1985 Topps Football live rip!

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 7:29AM

Ripping a wax box... anyone want to play along?

BigRedMachine · April 10, 2006 7:32AM

i'm always up for scans. never opened an '85 football box.

Is there a rookie in the set, or are we hoping for PSA 10 second years of Elway and Marino??

shawn

jimq112 · April 10, 2006 7:33AM

Warren Moon RC?

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 7:34AM

Warren Moon is the "big" rookie but I'm just loking for nice cards. This is my first go at a black border set.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 7:35AM

Pack one - slight edge damage but a nice Montana. I'll post scans after I bust a few packs.

jimq112 · April 10, 2006 7:37AM

How much did it set you back for a box of 85 fb?

BigRedMachine · April 10, 2006 7:38AM

Let's see a sharp Warren Moon rookie then

jimq112 · April 10, 2006 7:41AM

don't know about you guys but I'd be on pack 10 by now!

tennesseebanker · April 10, 2006 7:42AM

Good Luck Shambo ! Speaking from experience those are some tough cards, Hope you get a nice Marino and Elway ! Now on with the Rip !

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 7:53AM

Sorry all, the wife came home with a load of groceries for me to unload. Bad timing!

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 8:02AM

Pack two was rough. A Marino/Montana passing leaders had a nick on the left edge.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 8:04AM

$125 for the box from BBCE.

More to come!

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 8:17AM

Packs 3 and 5 had squat. Pack 4 had a nice Payton team leaders card.

These cards are tough! I've pulled several PSA 7/8 quality but that's about it.

On to more packs...

ArnyVee · April 10, 2006 8:19AM

I hope you pull a couple of PSA 9/10 quality Walter Payton cards in there! That's the big card...unless you pull a PSA 10 Moon rookie. Good luck!

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 8:23AM

Pack 6 had a nice Kellen Winslow and 1984 NFC Championship card.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 8:27AM

Pack 7 had a decent looking Howie Long.

Scans coming soon... maybe I can get some expert opinions.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 8:47AM

Here are a few scans. Opinions???

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 9:03AM

Pack 8 had a nice Dan Hampton and Russ Grimm.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 9:23AM

Packs 9 through 12 only yielded a nice Marcus Allen and an off center Payton.

More scans coming.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 9:28AM

More scans... A little smaller this time.

sixdart · April 10, 2006 9:29AM

The Kellen Winslow appears to have a shot at a 9 ... the others an 8. If there is any white showing on one or more corners - then the best possible grade is an 8. The black borders hide surface wrinkles/edge creases very well. That's what many people miss - especially on the Moon and Montana.

As a modern issue, this set is very underrated. The open (1) wax box test usually convinces people how tough this set truly is? In the last 6-8 months, wax boxes have increased from $80-85 to $120-125 and they yield little high-end cards. Rack pack boxes have jumped $100-125 each.

NewJerseyMeatHook · April 10, 2006 10:58AM

Just purchased the last 1985 topps football rack box from dave and adams.

shambo2000 · April 10, 2006 12:46PM

I've now opened 16 of the packs and pulled another Montana/Marino passing leaders that is submittable. Also pack 15 had a decent looking Henry Ellerd. Not real thrilled with the cards so far. The black borders are definately tough! I've got 20 packs left and trying to decide if I want to rip or sell them and move on to something else. Anybody want 20 packs?

tennesseebanker · April 10, 2006 12:55PM

Tough bordered, colored cards like the 85 football are always hard to pull in pristine condition from wax, Racks will usually yield most of the high end cards. Wax will usually have some very good white bordered card pulls though. I have always found from my personal experience that wax boxes tend to have a lot of chipping along the borders, and for cards like the 85 topps football that can be disasterous. That being said it looks like you got some nice looking cards there, looking forward for more box breaks in the future. Thanks for taking the time to share with us, I live for box breaks !

ColleSystem · April 10, 2006 11:29PM

Very good idea on the live pack opening thread. I just busted a few boxes of some other cards and wish I would have done the same kind of thread. Anyway, stick with the collecting of the 1985 set.

At least give a few rack packs a test.

-Scott

shagrotn77 · April 10, 2006 11:32PM

I'm interested in a PSA 9 '85 Ellard.

larryallen73 · April 11, 2006 12:38AM

You motivated me to open a box of '85 Topps football that has been sitting around for a couple of months. I got my wax box from bbcexchange. Overall I was pleased. Black borders weren't as tough as I feared. However, back card ruined by gum in every pack and often the 2nd card also. Bummer. My wife was sick last night so went to bed early, my kids were watching TV, so the night was set up for a box break. I never post scans but thought I would throw some in... but I got nothing great enough to warrant me scanning. At least not in the high level stars. I got 2 Moon's (one maybe a 9), 1 Payton (8?), 2 Marino's (8/9), etc.... Probably some 10s in the commons or semi-stars but I am not interested in investing the time or money, especially on such a tough set, to try to make a few bucks. It was fun. Sorry I don't have any scans to add. I actually might buy another box as I find that to be an attractive set.

shambo2000 · April 11, 2006 1:50AM

I finished ripping the box. No Marino's or Elway's! Two Moon rookies both o/c - t/b. Two Payton's (one submittable). Two Richard Dent rookies. One Henry Ellard. One Montana. Two Montana team leaders. Three Montana/Marino passing leaders. Two Bronco's team leaders (Elway). Three Bears team leaders (Payton). I have six John Riggins if anybody needs one.

Overall I'm not very happy with the coalation. I'm no where near a complete set. Anyway, I will send in several to be graded. I have a feeling I will get a lot of 8's.

If anyone needs cards for their raw set, send a PM.

I've got a couple of racks on the way, hopefully the cards will look better.

Shambo

tennesseebanker · April 11, 2006 1:58AM

I've got a couple of racks on the way, hopefully the cards will look better.

I think you will like the condition of the cards from the rack a lot better, Good luck with them and please post scans when they arrive !

ldferg · April 11, 2006 5:07AM

sham, you getting the racks from BBCE?

shambo2000 · April 11, 2006 5:20AM

LD - I won a couple on eBay as well as a couple of '78 wax packs.

ldferg · April 11, 2006 1:00PM

one of the problems i've ran across on the 85s is fading. the last 2 boxes i've purchased from BBCE have been that way. collation was about the same as what shamboo experienced.

was someone interested in a moon psa 9? if so, i have one for $45 DLVD. i can send cert or scan if interested.

i'm thinking of putting the set together in psa 8 and selling my 9s and rare 10s..i have several dupes in 8s and a few 9s.

sixdart · April 11, 2006 3:07PM

LD,

... and selling my 9s and rare 10s ...

- ldferg

... what can we do to persuade you?! With the prices you've gotten recently?!

Just kidding - you won't have a problem selling them. You'll have to hurry though, Jeremy should have a large '85 submission coming soon ... ?

1985 Topps Football 3 Box Factory Sealed Rack Case

ldferg · April 11, 2006 9:35PM

six,
i was looking at that rack case...just couldn't bring myself to $400 per rack box but it could pay off in the end. i'd like to be on the ripping end of those.

shagrotn77 · April 11, 2006 9:53PM

Ldferg,

Do you have an Ellard or Carl Banks 9?

Shag

ldferg · April 12, 2006 1:45AM

no ellard, i looked for you last night. i'll check on the banks. i think my banks is an 8.

will let you know.

sixdart · April 12, 2006 1:49AM

The Carl Banks RC has a population (2) PSA 9 and (7) PSA 8.

Axtell · April 12, 2006 2:22AM

Is the pop of checklists in 9 or 10 still zero?

gosteelers · April 12, 2006 3:13AM

The #395 CL has one 9, no 10's. The other two CL's have no 9's or 10's between them! Wow. Are the CL's that tough?

sixdart · April 12, 2006 6:52AM

The #394 Checklist is the toughest of the three. There are also a few teams that are more difficult than others such as the Packers and Vikings. I'd like to inspect a few uncut sheets and see the placement on these low population singles.

Axtell · April 12, 2006 3:35PM

<< <i>The #395 CL has one 9, no 10's. The other two CL's have no 9's or 10's between them! Wow. Are the CL's that tough? >>

I have to think that something is up with them, as checklists, while some are marked on, really shouldn't be that difficult to pull.

sixdart · April 13, 2006 3:58AM

Of all the '85 Topps football cards that I've opened, the checklists are consistently the worst conditioned - right behind the record breakers. Most average a PSA 7, and I'll get the occasional PSA 8 caliber card ... but then it's poorly centered.

ldferg · April 13, 2006 4:08AM

i'll ditto the record breakers...

jackstraw · April 13, 2006 10:44AM

I just went through my set maybe 60 nm mt and maybe 3 mint cards the rest are nm. Both my checklist have 3 needle sharp corners and perfect centering but the bottom left corner is dinged. Many of the cards have the same ding on the left corner(counting Banks,Munchek,Ellard,Fryer,Dent) so I am guessing it was the way it was stored? I thought 84's were just gross but man these things are tough. I do have an 81,82 and 83 set I am gonna look through later. All the big cards have been pulled and sold long ago.

1985 Topps Football live rip!

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