after the listing closed.


2nd email: I do not how my bid got to $260.00.It must have been a typo of some kind.I do not feel the coin is worth $260.00. Please offer it to the second highest bidder at his $255.00 bid. I'm sorry to say this ,but I will not pay $260.00 for your coin.

nankraut

Blocked him; thanks!

TorinoCobra71

What a
bidder. Did ya NEG him: jk!



TorinoCobra71

MadMarty

At the least ding him with a Non Paying Bidder strike...

MAD4MORGANS

Was it a snipe bid during the last few seconds of the auction?

Maybe he set his sniping program too high.

If so, a NPB slam is in order IMO.

pocketpiececommems

What kind of feedback does this bidder already have?

ms70

Blocked! Thanks relayer.

flaminio

The auction in question.

This guy bids on a lot of stuff...

He's got no negs yet. I think I'd run him through the NPB procedure before giving up on him. He might be able to be shamed into paying up.

segoja

Looks like a pretty nice CC to me.

And BTW Blocked

smiles72

I had a bidder do that on a $4000 watch.

First he accused me of selling a fake Cartier.

Next he told me that he didnt mean to bid so much.

What a tool.

Plus, he is/was a police officer in South Carolina.

I feel safer already.

relayer

He put his bid in 29 seconds before the auction closed, then a snipper bumped it up $75 at 5 seconds before the close.

I've got to wait 7 days before filing the Unpiad Item Dispute, and another 7 days before I get my fees back.

I usually don't bother neging NPB's, but this is the highest auction amount I ever had a flake bid on so I'll probably neg him in a couple of weeks.

I never responded to his email - I just sent him an invoice instead.

sweetwilliet

If by chance he pays you with paypal, however unlikely, watch out for him to try and have a freeze put on your funds. I.e., get the money to your bank account and out of paypal's hands before they can freeze it!!

Coppernicus

Man! - You folks are tough!! It may have been an honest mistake - the guy has no history of reneging! I'd give him some slack here.

Mike

thisnamztaken

<< <i>Man! - You folks are tough!! It may have been an honest mistake - the guy has no history of reneging! I'd give him some slack here.

Mike >>



I tend to agree! It's hard to read that guy's reaction. 100% positive, good feedback from sellers, but with 127 he certainly can't cry "newbie mistake" either. Possibly buyer's auction-fever remorse?

relayer

Well, here's the rest of the story...

I sent him this email:

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Unfortunately in America today, people no longer respect honor and integrity, and a sense of entitlement has replaced personal responsibility for ones actions.

However, since your actions created a contract between us, and under the terms of the eBay User Agreement, we are contractually bound to complete it.

If you breach the contract you created, I have to follow the rules and wait 7 days before I can file a UID with eBay, and then wait another 7 days before I am released from my obligations under the contract you created.

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He replied...

I know and you know that the coin is not worth $260.00. The only way I could have bid $260.00 is through a typo error. I thought I bid $185.75. You do what you have to do. I wont pay $260.00 for the coin.

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Then he sent me this

offer your friend who bid $255.00 second chance on the coin.

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So I replied...
Hank my friend,

I thought I explained to you that I already understand you are an idiot with weak character. And I'm OK with that. You don't have to keep trying to prove it to me.

If it makes you feel better to lie and say you only bid $187.50 that's fine with me.

I know you're weak and I understand you can't help that.

Just reply to the eBay instructions when they come and don't contact me anymore.

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Later I got two more of these

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Do what you have to do.

Do what you have to do.

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Then a hour later he sent a PayPal payment

Note:As much as I hate to do business with you, after checking your feedback maby you are on the up and up.

brccoins

I've gotten 5 or 6 of these lately. If you cannot afford the coin or think it is overpriced simply do not bid!

Connecticoin

The underbidder routinely flips CC dollars, so he probably thought the coin had a shot at MS-65. I suspect the winning bidder did as well, but had a change of heart when his bid got pushed up.

construct

Wow! Did you sell it "as is"? Is the return priviledge "for any reason"? If all he has to do is return it for a refund, all he's out is the postage.

SafeCracker

I've bought from you in the past, and feel you are an honest dealer/seller. I have no complaints. Sometime, we have all paid more for a coin than it's actually worth. I sure have. I'm glad he finally saw the light. But get that cash into your account quickly.

Roger

ER

<< <i>Well, here's the rest of the story...

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Then he sent me this

offer your friend who bid $255.00 second chance on the coin.

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So I replied...
Hank my friend,

I thought I explained to you that I already understand you are an idiot with weak character. And I'm OK with that. You don't have to keep trying to prove it to me.

If it makes you feel better to lie and say you only bid $187.50 that's fine with me.

I know you're weak and I understand you can't help that.

Just reply to the eBay instructions when they come and don't contact me anymore.

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Later I got two more of these

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Do what you have to do.

Do what you have to do.

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Then a hour later he sent a PayPal payment

Note:As much as I hate to do business with you, after checking your feedback maby you are on the up and up. >>




TOO FUNNY!!!

BAJJERFAN

Since he might well return it I would have seriously considered offering the coin to the second high bidder and asked him to cover the $5 for letting him off the hook, tho smoetimes the second bidder doesn't always want the coin.

Also since you have a generous return policy why not just save the hassle and mutually agree not to complete the auction.

bhartman35

I don't see what the guy's problem is. If he doesn't want the coin, just return it when it comes.

A word of caution, though: I don't think getting the money out of your PayPal account as quickly as possible will help. My understanding of the way it works is that PayPal can yank the money from whatever account is linked to your PayPal account. It would be far better to work through this amicably.

IMHO, this wasn't worth the hassle. Ebay lets you give people a Second Chance offer in situations like these for exactly this reason. One of the auctions I ran recently, I had a guy say essentially the same thing, "I think I accidentally bid $100 on your router", or something to that effect. I explained to him that the winning bid he put in wasn't that high. (It was actually something like $30.) He probably accidentally put $100 as his top bid and was afraid that that's what it went for. Anyway, I explained to him the bidding rules, but I also told him he could retract his bid if he wanted to. My attitude is, as long as I haven't shipped the item already, and it's not going to cost me significantly, what's the difference if I have to relist, or offer it to the runner-up? At this point, you've exchanged acidic emails with the guy, so the ship has sailed, but I think a more gracious attitude next time would be in order. Is he entitled to retract his bid? No, but what do you gain by holding him to it?

sweetwilliet

Here comes the chargeback!!!

streeter

Watch out for PAYPAL trickery.........it's coming. This guy doesn't want a strike.

My guess is you'll end up with the coin back or fighting paypal.

robertpr

Why not just take the high road? You already called the guy names in an email, which I would not have advised:


I thought I explained to you that I already understand you are an idiot with weak character. And I'm OK with that. You don't have to keep trying to prove it to me.

If it makes you feel better to lie and say you only bid $187.50 that's fine with me.

I know you're weak and I understand you can't help that.

Just reply to the eBay instructions when they come and don't contact me anymore.


Thank him for his business and treat him as professionally as possible. If he returns the coin, so be it. I don't think he will, though. Just quietly block him from future auctions.

My understanding of the way it works is that PayPal can yank the money from whatever account is linked to your PayPal account. It would be far better to work through this amicably.

PayPal cannot initate an electronic debit from your account unless you authorize it. Doing so would be illegal. They can, however, put your PayPal account in the negative so that you cannot use their service again until the account becomes positive. Save your email correspondense, as well as images of the coin and shipping reciepts in case of a dispute. Also get signature confirmation with your shipping (not just delivery confirmation, use signature so you can prove he actually recieved the package.)

66Tbird

I've made mistakes before as have some buyers I've had. A little give and take is require for a peaceful ending. But if I would of been hit with '

<< <i>you are an idiot with weak character >>

, that would be the 'This means war' signal and the game is on. Good luck to you. Where was that auction link BTW?

edit for stupid spelchecker

Gator5220

<< <i>They can, however, put your PayPal account in the negative so that you cannot use their service again until the account becomes positive. >>



I always wondered how this worked. I just learned something new.

TheNumish

I have over 4,000 feedbacks on Ebay and this has only happened a few times. If I don't lose money I let it go and move on to the next thing. The guy made a mistake. Makes no sense to force the guy to buy something he doesn't want. Lifes too short. Pick your battles. Move on. Don't worry, be happy.

relayer

I have to wait 7 days before I can file an unpaid item dispute, then another 7 days for the buyer to respond, then I can get the $7.80 in fees ebay charged me, so it is a two-week process.

After the auction closes I get these emails saying he isn't going to pay for it.

So I explain the process to him.

And he keeps sending emails saying he isn't going to pay for it.

There is no "war" going on. I don't need to keep getting harassed by somebody on eBay, so I explain that to him in my own charming style, and tell him not to contact me anymore. If he isn't going to pay there is nothing I can do.

He keeps sending more emails that I ignore, and then sends payment.

At this point he becomes like everybody else and I send him his coin insured with signature confirmation.

Heywood

The guy didn't make a mistake, he put in a snipe bid, then accused the seller of having someone shill it up.



He hoped to get it at the next increment over what snoopydragon bid, hence his assertion that he meant to bid 185.75.

I checked some of his other won items, and he places his bis with between 30 and 90 seconds left.

He is just mad that he almost got out sniped, and the sniper was right below his snipe bid. (his "premature" snipe bid was probably higher than 260)

Happened to me many times, you put in a high snipe, and a fellow sniper bids right below your max.

bhartman35

I don't think it matters whether he got outsniped or made a mistake. As long as the item hasn't been sent to the bidder already, there's no harm done. Ebay lets you do Second Chance offers for free under that circumstance, so you'd just be out the $5 that the original winner outbid by. Seeing as how you won't actually be seeing any of that money (because you can count on either a return or a charge dispute with PayPal) there doesn't seem to be a benefit to coercing the buyer in this case. If you'd already sent him the item and he'd refused to pay, then I'd say, "Go for the jugular!", but in this case, entering into a dispute makes no sense. Just give it to the second chance bidder and block him.

Bear

Thenewguy

How did he accidently enter $260.00 when he ment to put $185.75?? Lets see..hit the 1 opps dang got the 2, next press the 8 dang missed again and hit the 6, now for the 5 %$#$ dang 0 got in the way.. just the .75 left now how did I manage to hit the zero twice that time..The guy blind or throwing darts at the keys? How do you typo 260.00 when you ment to type 185.75.. has to be he entered a high max in snipe prog and didn't expect it to go any higher then 185.75.
TNG

Connecticoin

<< <i>How did he accidently enter $260.00 when he ment to put $185.75?? Lets see..hit the 1 opps dang got the 2, next press the 8 dang missed again and hit the 6, now for the 5 %$#$ dang 0 got in the way.. just the .75 left now how did I manage to hit the zero twice that time..The guy blind or throwing darts at the keys? How do you typo 260.00 when you ment to type 185.75.. has to be he entered a high max in snipe prog and didn't expect it to go any higher then 185.75.
TNG >>



He may have accidently entered a max bid of something like $485.75. After thinking about this a bit, maybe I would ask the buyer to send a screen shot of his max bid to see if it might indeed have been a mistake. The seller accused the buyer of lying and really had no conclusive proof that the buyer was lying, so there appears to be a high probability of a return or other shenanigans.

Heywood

But If I were the under bidder offered a second chance, I would argue that I should get it at one increment over the last legitimate bid, or $185. ( Theory being the high bidder never bid, that what I would have got it for. Seller might never go for it, but thats what I would say.

And If I were the seller, I might offer it to the under bidder for that, and let the weasel know I was doining it.

If I were the person backing out (Which I wouldn't do) I would pay the difference between the second chance offer and my bid.

szavori

If he returns the coin to you, make sure that he doesn't switch it with a lesser coin. By the sounds of this guy, I wouldn't put it past him.

coinbuf

That's a really lame thing for the bidder to do, you should hit him with a NPB IMO. And BTW thats a really nice CC.

Chris

Conder101

<< <i>How did he accidently enter $260.00 when he ment to put $185.75?? Lets see..hit the 1 opps dang got the 2, next press the 8 dang missed again and hit the 6, now for the 5 %$#$ dang 0 got in the way.. just the .75 left now how did I manage to hit the zero twice that time..The guy blind or throwing darts at the keys? How do you typo 260.00 when you ment to type 185.75.. has to be he entered a high max in snipe prog and didn't expect it to go any higher then 185.75. >>


He meant to enter $185.75 and by mistake he entered $285.75 Then when the other guy snipped with a max bid of $255.00 he won at one increment over that at $260.00 but less than his max bid of $285.75

Bochiman

<< <i>

<< <i>How did he accidently enter $260.00 when he ment to put $185.75?? Lets see..hit the 1 opps dang got the 2, next press the 8 dang missed again and hit the 6, now for the 5 %$#$ dang 0 got in the way.. just the .75 left now how did I manage to hit the zero twice that time..The guy blind or throwing darts at the keys? How do you typo 260.00 when you ment to type 185.75.. has to be he entered a high max in snipe prog and didn't expect it to go any higher then 185.75. >>


He meant to enter $185.75 and by mistake he entered $285.75 Then when the other guy snipped with a max bid of $255.00 he won at one increment over that at $260.00 but less than his max bid of $285.75 >>



That's how I was reading it too, Conder.

To try to stick someone with a coin at a price they have said they didn't plan to bid/pay is kind of stupid and weak imho.
Maybe it is $100 over what you thought you would get and you really want the money or something and realize no one in their right mind would bid near what you just got?

Anyway, there are 2 sides to every story, we have 1, and the 1 I have heard has convinced me where NOT to buy.

relayer

<< <i>has convinced me where NOT to buy. >>



Cool - the less fools I have to deal with, the happier I am

ILikeMercs

<< <i>Well, here's the rest of the story...

I sent him this email:

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Unfortunately in America today, people no longer respect honor and integrity, and a sense of entitlement has replaced personal responsibility for ones actions.

However, since your actions created a contract between us, and under the terms of the eBay User Agreement, we are contractually bound to complete it.

If you breach the contract you created, I have to follow the rules and wait 7 days before I can file a UID with eBay, and then wait another 7 days before I am released from my obligations under the contract you created.

---

He replied...

I know and you know that the coin is not worth $260.00. The only way I could have bid $260.00 is through a typo error. I thought I bid $185.75. You do what you have to do. I wont pay $260.00 for the coin.

---

Then he sent me this

offer your friend who bid $255.00 second chance on the coin.

---

So I replied...
Hank my friend,

I thought I explained to you that I already understand you are an idiot with weak character. And I'm OK with that. You don't have to keep trying to prove it to me.

If it makes you feel better to lie and say you only bid $187.50 that's fine with me.

I know you're weak and I understand you can't help that.

Just reply to the eBay instructions when they come and don't contact me anymore.

---

Later I got two more of these

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Do what you have to do.

Do what you have to do.

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Then a hour later he sent a PayPal payment

Note:As much as I hate to do business with you, after checking your feedback maby you are on the up and up. >>




don't send him the coin now.............send him an empty envelope with delivery confirmation...........