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Dimeman gets passed in the U.S. Dimes Complete Set, Circulation Strikes (1796-present)
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I see its going to be a tight race in this set for a long time!
Dimeman will need those FB bonus points (2 I'm assuming) when the set weights are completed.
Later, Paul.
Dimeman will need those FB bonus points (2 I'm assuming) when the set weights are completed.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
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that philosophy, it just wont win you any awards. Over time his position will get weaker.
The All Dimes Collection will stay on top for a long time. Grade will always prevail. It will probably take
a new comer to un-throne him.......or
Watch out for the Just Starting set, He has the Mercs and Roosies covered. With a little persistence,
a dash of dedication, throw in a couple years and a gallon of cash he could own the number 1 tittle.
This set is not going to a bonus for FB. That was one of my requests for the set. I'm going to ask to have it taken off the date set also. I don't feel the FB bonus should be on any set except for the series where there is also a non FB set available.
Any way you are correct it should be a long hard battle. I doubt if anyone will complete this set in UNC. I don't know about the SC collection, but the others in high grade in this set and the date set are all in the later years. When they get back into the Barbers, Seated and Bust they will drop down in grade unless they have really deep pockets.
Onlyroosies,
The Just Starting set is in the Date set not complete set and has a high grade because it is Mercs and Roosies only.
I really didn't think there was anyone else collecting all dimes like I have been doing for the past 35 years. Every show I would go to the dealers would ask what I collected and when I replied Dimes they asked which Dimes and I would say ALL Dimes. They would go WOW I don't anyone doing that!!
That's how I became know on the floor as "Dimeman", so I used that handle here.
AS far as winning, I don't care about that because I know there are people out there with the money to "out grade" me. I just love dimes and want a complete set in the best grade I can afford. I am proud of all my sets, especially the Merc set that was # 1 in 2002 before the big guys showed up. The Merc guys had a blast back in those days when we would put on passing signals to pass someone in fun.
It's all for fun!
Jon
<< <i>The Merc guys had a blast back in those days when we would put on passing signals to pass someone in fun. >>
That was real fun back then and is Really, Really missed. Some great fun and cheerfull ribbing was lost when PCGS let us automatically enter our coins. Everything fell apart after that Black Week.
Progress was not good !
Ken
to find it.
I believe PCGS will keep the bonus for FB. If they don't they will have to remove the bonus from the mint sets and proof sets too.
easier to add to one set then to remove from all the others.
<< <i>I don't think Dimeman can win this battle. He is going for completeness over grade. No problem with
that philosophy, it just wont win you any awards. Over time his position will get weaker.
The All Dimes Collection will stay on top for a long time. Grade will always prevail. It will probably take
a new comer to un-throne him.......or
Watch out for the Just Starting set, He has the Mercs and Roosies covered. With a little persistence,
a dash of dedication, throw in a couple years and a gallon of cash he could own the number 1 tittle. >>
I just went and looked at this set in the year/date registry. This collection will undoubtedly be #1 just based on the 2 sets that Onlyroosies stated above.
Dimeman, I promise you that you will fall victim to the FB's. PCGS will add this to this set, as required from the Roosies and the Mercs. I fthey do this then you will have to add 2 full grades to every coin just to catch him.
Now you say that its not a competition for you, but alot of your posts tend to say otherwise. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything like that, but I feel very interested in this set.
Nick, I actually heard one time that you have a gallon of cash sitting around...you keep it hidden under your computer desk right?
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
Mark
P.S.: Remember the jibs about "fishing lures?"
<< <i>Red Friday's were cool. Nowadays I see Paul (stooge) helping keep the spirit of camaraderie alive for dimes, albeit Roosies rather than Mercs.
Mark
P.S.: Remember the jibs about "fishing lures?" >>
Mark, I'm doing the best I can!!! I think that I will have to hold out for RED FRIDAYS.
When are you going to add your set?
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>P.S.: Remember the jibs about "fishing lures?" >>
Spooly caused a uproar when he came up with that one. A half cent and large cent collector jumping into a merc thread with a dime with a hook on it. Classic is all I can say.
Now about Red Friday. It can be revived if everyone only enters their coins on Friday. Of course a thread during the week warning about passing is allowed.
Heck maybe I would enter some dimes....one at a time....
Ken
As far as the bands go. I WON'T pay a lot of money for them! I won't pay 2 or 3 hundred for a Roosie in FB that I can buy for 10 bucks in the same grade. And the Mercs are even worse. For example, I will probably get my 19-S in 63 or 64 for 400-600 no bands. With bands that same coin would be 1300-5900. There are a lot like that and some even worse. Generly my rule is to buy the grade just below the big jump. Some coins that will be 67 or 65 or 63 or VF whatever. My early bust coins will probably be vg to fine. My barbers will be AU or better and so on.
I don't really think anyone out there will want to fork out the money it would take to get this set in UNC. Even if they have the money. It would be a very impressive set if done.
And BJ did promise that the complete dime set would NOT have the FB bonus, but if she changes her mind it's no big deal. I'm in it for the fun just to see if I can do it in any grade!
Jon
<< <i>...And BJ did promise that the complete dime set would NOT have the FB bonus, but if she changes her mind it's no big deal. I'm in it for the fun just to see if I can do it in any grade!
Jon >>
I have not heard nor have I seen this. I think that it would be unfair to not add the FB's. The other sets have this, so why not this set?
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
or they should start another all dimes registry with out FB like they do for the Mercs and Roosies.
From Paul. I don't know how to bring in and italitize.
I believe that it is unfair TO ADD 2 bonus points for FB. I have never been for the FB THING and never will be! To me there is no way that 65FB should count as much as a 67 in a set! The GRADE is the ONLY thing that should count period!!!!
The whole FB thing just makes me see RED! It's just another way to gouge the collector!!!!!
a higher point value for spending $2800 for a 1957P MS67FB vs $50 for a 1957P MS67. Even though you
don't acknowledge FB other collectors do as does PCGS. In this case the FB is far more rare and valuable
then the non-FB and should be rewarded, even though you may not think so other collectors along with
PCGS do, as noted in their price guide, and registries.
This thread will get e-mailed to BJ and DH. All in favor or against FB bonus points being added to the complete
dime registry set chime in now and voice your opinion.
My vote is for FB Bonus points to be added.
Nick Cascio
Onlyroosies
Complete Dime set 1796-date with designations
&
Complete Dime set 1796-date without designations
As simple as that.
Wondercoin
I personally "detest" that the Registries award extra points for FT/FB, but that's the way it is. This will NOT change, so adapt if you want the most points.
I detest the system because - except for a very few dates - it is much, much harder to get a roosie or merc in 68 than in 67 well struck (obviously, 45, 57, 63 are exceptions)....I can attest that all my sets reflect this stated philosophy in that every coin in them is the most flawless and colorful coin I've seen with no regard for MS # or FT/FB.
But being true to what I perceive as rarity has cost me tremendously in the registry race. Several sets are rated above me because of strike bonus points. I've owned coins that WOULD have bumped me nearly 20000 points higher in the standings, but I sold them because I prefer my others. (EXAMPLE: look at my icon coin...Really, should someone's FB designation bump this MS 68 from being a pop top????)
That said, the "positive" for me from the system is that I've made and sold numerous high graded FT/FB coins for $$$$$$.
IMHO far too many collectors continue chasing registry point numbers and not the best available coin. I refuse do this -- I'd rather bump a bland 67 FB coin for a killer 67 any day....and that's why the best rainbow toned roosie proof dime set in the world is worth 122 Registry points!!!!
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Give each collector a place that showcases his coins on an equal footing. Just think of all the nice MS 68-69 coins that would show up in sets if they were not held hostage to a 2 point FB bonus that the owners don't care about anyway. I love FB's, but I have some super MS68's that will never see a registry unless they were given their respect.
edited for error:
The above statement is not ENTIRELY TRUE, I do still have a 1990-P MS68 in my set. Why? Because there is only 1 FB graded for that year, a MS67FB.
So the best of the rest is the 5 coins graded MS68 no bands. Others that I had listed were removed for 67FB's, its a numbers game folks....
I don't want 2 different sets that just delutes the whole thing. I'm for removing all the FB bonuses on all sets where they are now!!!
Jon
I believe the TPG's are fairly careful with Roosies and the designation. This is not true with Mercs in my opinion. Way toooooooooooooooooooooo many Mercs get the Full Bands when it is not deserved.
Ken
In particular, would like to see Onlyroosies' reply....
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Wondercoin
Why do some frankie dates get FBL when a better struck frankie from Denver in the early 50s does not get it???
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
PCGS may have changed the FB grading over the last 2-3 years and some of my coins may not get the FB today, but there are not many to go around. I will participate ONLY in a set that includes the FB bonus and thats it. If PCGS wants to go to this extent and add this set and that set, well thats fine. Let them do that.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
Thats not going to happen. PCGS created the FB, FS, FBL, FH. Just try and tell a top ranked Merc set holder that he will
not be receiving any bonus points for his 1919-S and 1945-P FB dimes. Go ahead and tell just having fun that the
hundreds of thousands of dollars he has spent on his world class FS jeff nickel set and FH standing quarter and FB Roosie
set for that matter has just had its value cut in half.....Check the registries, I believe there are far more sets registered
under the designated sets then there are under the non-designated sets.
The only solution is to create 2 sets as Mitch stated. Designated and non-designated. I was an FB hater also when I first
heard about it. But!! This is PCGS's turf and their rules. If you want to play on their turf and play in their registries you
play by their rules. Once I learned this this game got a lot more fun.
I'm for removing all the FB bonuses on all sets where they are now!!!
Of course you are, your the guy that paid $500 for his 1919-S MS64 merc dime not the guy that paid $6000 for his 1919-S MS64FB
Merc dime. Now you want yours to be equal to his in the registry.....Which way do you think PCGS is going to lean here.
Rainbowroosie is a great example, He hates FB but has learned the rules of the game and has profited handsomely by it.
I'm sure he will agree that FB/FT has been very good to him. His interest are in his collection not his ranking in the registry.
Lets see how this plays out.
I doubt King Solomon could find a more fair solution than give EACH of these guys their very own Registry sets.
Wondercoin
I'm sure he will agree that FB/FT has been very good to him. His interest are in his collection not his ranking in the registry."
Gee Nick,
You do know me!
Read my byline below....it was NOT an April Fool's Day jest...
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
to the other sets with designations, I agree with Nick and Paul on this,
I also think there are enough sets already and the generic sets carry
little wt in the game
Tim
I feel that a few years from now when the top 5-6 guys in this set, have all of the Roosies and Mercs, this set will come down to not just the FB designation (If accepted by PCGS), but the grades in the Early and Bust dime coinage.
Nick is right, its going to take a gallon of cash and a few lucky breaks in obtaining all of these coins.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.