So, let me get this straight. You got 7 Bunnings out of one box? I know they come in series this year but that distribution is terrible. Any George Anderson's? The Pop's on this set are rather low but with only five registered set's I don't know if you are going to get the $$$ that you think.
Certainly people do spend a lot more money on unopened that get busted. I've always been more nervous about something like 1960 Leaf set, if for nothing else, just because of the damn marbles and the ease with which cards could get creased. The set is not hugely followed, which can cause swings in prices both ways - but I think the cards are really nice in high grade. I already own a Sparky Anderson PSA 9 from the set. I presume that this is from the case find that bbcexchange brought to market a year or so ago. Either way - thanks for sharing, and please keep us in the loop.
From a pure business standpoint, I would be curious to see the economics of your bust and the sale results. E.G. Price paid for box + grading fees + Ebay fees, etc. minus money brought in.
Best- Marc
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<< <i>So, let me get this straight. You got 7 Bunnings out of one box? I know they come in series this year but that distribution is terrible. Any George Anderson's? The Pop's on this set are rather low but with only five registered set's I don't know if you are going to get the $$$ that you think. >>
Favrefan - I don't know if that is so off, all things considered. First, it was 45+ years ago - people weren't as concerned with distribution back then. Secondly, there were only 72 cards to a series. So on 'average' you should get a little less than 2 of every card from the Series in busting open a box, but it certainly would not be unusual to get seven of a single player. Certainly not bad that it is a HOFer that happens to be the final card in the set.
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
I collect Seattle Pilots autographs, 1969 Topps autographs, Signed Mickey Mantle Home Run History cards and have a JC Martin collection (he was my college Baseball coach) Doug
No, I'm not taking a swing at you and really don't care what you do. I choose not to do it because I think it's foolish. If you want to do it, have at it.
Ron Burgundy
Buying Vintage, all sports. Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
Do people ever make back money cracking packs/boxes?
I would think that the price of unopened material has a "What if?" component to the price, e.g. "What if the box has a mint (put your high $ star name here)". Exceeding that markup would really be hard to do - otherwise everyone would be cracking packs and getting rich.
For example, wouldn't a pack of '68 baseball be marked up just in case it might have a Ryan RC in great condition?
However the odds of that strike me as being slim.
It's almost like a Quantum Wave Function - where all possibilities exist until an observation is made. Then the wave collapses.
I have to agree with RonBurgundy though. I really think cracking vintage stuff is a shame. Better to keep it as is for future generations to wonder at... Keep the wave function intact.
Oh well. At least in Sweden you've got the welfare system to take care of you in case you don't make back your money
I would tend to think the economics of opening vintage boxes would be better than opening modern stuff, just on a different financial level...everything is premised on that "what if" factor. I've seen people that have lost their shirts opening multiple cases of exhibit....only to buy more thinking their luck would improve. It personality disorders like that which make casinos so profitable.
At least with vintage there's the condition factor that helps the resale value. Half the time you're better with a box that has no HOFers and a couple of pristine lo pop nobodies.
I like the concept - and agree with duner, it is no different than cracking today's more expensive releases - somewhat of a "scratch ticket" except high quality vintage cards are worth much more than todays base cards. Sounds like this particular box may pay off. Best of luck with the submission.
<< <i>Just once for me...I opened a pack of 86 Fleer basketball which cost me $250.. Got a PSA 9 Mint Jordan that I sold for $1500. >>
God I still remember paying .50 a pack back in '86. I'd be nearly retired at this point if I knew then what I know now!
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
i opened a 76 topps gai pack that was encased one time i got from somebody for next to nothing hoping to get some decent 8 or 9 gradable cards,, and there were 3 1975 topps cards in it instead lol,they seemed to have missed that somehow, how can you miss the thickness of a full pack compared to one with 3 cards lol randy i love to open old packs, gimme them 52 topps unopened,no way i can leave old cards unopened!!!
Great job, handyman! Having opened my share of vintage wax (mainly 70s) over the last year or so, I've made one observation, that is, if you're lucky enough to get a truly unsearched and high end run of packs/cards, you can at least break even, if not come out ahead, because even if you don't pull any gem mint big rookies or star cards, you can do quite well if you pull a few low pop commons at least. Where you get killed (assuming the box and packs are authentic) is if the box or packs are from a bad batch, so to speak, where the cards may be OC or otherwise plagued with issues that rule out at least a healthy number of PSA 8 & 9 grades. The 75 mini case from BBCE, for instance, was 100% legit, but a brutal exercise for obtaining gradeable mint cards. Did anyone here who participated in that case break even pull a single PSA 10 from that case?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yes, If I make some serious cash soon. And that wont happen. Those 1952s that BBCexchange has are as good as dead. I really want to opend a 1963 Rose series pack. Im busting another 1954 Bowman football 5 cent pack on wed. I hope they are at least centered.
<< <i>Great job, handyman! Having opened my share of vintage wax (mainly 70s) over the last year or so, I've made one observation, that is, if you're lucky enough to get a truly unsearched and high end run of packs/cards, you can at least break even, if not come out ahead, because even if you don't pull any gem mint big rookies or star cards, you can do quite well if you pull a few low pop commons at least. Where you get killed (assuming the box and packs are authentic) is if the box or packs are from a bad batch, so to speak, where the cards may be OC or otherwise plagued with issues that rule out at least a healthy number of PSA 8 & 9 grades. The 75 mini case from BBCE, for instance, was 100% legit, but a brutal exercise for obtaining gradeable mint cards. Did anyone here who participated in that case break even pull a single PSA 10 from that case? >>
HOW ARE you 100% sure that case was legit? steve may have been tricked...the packs looked very loose to me....the results from the pulls would lead you to believe they were reseals except for the fact it came from BBCX...Steve is not god, he is not perfect and his store is not perfect....this board treats that man like a god and hes not!
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I would have a hard time with that one there . . . . I think I would crack under the weight of the the choices for sure and Rip , rip ,rip away if I had those .
At the same time I can definitely understand what yer sayin . . . Maybe not boo though , maybe just AHHHHHHH ! NOOOOOO !
<< <i>Took balls bc I dont have an income yet and Im a college student. But I think it will pay off!!! >>
This is the part I don't get...I've busted my ass day in and day out for 30+ and I don't have the kind of disposable income that would allow me to indulge in a ~$3000 box break. How does a college student with no income afford this???
<< <i>This is the part I don't get...I've busted my ass day in and day out for 30+ and I don't have the kind of disposable income that would allow me to indulge in a ~$3000 box break. How does a college student with no income afford this???
No disrespect...just asking. >>
Well, when I was in college, I had my priorities straight:
#1 = cards #2 = school
Girls, booze, and just about anything else is a cost that evaporates pretty quick. Spend the $ on cards, and you get to keep them.
edit to say.... most of my money went into paying top $$ for McGwire stuff, so I guess for all intents and purposes, I flushed it all. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
It was a SEALED case with the staples intact. Buying sealed cases is probably the only way to assure yourself that the packs will be untouched. I don't see how the integrity of a case like that could be compromised. After all, if PSA trusts Steve to authenticate the packs that get submitted to them, I'd say that he can tell the difference. Not saying he's infallible at all, but in this case the case break was absolutely legitimate, at least as far as the packs not being tampered with, IMO.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
“I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted”
lol-boy aint that the truth,love tohave back all the $ i spent on wine women and song for 30+ years of it, i would have a 1952 topps psa 9 all the way lol, now that you look back, lol-was fun while it lasted - i only stayed drunk for 30 years, never har a hangover cause beer was breakfast lol
Great results, Handyman. I remember when I picked up my Sparky Anderson PSA 9 for this set for something like $100-. I'm glad to see your PSA 8s did so well, as that means my 9 is worth a lot more.
Yippee
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Yeah I was suprised as well. I had 3 and I put the first one on and it went for 200 I was thinking more around 100 so I sent a second chance offer to the under bidder. He didnt bit. So I put one on about 2 week later and it went for over 350.00. I still have the nicest one left and im going to sell it some time. Maybe Xmas.
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Certainly people do spend a lot more money on unopened that get busted. I've always been more nervous about something like 1960 Leaf set, if for nothing else, just because of the damn marbles and the ease with which cards could get creased. The set is not hugely followed, which can cause swings in prices both ways - but I think the cards are really nice in high grade. I already own a Sparky Anderson PSA 9 from the set. I presume that this is from the case find that bbcexchange brought to market a year or so ago. Either way - thanks for sharing, and please keep us in the loop.
From a pure business standpoint, I would be curious to see the economics of your bust and the sale results. E.G. Price paid for box + grading fees + Ebay fees, etc. minus money brought in.
Best-
Marc
<< <i>So, let me get this straight. You got 7 Bunnings out of one box? I know they come in series this year but that distribution is terrible. Any George Anderson's? The Pop's on this set are rather low but with only five registered set's I don't know if you are going to get the $$$ that you think. >>
Favrefan - I don't know if that is so off, all things considered. First, it was 45+ years ago - people weren't as concerned with distribution back then. Secondly, there were only 72 cards to a series. So on 'average' you should get a little less than 2 of every card from the Series in busting open a box, but it certainly would not be unusual to get seven of a single player. Certainly not bad that it is a HOFer that happens to be the final card in the set.
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2 31594018 1973 TOPPS 380 JOHNNY BENCH N/A 9
3 31594019 1962 TOPPS 161 ABE WOODSON N/A 9OC
4 31594020 1962 TOPPS 135 JOHN REGER N/A 9MC
5 31594021 1962 TOPPS 85 DANNY VILLANUEVA N/A 9OC
6 31594022 1962 TOPPS 2 LENNY MOORE N/A 9
Stay classy,
Ron
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
I pulled a PSA 10 1970 Rose last month
Seems to work
Ill list the #144 Bunning tonight
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpete_14_rose_psaQQhtZ-1
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
Plus Ebay fees? I am sure it was fun to open but sounds like a money loser. Oh well.... I hope I am wrong. Good luck.
By the way, I applaud you for opening the box. It takes nads! Some day I would like to bust something old like that.
I would think that the price of unopened material has a "What if?" component to the price, e.g. "What if the box has a mint (put your high $ star name here)". Exceeding that markup would really be hard to do - otherwise everyone would be cracking packs and getting rich.
For example, wouldn't a pack of '68 baseball be marked up just in case it might have a Ryan RC in great condition?
However the odds of that strike me as being slim.
It's almost like a Quantum Wave Function - where all possibilities exist until an observation is made. Then the wave collapses.
I have to agree with RonBurgundy though. I really think cracking vintage stuff is a shame. Better to keep it as is for future generations to wonder at... Keep the wave function intact.
Oh well. At least in Sweden you've got the welfare system to take care of you in case you don't make back your money
At least with vintage there's the condition factor that helps the resale value. Half the time you're better with a box that has no HOFers and a couple of pristine lo pop nobodies.
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It's almost like a Quantum Wave Function - where all possibilities exist until an observation is made. Then the wave collapses.
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Does that mean if I crack open a vintage wax pack, that my cat is going to die?
bobsbbcards SGC Registry Sets
Bosox1976
Just once for me...I opened a pack of 86 Fleer basketball which cost me $250.. Got a PSA 9 Mint Jordan that I sold for $1500.
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
<< <i>I boo anyone who opens unopened material that is more than 30 years old.
Stay classy,
Ron >>
I cheer everyone that does. Get that stuff opened. Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake.
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I cheer everyone that does. Get that stuff opened. Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake. >>
Don't forget to sell those too, Handyman.
<< <i>Just once for me...I opened a pack of 86 Fleer basketball which cost me $250.. Got a PSA 9 Mint Jordan that I sold for $1500. >>
God I still remember paying .50 a pack back in '86. I'd be nearly retired at this point if I knew then what I know now!
randy
i love to open old packs, gimme them 52 topps unopened,no way i can leave old cards unopened!!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Those 1952s that BBCexchange has............ >>
I only see one 1952 pack on Steve's site.
Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
Quarters: 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
WaltDisneyBoards
<< <i>Great job, handyman! Having opened my share of vintage wax (mainly 70s) over the last year or so, I've made one observation, that is, if you're lucky enough to get a truly unsearched and high end run of packs/cards, you can at least break even, if not come out ahead, because even if you don't pull any gem mint big rookies or star cards, you can do quite well if you pull a few low pop commons at least. Where you get killed (assuming the box and packs are authentic) is if the box or packs are from a bad batch, so to speak, where the cards may be OC or otherwise plagued with issues that rule out at least a healthy number of PSA 8 & 9 grades. The 75 mini case from BBCE, for instance, was 100% legit, but a brutal exercise for obtaining gradeable mint cards. Did anyone here who participated in that case break even pull a single PSA 10 from that case? >>
HOW ARE you 100% sure that case was legit? steve may have been tricked...the packs looked very loose to me....the results from the pulls would lead you to believe they were reseals except for the fact it came from BBCX...Steve is not god, he is not perfect and his store is not perfect....this board treats that man like a god and hes not!
<< <i>Steve is not god, he is not perfect and his store is not perfect....this board treats that man like a god and hes not! >>
Who dares question the great and powerful Oz? lol
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I would have a hard time with that one there . . . .
I think I would crack under the weight of the the choices for sure and Rip , rip ,rip away if I had those .
At the same time I can definitely understand what yer sayin . . .
Maybe not boo though , maybe just AHHHHHHH ! NOOOOOO !
But I don't know , cause I don't have em . . .
the 75 Mini break was legit
Mr. handyman is a ballsy dude.....sounds like you had great fun with that box break and that's what it's all about!
<< <i>Took balls bc I dont have an income yet and Im a college student. But I think it will pay off!!! >>
This is the part I don't get...I've busted my ass day in and day out for 30+ and I don't have the kind of disposable income that would allow me to indulge in a ~$3000 box break. How does a college student with no income afford this???
No disrespect...just asking.
<< <i>This is the part I don't get...I've busted my ass day in and day out for 30+ and I don't have the kind of disposable income that would allow me to indulge in a ~$3000 box break. How does a college student with no income afford this???
No disrespect...just asking. >>
Well, when I was in college, I had my priorities straight:
#1 = cards
#2 = school
Girls, booze, and just about anything else is a cost that evaporates pretty quick. Spend the $ on cards, and you get to keep them.
edit to say.... most of my money went into paying top $$ for McGwire stuff, so I guess for all intents and purposes, I flushed it all.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
as long as you don't consume all your product
julen
RIP GURU
It was a SEALED case with the staples intact. Buying sealed cases is probably the only way to assure yourself that the packs will be untouched. I don't see how the integrity of a case like that could be compromised. After all, if PSA trusts Steve to authenticate the packs that get submitted to them, I'd say that he can tell the difference. Not saying he's infallible at all, but in this case the case break was absolutely legitimate, at least as far as the packs not being tampered with, IMO.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Girls, booze, and just about anything else is a cost that evaporates pretty quick. Spend the $ on cards, and you get to keep them.
Reminds me of the great George best who said:
“I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted”
julen the wise
RIP GURU
What is that, Gary''s new ebay ID?
<< <i>Save the wrappers for nostaglia sake.
What is that, Gary''s new ebay ID? >>
UncleFestersCardCloset
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
lol-boy aint that the truth,love tohave back all the $ i spent on wine women and song for 30+ years of it, i would have a 1952 topps psa 9 all the way lol, now that you look back, lol-was fun while it lasted - i only stayed drunk for 30 years, never har a hangover cause beer was breakfast lol
Yippee
What I find interesting is many names that have long been gone from here.