Coinshow in Stuttgart - report and pics of my purchases
Udo
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Here's my report from the coin show in Stuttgart last Saturday:
I arrived at the entrance at about a quarter to 09:00 AM and yet a couple of minutes later I met Micheal
and Michael, two collector friends. One is a worldcoin collector and the other specializes in German East
Africa. Of course we were wondering why the cash deck was closed and still many dealers were transporting
their stuff into the hall, until we realized that the show opened an hour later this year.
So we approached to another entrance from where we could get into the minerals and fossils bourse which
had already opened. By the way, there are six different shows at the same time on the area, coins is only
one of it. After a cup of coffee Michael bought some minerals from Namibia and I bought some small pet figures,
made of sort of semi-precious stone, for the kids.
Because the exhibition halls are all connected with each other, we were able to pass the security guard at the
back entrance of the coinshow at 10:00 AM, no lines and crowds, for a few minutes we were alone with the
dealers.
Oh yeah, there was this guy, who is always placing these small adhesive price labels directly on the coin, again,
we passed by his table quick. There were a few other jerks practicing the same. As usual we could see from far
away, where the coins were bright and shiny like fresh out of the dip, where I probably wouldn't ever buy anything.
There were also many dealers for Euro coins, some had darkside material, but only very few. They usually have their
material in thick albums and it was exhausting to brouse through them, especially as it got more crowded.
I was also looking for some nice Italian coins, but I found nothing.
The same situation with the minors, usually all hidden in albums, except the expensive ones. There were almost no
25 Pfennig pieces available, let alone a 1910 D in proof. Mr. Flores showed me a wonderful 50 Pfennig piece in proof
which he was very proud of. I told him that this was the third year yet in which he's showing me that coin.
"I don't understand why people are willing to pay several thousands of Euros for a little Empire goldcoin in proof,
but don`t want to spend 900 Euro for this little Empire silver coin in proof" he said.
I bought a few cheap minors from him:
1 Pfennig 1939 B
2 Pfennig 1939 F
Halbe Mark 1916 A
Halbe Mark 1917 A
Halbe Mark 1917 A
I suspect this one to be an unetched example. The mints started in 1917 to leave out the etching process of
the planchets before the coins were minted. The coins appeard with kind of a blue color then, coins with black
finish were issued later in time.
At Möllers table we had the chance to browse through the catalog of his next auction, 1700 Goetz lots and a
collection of a guy who collected Emire coins in proof and business strike. We also had the opportunity to look
at some of the lots and of course we ordered the catalog.
I asked some of the dealers if they would buy my Prussian 1872 10 Mark coin, they all wanted to give me only
80 Euro for it, but that would have been less than what I paid for it. Matthias Pfefferle offered me 110 Euro if
I would take something from his stuff, so I ended up with the
2 Mark Saxe-Meiningen 1915
I was so happy that I got rid of the goldcoin that I even forgot to look for another proof at his table and so I
continued the search for the Lessing coin at several other tables. Meanwhile it was time for lunch, we met a
few more friends and then went to the military and guns and weapons show, where we had a "Schmalzbrot"
at the stand of a shooting club.
We all agreed that it is not a good idea to sell Samurai swords to 18 year olds and returned to the hall with
the coins.
At the table of the BW-Bank I found Alfons, another friend, signing something. "What the heck are you doing
here?" I asked and he responded: "I just signed the contract of purchase for a 3 Mark Württemberg 1916!"
The dealer showed us the coin and it was the nicest I've seen so far. Four digit price!
Later I heard Alfons' wife saying to another wife: "But that was the last coin for this year, for sure!"
Utsch is a dealer with usually very nice stuff and normally one can trust his grading, but not always as we had
to learn later.
3 Mark Prussia 1914
This was the nicest example I could find at the show!
3 Mark 1913 Der König rief
After all I don't know why I bought this coin, it is ugly! I don't like it, I must have had a kind of a blackout!
The light is very very bad in Stuttgart and although Utsch had his own desk lamps, they were bad too, perhaps they
even made everything darker.
I did not see that the coin was cleaned in two small areas around the head of Friedrich Wilhelm III.
He said it was stempelglanz! I didn't realize it until I took the photos. Another lesson learned, so you can't always
trust a dealer and I'll get me a loupe with 20x magnification. Micheal too noticed a rim nick at the coin the bought from
Utsch, of course not until the evening!
3 Mark 1913 Anniversary of Reign
3 Mark 1908 - Help, I need some acetone!
After a long and fruitless search for a Lessing proof we decided to look at Pfefferle's stuff again and WTF, there
it was! I didn't notice it in the morning, let's see how it turns out.
At 05:00 PM the first dealers were packing their bags already so we went outside and left the show. As usual
we had an after show meeting, this time in a drinking hole in Bad Cannstadt, "Trattoria da Toni" where the
inkeeper Toni wanted to kill us with a giant Schnitzel!
We all have had a nice evening and finally when I came home I found something in the mail:
1 Mark 1874 D
Udo
I arrived at the entrance at about a quarter to 09:00 AM and yet a couple of minutes later I met Micheal
and Michael, two collector friends. One is a worldcoin collector and the other specializes in German East
Africa. Of course we were wondering why the cash deck was closed and still many dealers were transporting
their stuff into the hall, until we realized that the show opened an hour later this year.
So we approached to another entrance from where we could get into the minerals and fossils bourse which
had already opened. By the way, there are six different shows at the same time on the area, coins is only
one of it. After a cup of coffee Michael bought some minerals from Namibia and I bought some small pet figures,
made of sort of semi-precious stone, for the kids.
Because the exhibition halls are all connected with each other, we were able to pass the security guard at the
back entrance of the coinshow at 10:00 AM, no lines and crowds, for a few minutes we were alone with the
dealers.
Oh yeah, there was this guy, who is always placing these small adhesive price labels directly on the coin, again,
we passed by his table quick. There were a few other jerks practicing the same. As usual we could see from far
away, where the coins were bright and shiny like fresh out of the dip, where I probably wouldn't ever buy anything.
There were also many dealers for Euro coins, some had darkside material, but only very few. They usually have their
material in thick albums and it was exhausting to brouse through them, especially as it got more crowded.
I was also looking for some nice Italian coins, but I found nothing.
The same situation with the minors, usually all hidden in albums, except the expensive ones. There were almost no
25 Pfennig pieces available, let alone a 1910 D in proof. Mr. Flores showed me a wonderful 50 Pfennig piece in proof
which he was very proud of. I told him that this was the third year yet in which he's showing me that coin.
"I don't understand why people are willing to pay several thousands of Euros for a little Empire goldcoin in proof,
but don`t want to spend 900 Euro for this little Empire silver coin in proof" he said.
I bought a few cheap minors from him:
1 Pfennig 1939 B
2 Pfennig 1939 F
Halbe Mark 1916 A
Halbe Mark 1917 A
Halbe Mark 1917 A
I suspect this one to be an unetched example. The mints started in 1917 to leave out the etching process of
the planchets before the coins were minted. The coins appeard with kind of a blue color then, coins with black
finish were issued later in time.
At Möllers table we had the chance to browse through the catalog of his next auction, 1700 Goetz lots and a
collection of a guy who collected Emire coins in proof and business strike. We also had the opportunity to look
at some of the lots and of course we ordered the catalog.
I asked some of the dealers if they would buy my Prussian 1872 10 Mark coin, they all wanted to give me only
80 Euro for it, but that would have been less than what I paid for it. Matthias Pfefferle offered me 110 Euro if
I would take something from his stuff, so I ended up with the
2 Mark Saxe-Meiningen 1915
I was so happy that I got rid of the goldcoin that I even forgot to look for another proof at his table and so I
continued the search for the Lessing coin at several other tables. Meanwhile it was time for lunch, we met a
few more friends and then went to the military and guns and weapons show, where we had a "Schmalzbrot"
at the stand of a shooting club.
We all agreed that it is not a good idea to sell Samurai swords to 18 year olds and returned to the hall with
the coins.
At the table of the BW-Bank I found Alfons, another friend, signing something. "What the heck are you doing
here?" I asked and he responded: "I just signed the contract of purchase for a 3 Mark Württemberg 1916!"
The dealer showed us the coin and it was the nicest I've seen so far. Four digit price!
Later I heard Alfons' wife saying to another wife: "But that was the last coin for this year, for sure!"
Utsch is a dealer with usually very nice stuff and normally one can trust his grading, but not always as we had
to learn later.
3 Mark Prussia 1914
This was the nicest example I could find at the show!
3 Mark 1913 Der König rief
After all I don't know why I bought this coin, it is ugly! I don't like it, I must have had a kind of a blackout!
The light is very very bad in Stuttgart and although Utsch had his own desk lamps, they were bad too, perhaps they
even made everything darker.
I did not see that the coin was cleaned in two small areas around the head of Friedrich Wilhelm III.
He said it was stempelglanz! I didn't realize it until I took the photos. Another lesson learned, so you can't always
trust a dealer and I'll get me a loupe with 20x magnification. Micheal too noticed a rim nick at the coin the bought from
Utsch, of course not until the evening!
3 Mark 1913 Anniversary of Reign
3 Mark 1908 - Help, I need some acetone!
After a long and fruitless search for a Lessing proof we decided to look at Pfefferle's stuff again and WTF, there
it was! I didn't notice it in the morning, let's see how it turns out.
At 05:00 PM the first dealers were packing their bags already so we went outside and left the show. As usual
we had an after show meeting, this time in a drinking hole in Bad Cannstadt, "Trattoria da Toni" where the
inkeeper Toni wanted to kill us with a giant Schnitzel!
We all have had a nice evening and finally when I came home I found something in the mail:
1 Mark 1874 D
Udo
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The toning on those 1/2's is something else.
And the giant schnitzel..........yummy.
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Don
Nice coins...nicer schnitzel...
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Great report and pics
Larry
Dig that last 1874 1 Mark. Looks nice and clean.
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Shep
Here's my favorite bit of the report, other than the coins:
<< <i>Later I heard Alfons' wife saying to another wife: "But that was the last coin for this year, for sure!" >>
Nice coins and images too......you were quite busy.......and the schnitzel,
Great coins and eats!!
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
Anyhow, looks like you got some nice, affordable goodies and had fun with friends
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Great report and the coins, man I likem all. I tried to pick a favorite, can't do it, they're all beautiful.
Schmaltz........haven't had any in 40 years, my mouth is watering as I type.
We have a Bier Garten here in town, stated by a German couple about 7 years ago, they sell over 300 world beers, the real stuff not the Heineken and Lowenbrau crap. But I had to give up the beer, quit about 2 1/2 years ago.....................................kept falling down.
BTW.....nice pics,
Herb
Schmaltz........haven't had any in 40 years, my mouth is watering as I type.
I get all the schmaltz I can handle by just glancing at one Thomas Kinkade painting.
Obscurum per obscurius
My OmniCoin Collection
My BankNoteBank Collection
Tom, formerly in Albuquerque, NM.
I also would like to attend a coin show in Europe one day , Salzburg or Brussels maybe.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
<< <i>Here's my favorite bit of the report, other than the coins:
<< Later I heard Alfons' wife saying to another wife: "But that was the last coin for this year, for sure!" >> >>
That's good, but the line that got me was
<< <i>We all agreed that it is not a good idea to sell Samurai swords to 18 year olds >>
I can't help but think there must be another story behind that one.
Here is a question about the 2 pfennig: why is your coin a 2 pfennig but some other coins from this period are spelled 2 Pfennige with an "e" at the end?
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Don
Thank You IMMENSELY for writing it. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
-Jeff
Second Nomination: Post of the Day
apply sticky labels directly to the coins.
I picked up a nice toner 1/2 Mark at the ANA Atlanta show will post in the next day or so.
Larry: You're welcome and we'll find them for sure.
Great report Udo, maybe we could invite Larry to Munich next year?
Dimitri: It would be fantastic to meet some of you there!
Surprisingly the annual show in Karlsruhe was better (only slightly so!).
spoon:I've made the same experience.
But I had to give up the beer, quit about 2 1/2 years ago.....................................kept falling down.
Herb:
I can't help but think there must be another story behind that one.
Conder:Yes there is. We've had some strange events here in Germany during the last months. In Stuttgart a homicidal maniac killed somebody with a Samurai sword, several others were disabled, it happened in a church.
Another insane guy killed one of his coworkers, three others were disabled, obviously because his drivers licence was seized the day before.
Just two examples, there are several stories where those swords were involved.
Here is a question about the 2 pfennig: why is your coin a 2 pfennig but some other coins from this period are spelled 2 Pfennige with an "e" at the end?
secondrepublic: As far as I know the first Danzig coin series were the only coins on which the plural of Pfennig was used. The singular "Pfennig" was used for the 1 Pfennig coin, but for the 2, 5 and 10 Pfennig coins the plural "Pfennige was used.
Thank you all, I'm glad you liked the report.
<< <i>The one you linked is from Danzig which used the Polish spelling of pfennig. At least that is my guess. >>
These were essentially German issues.... the Free City of Danzig (Freie Stadt Danzig) in the 20s and 30s was almost entirely populated by German speakers and their coinage was issued in the German language. (According to Wikipedia, in the pre-war census the population was 95% German (link).