Results from opening a 1960 Leaf wax box

handyman · April 24, 2006 9:22PM

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FavreFan1971 · April 24, 2006 9:37PM

So, let me get this straight. You got 7 Bunnings out of one box? I know they come in series this year but that distribution is terrible. Any George Anderson's? The Pop's on this set are rather low but with only five registered set's I don't know if you are going to get the $$$ that you think.

mikeschmidt · April 24, 2006 9:37PM

Keep us apprised as to the results.

Certainly people do spend a lot more money on unopened that get busted. I've always been more nervous about something like 1960 Leaf set, if for nothing else, just because of the damn marbles and the ease with which cards could get creased. The set is not hugely followed, which can cause swings in prices both ways - but I think the cards are really nice in high grade. I already own a Sparky Anderson PSA 9 from the set. I presume that this is from the case find that bbcexchange brought to market a year or so ago. Either way - thanks for sharing, and please keep us in the loop.

From a pure business standpoint, I would be curious to see the economics of your bust and the sale results. E.G. Price paid for box + grading fees + Ebay fees, etc. minus money brought in.

Best-
Marc

mikeschmidt · April 24, 2006 9:41PM

<< So, let me get this straight. You got 7 Bunnings out of one box? I know they come in series this year but that distribution is terrible. Any George Anderson's? The Pop's on this set are rather low but with only five registered set's I don't know if you are going to get the $$$ that you think. >>

Favrefan - I don't know if that is so off, all things considered. First, it was 45+ years ago - people weren't as concerned with distribution back then. Secondly, there were only 72 cards to a series. So on 'average' you should get a little less than 2 of every card from the Series in busting open a box, but it certainly would not be unusual to get seven of a single player. Certainly not bad that it is a HOFer that happens to be the final card in the set.

handyman · April 24, 2006 9:52PM

Yeah

handyman · April 24, 2006 9:57PM

Also got this box in a trade and have about 2500.00 in it

downtown · April 24, 2006 10:22PM

Sent PM regarding Leaf card I am looking for.

DR

handyman · April 24, 2006 11:06PM

1 31594017 1960 LEAF 144 JIM BUNNING N/A 8
2 31594018 1973 TOPPS 380 JOHNNY BENCH N/A 9
3 31594019 1962 TOPPS 161 ABE WOODSON N/A 9OC
4 31594020 1962 TOPPS 135 JOHN REGER N/A 9MC
5 31594021 1962 TOPPS 85 DANNY VILLANUEVA N/A 9OC
6 31594022 1962 TOPPS 2 LENNY MOORE N/A 9

RonBurgundy · April 24, 2006 11:10PM

I boo anyone who opens unopened material that is more than 30 years old.

Stay classy,

Ron

handyman · April 24, 2006 11:12PM

Umm why I do it all the time, Are you taking a swing at me? JK
I pulled a PSA 10 1970 Rose last month
Seems to work

handyman · April 24, 2006 11:43PM

Those cards I listed the grades of are up for auction if their is any interst.
Ill list the #144 Bunning tonight

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpete_14_rose_psaQQhtZ-1

RonBurgundy · April 25, 2006 12:22AM

No, I'm not taking a swing at you and really don't care what you do. I choose not to do it because I think it's foolish. If you want to do it, have at it.

larryallen73 · April 25, 2006 12:32AM

Also got this box in a trade and have about 2500.00 in it

Plus Ebay fees? I am sure it was fun to open but sounds like a money loser. Oh well.... I hope I am wrong. Good luck.

By the way, I applaud you for opening the box. It takes nads! Some day I would like to bust something old like that.

handyman · April 25, 2006 12:44AM

The ebay fees wont be that bad, Just a few 100. But If I get one 10 I think Ill come out ahead if not I think Ill come out even, Just a gamble

jskirwin · April 25, 2006 5:07AM

Do people ever make back money cracking packs/boxes?

I would think that the price of unopened material has a "What if?" component to the price, e.g. "What if the box has a mint (put your high $ star name here)". Exceeding that markup would really be hard to do - otherwise everyone would be cracking packs and getting rich.

For example, wouldn't a pack of '68 baseball be marked up just in case it might have a Ryan RC in great condition?

However the odds of that strike me as being slim.

It's almost like a Quantum Wave Function - where all possibilities exist until an observation is made. Then the wave collapses.

I have to agree with RonBurgundy though. I really think cracking vintage stuff is a shame. Better to keep it as is for future generations to wonder at... Keep the wave function intact.

Oh well. At least in Sweden you've got the welfare system to take care of you in case you don't make back your money

duner · April 25, 2006 5:27AM

I would tend to think the economics of opening vintage boxes would be better than opening modern stuff, just on a different financial level...everything is premised on that "what if" factor. I've seen people that have lost their shirts opening multiple cases of exhibit....only to buy more thinking their luck would improve. It personality disorders like that which make casinos so profitable.

At least with vintage there's the condition factor that helps the resale value. Half the time you're better with a box that has no HOFers and a couple of pristine lo pop nobodies.

bobsbbcards · April 25, 2006 5:34AM

<< 
It's almost like a Quantum Wave Function - where all possibilities exist until an observation is made. Then the wave collapses.
>>

Does that mean if I crack open a vintage wax pack, that my cat is going to die?

handyman · April 25, 2006 7:10AM

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Bosox1976 · April 25, 2006 10:33AM

I like the concept - and agree with duner, it is no different than cracking today's more expensive releases - somewhat of a "scratch ticket" except high quality vintage cards are worth much more than todays base cards. Sounds like this particular box may pay off. Best of luck with the submission.

Mantlefan · April 25, 2006 11:00AM

Do people ever make back money cracking packs/boxes?

Just once for me...I opened a pack of 86 Fleer basketball which cost me $250.. Got a PSA 9 Mint Jordan that I sold for $1500.

FYS · April 25, 2006 12:49PM

<< I boo anyone who opens unopened material that is more than 30 years old.

Stay classy,

Ron >>

I cheer everyone that does. Get that stuff opened. Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake.

jskirwin · April 26, 2006 1:35AM

<< 

I cheer everyone that does. Get that stuff opened. Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake. >>

Don't forget to sell those too, Handyman.

shagrotn77 · April 26, 2006 2:04AM

<< Just once for me...I opened a pack of 86 Fleer basketball which cost me $250.. Got a PSA 9 Mint Jordan that I sold for $1500. >>

God I still remember paying .50 a pack back in '86. I'd be nearly retired at this point if I knew then what I know now!

handyman · July 21, 2007 3:27PM

I hope

rube26105 · July 21, 2007 3:40PM

i opened a 76 topps gai pack that was encased one time i got from somebody for next to nothing hoping to get some decent 8 or 9 gradable cards,, and there were 3 1975 topps cards in it instead lol,they seemed to have missed that somehow, how can you miss the thickness of a full pack compared to one with 3 cards lol
randy
i love to open old packs, gimme them 52 topps unopened,no way i can leave old cards unopened!!!

grote15 · July 21, 2007 3:41PM

Great job, handyman! Having opened my share of vintage wax (mainly 70s) over the last year or so, I've made one observation, that is, if you're lucky enough to get a truly unsearched and high end run of packs/cards, you can at least break even, if not come out ahead, because even if you don't pull any gem mint big rookies or star cards, you can do quite well if you pull a few low pop commons at least. Where you get killed (assuming the box and packs are authentic) is if the box or packs are from a bad batch, so to speak, where the cards may be OC or otherwise plagued with issues that rule out at least a healthy number of PSA 8 & 9 grades. The 75 mini case from BBCE, for instance, was 100% legit, but a brutal exercise for obtaining gradeable mint cards. Did anyone here who participated in that case break even pull a single PSA 10 from that case?

handyman · July 21, 2007 4:00PM

Yes, If I make some serious cash soon. And that wont happen. Those 1952s that BBCexchange has are as good as dead. I really want to opend a 1963 Rose series pack. Im busting another 1954 Bowman football 5 cent pack on wed. I hope they are at least centered.

nam812 · July 21, 2007 6:25PM

<< Those 1952s that BBCexchange has............ >>

I only see one 1952 pack on Steve's site.

Estil · July 21, 2007 8:39PM

Get any good marbles out of those 1960 Leaf packs?

ArnyVee · July 21, 2007 9:37PM

Anyone have a PSA 8 or better (or raw equivalent) Camilo Pascual card?

fandango · July 21, 2007 9:46PM

<< Great job, handyman! Having opened my share of vintage wax (mainly 70s) over the last year or so, I've made one observation, that is, if you're lucky enough to get a truly unsearched and high end run of packs/cards, you can at least break even, if not come out ahead, because even if you don't pull any gem mint big rookies or star cards, you can do quite well if you pull a few low pop commons at least. Where you get killed (assuming the box and packs are authentic) is if the box or packs are from a bad batch, so to speak, where the cards may be OC or otherwise plagued with issues that rule out at least a healthy number of PSA 8 & 9 grades. The 75 mini case from BBCE, for instance, was 100% legit, but a brutal exercise for obtaining gradeable mint cards. Did anyone here who participated in that case break even pull a single PSA 10 from that case? >>

HOW ARE you 100% sure that case was legit? steve may have been tricked...the packs looked very loose to me....the results from the pulls would lead you to believe they were reseals except for the fact it came from BBCX...Steve is not god, he is not perfect and his store is not perfect....this board treats that man like a god and hes not!

nam812 · July 21, 2007 10:07PM

<< Steve is not god, he is not perfect and his store is not perfect....this board treats that man like a god and hes not! >>

Who dares question the great and powerful Oz? lol

TNTonPMS · July 21, 2007 10:15PM

<< I boo anyone who opens unopened material that is more than 30 years old.
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I would have a hard time with that one there . . . .
I think I would crack under the weight of the the choices for sure and Rip , rip ,rip away if I had those .

At the same time I can definitely understand what yer sayin . . .
Maybe not boo though , maybe just AHHHHHHH ! NOOOOOO !

But I don't know , cause I don't have em . . .

itzagoner · July 21, 2007 10:49PM

Steve Hart is a mortal

the 75 Mini break was legit

Mr. handyman is a ballsy dude.....sounds like you had great fun with that box break and that's what it's all about!

MooseDog · July 22, 2007 12:28AM

<< Took balls bc I dont have an income yet and Im a college student. But I think it will pay off!!! >>

This is the part I don't get...I've busted my ass day in and day out for 30+ and I don't have the kind of disposable income that would allow me to indulge in a ~$3000 box break. How does a college student with no income afford this???

No disrespect...just asking.

digicat · July 22, 2007 12:37AM

<< This is the part I don't get...I've busted my ass day in and day out for 30+ and I don't have the kind of disposable income that would allow me to indulge in a ~$3000 box break. How does a college student with no income afford this???

No disrespect...just asking. >>

Well, when I was in college, I had my priorities straight:

#1 = cards
#2 = school

Girls, booze, and just about anything else is a cost that evaporates pretty quick. Spend the $ on cards, and you get to keep them.

edit to say.... most of my money went into paying top $$ for McGwire stuff, so I guess for all intents and purposes, I flushed it all.

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.

TNTonPMS · July 22, 2007 12:38AM

Ya got me there . . . .

julen23 · July 22, 2007 12:42AM

slinging weed can do amazing things.

as long as you don't consume all your product

julen

TNTonPMS · July 22, 2007 12:54AM

grote15 · July 22, 2007 2:09AM

HOW ARE you 100% sure that case was legit?

It was a SEALED case with the staples intact. Buying sealed cases is probably the only way to assure yourself that the packs will be untouched. I don't see how the integrity of a case like that could be compromised. After all, if PSA trusts Steve to authenticate the packs that get submitted to them, I'd say that he can tell the difference. Not saying he's infallible at all, but in this case the case break was absolutely legitimate, at least as far as the packs not being tampered with, IMO.

theczar · July 22, 2007 2:29AM

Girls, booze, and just about anything else is a cost that evaporates pretty quick. Spend the $ on cards, and you get to keep them.

Reminds me of the great George best who said:
“I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted”

julen23 · July 22, 2007 4:54AM

i thought that was tug mcgraw?

julen the wise

TNTonPMS · July 22, 2007 5:25AM

And here I am thinkin all this time I invented that ???

RipublicaninMass · July 22, 2007 9:21AM

Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake.

What is that, Gary''s new ebay ID?

lawnmowerman · July 22, 2007 9:22AM

<< Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake.

What is that, Gary''s new ebay ID? >>

UncleFestersCardCloset

rube26105 · July 23, 2007 2:49AM

“I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted”

lol-boy aint that the truth,love tohave back all the $ i spent on wine women and song for 30+ years of it, i would have a 1952 topps psa 9 all the way lol, now that you look back, lol-was fun while it lasted - i only stayed drunk for 30 years, never har a hangover cause beer was breakfast lol

mikeschmidt · July 23, 2007 3:42AM

Great results, Handyman. I remember when I picked up my Sparky Anderson PSA 9 for this set for something like $100-. I'm glad to see your PSA 8s did so well, as that means my 9 is worth a lot more.

Yippee

handyman · July 23, 2007 5:48AM

Yeah I was suprised as well. I had 3 and I put the first one on and it went for 200 I was thinking more around 100 so I sent a second chance offer to the under bidder. He didnt bit. So I put one on about 2 week later and it went for over 350.00. I still have the nicest one left and im going to sell it some time. Maybe Xmas.

Stone193 · August 2, 2016 10:26AM

Looks like someone dug up this thread and then deleted their post?

What I find interesting is many names that have long been gone from here.

Results from opening a 1960 Leaf wax box

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